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[Mismatched]

The AFL would argue that their formula is statically based on market value

Yes, and either way Kurt was worth a hell of a lot more than a 2nd rounder.

 

[dazz69au]

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No one had any idea at the time what we'd receive for Kurt if he had gone to GC as an uncontracted signing. However it would have been either band 1 or band 2 compo, not band 4 as you're suggesting, which is either 1 or 2 first round draft picks. A second round pick was always going to be well below market value.

Yeah can't believe he was only rated a second rounder at the time

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

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No one had any idea at the time what we'd receive for Kurt if he had gone to GC as an uncontracted signing. However it would have been either band 1 or band 2 compo, not band 4 as you're suggesting, which is either 1 or 2 first round draft picks. A second round pick was always going to be well below market value.

Im happy to listen, what would be the basis of band 1 or 2

What band did we receive for Bock? Surely at the time Bock would of been assessed as a higher band than Tippett?

 

[fairfooty]

this makes a bit more sense
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/cornes-lets-all-just-calm-down/story-fn83zjcx-1226504241808

OK. This piece actually makes sense. In contract negotiations you often get to a point where you think you have a deal, all parties are about to sign and then one party (in this case Tippett) pulls out at the last minute and says 'no deal unless you give me more', knowing the other party because of corporate need or public pressure is over a barrel. And this would fit with Tippett's subsequent behaviour and mode of operation. So in hindsight, no surprise there. It's often at this point the mistake gets made. In this case the Crows simply should have said 'b*gger off, you clearly you don't want to be part of our club, so go home' and then got on the front foot informed the Board (high profile point appointment) and handled it with the members and the public. The screams of outrage would have died down and life would have continued as we know it

I think this is lesson leaned and we won't see a repeat of such poor decision-making again. However, depending on the AFL findings, Triggy and anyone else involved in this piece of stupidity should now be on notice. Any sniff of a repeat and they're gone. We're all allowed one mistake of this type - not two.

 

[Wood_Duck]

It will be if you let us know pm or otherwise

To the best of my knowledge, he was asked to bring his retirement forward. Not sure why, the timing might suggest there is some relationship to the current issue, but that would purely be a guess.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

So does anyone know if the AFC have top notch lawyers that can did us out of this??

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Yeah can't believe he was only rated a second rounder at the time

At that point of time he had only played 43 game

 

[footy_noob]

When he signed his new contract it definitely included a re-negotiated deal for 2010.

They essentially ripped up his old deal and the new 3 year deal including a re-negotiated deal for 2010 replaced it.

in the press release they called it an extension though.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

So does anyone know if the AFC have top notch lawyers that can did us out of this??

The cost of this just keeps accruing

 

[dazz69au]

OK. This piece actually makes sense. In contract negotiations you often get to a point where you think you have a deal, all parties are about to sign and then one party (in this case Tippett) pulls out and says 'no deal unless you give me more', knowing the other party because of corporate need or public pressure is over a barrel. It's often at this point the mistake gets made. In this case the Crows simply should have said 'b*gger off, you clearly you don't want to be part of our club, so go home' and then got on the front foot informed the Board (high profile point appointment) and handled it with the members and the public. The screams of outrage would have died down and life would have continued as we know it

I think this is lesson leaned and we won't see a repeat of such poor decision-making again. However, depending on the AFL findings, Triggy and anyone else involved in this piece of stupidity should now be on notice. Any sniff of a repeat and they're gone. We're all allowed one mistake of this type - not two.

I think Trigg's time is up no matter how this ends

 

[dazz69au]

At that point of time he had only played 43 game

yep and we made him our highest paid player! they must have been some good games

 

[spenze]

Yeah can't believe he was only rated a second rounder at the time

Exactly, you'd at least expect Jessie White to be tacked onto that compo deal

 

[MickyCrow]

Rooch missed the biggest story of the year because he was having a make-over......

SCARY!

But probably the best you could expect given the raw material...

Like Moe the bartender trying to smile..... (cold shiver)

 

[FR0GGY]

At that point of time he had only played 43 game

Davi$ had played only 9 wasn't it? We got a band 2 first round compo for him. Tippett had just kicked 50 odd goals.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

If I remember reading correctly, a second rounder would have been our compensation if Tips would have gone to the GC back in 2009, so that was what they considered "market value" as ill conceived as that is

This was touched on this morning by Rucci on 5aa. When we were negotiating the contract extension three years ago the compensation for a player like Tippett going to the Gold Coast was a second round draft pick. With the expectation that they would lose Gary Ablett, Geelong successfully lobbied the AFL to rethink the compensation picks and had Tippett gone to the Gold Coast at the end of 2010 we would have received a first round draft pick. This was one of the contentious facts between the AFC and the clubs trying to pick up Tippett this year.

I believe this was all outlined in some detail about 15,000 posts earlier in this thread

 

[Mismatched]

Im happy to listen, what would be the basis of band 1 or 2

What band did we receive for Bock? Surely at the time Bock would of been assessed as a higher band than Tippett?

Compensation was largely determined by the contact offered to Kurt by GC and his age. At the time he would have been 23~ and he would have been GC 2nd highest paid, likely on close to $1M. This on its own nets us at the very least Band 2 and depending on contract size, probably band 1. We got done over with Bock because of his age, he was 28-29, so the AFL argued that he wasn't worth as much. If a player was less than 3 from drafting, the their draft position was taken into account. The AFL also assessed a couple of other things, but they played only minor roles. It was essentially a function of age and contract size.

The compos finished up as:
Band 1: Ablett, Scully
Band 2: Davis, Ward
Band 3: Bock, Brown, Brennan, Rischatelli,
Band 4: Krakour, Reid (maybe band 3)
Band 5: Frasier

I've probably missed a few, but that's largely the gist of it.

 

[fairfooty]

I think Trigg's time is up no matter how this ends

Understand how you could say that. In the field I work in substantive and procedural fairness must apply. And in this case if it is applied justly and mitigation is considered and the court of public opinion doesn't prevail (it shouldn't IMO), then judging by the little we know, severe sanctions should apply but probably not termination IMO.

But happy to agree to disagree.

 

[arsene wenger1]

He retired which he announced 12 months prior

Didn't he get a role a Brisbane after leaving Adelaide

 

[Gary17]

Well there's 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back..listening to Rooch and Hutchy discussing the Tippett issue on 5AA..

Favourite quote: Hutchy - "It's a sensational..err..sensational..err..smoking gun that they've unveiled.."

Insight. Analysis. Value. It had it all.

I just hope I get invited to the next unveiling of a smoking gun.

Holy Mary mother of God..

 

[Gary17]

Didn't he get a role a Brisbane after leaving Adelaide

They engaged him as a consultant I believe to review their football operations to find ways to help Vossy. Seems to have worked to some extent.

 

[King Elvis]

Reports we've lost all picks this year?

Throw in the two first rounders we SHOULD HAVE got for Tippett, and Trigg can **** off.

If that sanction is true, he needs to resign, immediately.

 

[Hank93]

At that point of time he had only played 43 game

Davis 18 games for Adelaide = 1st round compensation pick following the clubs 1st selection in draft
Scully 31 games for Melbourne = 2 1st round compensation picks, one following the clubs 1st pick, the 2nd in the middle of the 1st round.
Ward 60 games for Bulldogs = 1st round compensation pick following the clubs 1st selection in draft

Tippo would have warranted at least a 1st round pick if he had gone to the suns, I have no doubt about this. Age was a factor in the compensation, and Tippett only being 22 at the time would have worked in our favour.

 

[Mismatched]

This was touched on this morning by Rucci on 5aa. When we were negotiating the contract extension three years ago the compensation for a player like Tippett going to the Gold Coast was a second round draft pick. With the expectation that they would lose Gary Ablett, Geelong successfully lobbied the AFL to rethink the compensation picks and had Tippett gone to the Gold Coast at the end of 2010 we would have received a first round draft pick. This was one of the contentious facts between the AFC and the clubs trying to pick up Tippett this year.

I believe this was all outlined in some detail about 15,000 posts earlier in this thread

The AFL hadn't actually outlined what the compensation was to be that early in the picture, we had no idea what we were going to get which why everyone was shitting their pants and there was such pressure on the AFC to sign him. No one trusted the AFL. Hell the AFL were still changing their mind regarding compo about a month before it was all announced. You are right that Geelong lobbied the AFL, but that was after the bands were released much later in the picture, with band 1 initially being simply a first round draft pick. Geelong believed that there should be a higher band for if they were to lose Ablett, as clearly the initial compo wasn't adequate.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Reports we've lost all picks this year?

Throw in the two first rounders we SHOULD HAVE got for Tippett, and Trigg can **** off.

If that sanction is true, he needs to resign, immediately.

Agree

Thank Christ we got Crouch last year

If true can we still go into the PSD, or are we likely to fill final spots with Rookie upgrades?

 

[Mismatched]

Davis 18 games for Adelaide = 1st round compensation pick following the clubs 1st selection in draft
Scully 31 games for Melbourne = 2 1st round compensation picks, one following the clubs 1st pick, the 2nd in the middle of the 1st round.
Ward 60 games for Bulldogs = 1st round compensation pick following the clubs 1st selection in draft

Tippo would have warranted at least a 1st round pick if he had gone to the suns, I have no doubt about this. Age was a factor in the compensation, and Tippett only being 22 at the time would have worked in our favour.

Games played had nothing, or very little, to do with it, it was contract size and length, plus player age. The theory being you get a hell of a lot more service from someone who's 20, than someone who's 30, hence they're worth more.