Analysis TOG%

[DarkSaint]

Decided to compare some of the elite players in the comp to our very own when it comes to how much time they spend on the ground and some of the stats are a little surprising.

I've had a look at top 3 midfielders from a few clubs (finals contention with elite mids) that have strong midfields to compare against our very own when it comes to TOG%:

Saints
Ross 83%
Newnes 81%
Steven 79%

Eagles
Gaff 89%
Priddis 82%
Shuey 81%

Dogs
Bont 86%
Macrae 86%
Hunter 85%

Swans
Kennedy 87%
Parker 86%
Hannebery 82%

Gws
Scully 92%
Ward 85%
Kelly 85%

Cats
Danger 85%
Duncan 80%
Selwood 77% (being knocked in the first few mins may have skewed this)

With the GWS guys, ive only selected the players that have played most of the season rather than ones that have been in and out.

It's interesting to see that our teams best mids are spending the least amount of time on the ground compared to all these clubs. Are they simply not fit enough?? are we rotating them too much??

 

[Feerits Elf]

Why not include the stats for all clubs so we can see how the Saints rate across the league as opposed to how they rate against "a few clubs (finals contention with elite mids)"? Theoretically 17 clubs can still make finals and "elite mid" is subjective.

 

[George]

Not enough depth.

 

[Determinant]

Scully is a freak and a statistical outlier, was at 98% until playing reduced time coming back from injury.

The sample is small but taking him out there doesn't appear to be a huge variance in what you've listed?

 

[DarkSaint]

Why not include the stats for all clubs so we can see how the Saints rate across the league as opposed to how they rate against "a few clubs (finals contention with elite mids)"? Theoretically 17 clubs can still make finals and "elite mid" is subjective.

Just picked the clubs that are above us on the ladder, not really interested in the ones below because obviously they are doing something wrong. We cant seem to win against the top sides and that's why i used them as comparison.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Just picked the clubs that are above us on the ladder, not really interested in the ones below because obviously they are doing something wrong.

But the Dogs and Swans are below us on the ladder

And you've omitted to include Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Richmond who are above

 

[DarkSaint]

But the Dogs and Swans are below us on the ladder

And you've omitted to include Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Richmond who are above

Those clubs have been above us for the past few years and im confident that they will end up finishing above us by the end of the season.

Didn't include all as i was time poor and the best mids in the league dont really come from those clubs besides Martin 86% tog.

It's not the best sample but you can clearly see that our best midfielder is Steven spends on average 5-10% less time on the field compared to others.

What would be interesting is if we there was a stat when the best players actually come off the ground and how many times they do interchange and at what time in quarters.

 

[plugger66]

Those clubs have been above us for the past few years and im confident that they will end up finishing above us by the end of the season.

Didn't include all as i was time poor and the best mids in the league dont really come from those clubs besides Martin 86% tog.

It's not the best sample but you can clearly see that our best midfielder is Steven spends on average 5-10% less time on the field compared to others.

What would be interesting is if we there was a stat when the best players actually come off the ground and how many times they do interchange and at what time in quarters.

Steven plays his best footy that way. The reason for the others is simple. We have an average midfield so we rotate more. If we had more stars they would play more and the other reason and actually probably the major one is we have mids who struggle to play in another position. That's why I laugh when people want even more mids to go through the centre. We would have guys only 60% of game time.

 

[DarkSaint]

Scully is a freak and a statistical outlier, was at 98% until playing reduced time coming back from injury.

The sample is small but taking him out there doesn't appear to be a huge variance in what you've listed?

Yes Scully is a freak and i was going to use Cognilio, but he has been injured so i threw him in.

There is not much, but it still has a bit of merit that compared to the above teams our best players are on the ground less. for example Steven plays around 10 minutes less a game over someone like Josh Kennedy. That's almost half a quarter and with him being our best mid, it would hurt us in some way shape or form.

 

[Determinant]

Yes Scully is a freak and i was going to use Cognilio, but he has been injured so i threw him in.

There is not much, but it still has a bit of merit that compared to the above teams our best players are on the ground less. for example Steven plays around 10 minutes less a game over someone like Josh Kennedy. That's almost half a quarter and with him being our best mid, it would hurt us in some way shape or form.

I don't believe you can read anything at all into the stat, especially with regard to fitness or relative values.
I am more familiar with the stats of the current day Giants than Saints so will use that example.

Some players run hard and impact all day, others are burst/power players, absent from your list (possibly because he didn't help your arguement?) was Dylan Shiel.
Dylan is an impact player, he averages around 75% or less of TOG per game, Dylan was at 80% against the Lions, well above his average yet lower than all non Saints you listed bar Selwood with an asterix. He was dominant and had 38 possessions.
Against the Blues he was 70% TOG and probably our best (most influential) mid.

Ultimately I think you are looking for dragons in a closet full of brooms.

 

[DarkSaint]

I don't believe you can read anything at all into the stat, especially with regard to fitness or relative values.
I am more familiar with the stats of the current day Giants than Saints so will use that example.

Some players run hard and impact all day, others are burst/power players, absent from your list (possibly because he didn't help your arguement?) was Dylan Shiel.
Dylan is an impact player, he averages around 75% or less of TOG per game, Dylan was at 80% against the Lions, well above his average yet lower than all non Saints you listed bar Selwood with an asterix. He was dominant and had 38 possessions.
Against the Blues he was 70% TOG and probably our best (most influential) mid.

Ultimately I think you are looking for dragons in a closet full of brooms.

I understand that some players are impact players, but they are not usually your best players. Shiel may be one of yours which is fair enough, and it looks as though Steven may be ours but a quick flick showed that last year he had 82% which is higher than this year.

For us Jack Steven has been well down on his current form and this probably has something to do with it (fitness? Injury?).

I'm not looking for Dragons because everyone knows the more your best players are on the park the more chance you have of winning. We don't bat deep like the giants do(so the load is spread over a number of equal as good players), so we need to squeeze every minute out of Steven/Ross because they our best players in the centre by far.

 

[sainterryan]

Why is tog relevant? For every extra minute one of those is on the ground another players tog is reduced. Can only have 18at a time! Which players are that irrelevant that you want our midfielders to take time off. Prob just means we manage game time better than others. Players are fresher going onto the ground....etc

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Its interesting to look at.
Round 2 , Steven got 20 touches with 86% TOG.
The week after he got 30 touches with 78% TOG.
Ross had 39 touches against Adelaide 81% TOG.

StKilda have a "high pressure" game plan. It sure as hell burns energy quicker than a kick to kick "tempo control" plan.