Trade Richo ?

[TigerGar]

Should Richmond consider trading Richo if his management can't come to terms with the Club? He has been our leading goalkicker, best pack mark, and a match winner.
However, being a confidence player, his poor first quarters too often lead to poor games. Opposition teams can "talk" him off his game, as they know it can work.

Injuries have robbed Richo of around two seasons of footy. His strength is his ability to fly in packs to take marks, and is also his weakness, as his leg and ankle injuries are evidence to this.

The talk to play Richo as a defender, ruckman or winger are a waste of time. He is an instinct player who just attacks the ball, and doesn't have a feel for where other players are, and therefore, can only be played as a forward. This limits the options for his versatility or use.

He is more an athelete than a thinking footballer. Good smart players today are expected to think their way through a game, have second and third efforts and to make space for others. As an instinct player, he struggles with these strategies.

Richo is still hot property. Another season of average form due to more injuries have lessened his value to us. A trade would give us many options, frees up money to get new talent and retain required players like Ottens. Game plan and forward set up will be less predictable.

He is the heart of the Tiges, and must stay with us at an affordable price. To loose him would be a tragedy, especially to those theiving Fagpies sniffing around him.

 

[TigerGar]

Trade Richo

“We have been negotiating for more than six months or so and we’re very confident we will resolve it.”

“There’s a bit of argy-bargy that goes on, but I would be staggered if Matthew wasn’t playing for us next season. There’s no way known Richo wants to leave Richmond,” Brayshaw said.

“I’m not losing any sleep over it because I’m very confident of the outcome.”
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Looks good for him to stay

 

[Tigerbob]

No way in hell should we trade Richo!!

I don't care what anyone says, he is still our number 1 player.

When he plays the whole side plays better, including Ottens, yes he can frustrate but he works god damn hard and as you said, he is not only our, but the leagues top mark getter.

If he stoped getting injured (which ain't his fault) he would be the best forward in the game! His time will come, he is a 27 year old in a 23 year olds body when fit!!

 

[diggler]

Firstly i love Richo. But, from a cold hard business perspective, he is 28 and the type of game he plays, he has peaked and is on a slow downward spiral. He is unlikely to reach his full potential now. Weve had him in his prime and we have failed to be a successful club. What does that tell you?
I say trade him, but only if we can get some hard at it midfielders in exchange/and or low draft picks.
This will never happen though, because Frawley is in to all that emotion, bleed for the club crap, that will see us being mediocre for awhile yet.

 

[TheFoxhat]

NO!!!!!!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by diggler
Firstly i love Richo. But, from a cold hard business perspective, he is 28 and the type of game he plays, he has peaked and is on a slow downward spiral. He is unlikely to reach his full potential now. Weve had him in his prime and we have failed to be a successful club. What does that tell you?
I say trade him, but only if we can get some hard at it midfielders in exchange/and or low draft picks.
This will never happen though, because Frawley is in to all that emotion, bleed for the club crap, that will see us being mediocre for awhile yet.

diggler ol mate.how on earth can a player be on a downward spiral when he is only 28 and missed a fair bit of game time due to injurys.
you want to get rid of one of our strengths in otto and richo in tandem for midfeilders?
richo and otto together in tadem on the fwd line not only is a tough assignment for the opposition but the likes of krakour,houlihan,rodan would have a field day.
maybe and just maybe i.ll except a richo/josh fraser trade but that is as likely as you diggler saying something positive.
as for the emotion stuff that frawley brings out at least he takes the blame and is man enough to admit it.thats why the players respect him.id rather have the players play for the coach than in spite of.
our game plan is pretty simple just like norths was a few years ago. kick it long.you cant seem to realise diggler with richo,holland and stafford out our side was so unbalanced it wasnt funny.instead you attack danny without even looking att he bigger piture.
just for interest diggler who would you replace frawley with?
cheers!

 

[diggler]

sorry TOO, I just see Richo as to injury prone. he has had his best pre season ever and look were that got him. I just cant see him fulfilling his true potential, only for the fact his body is starting to let him down. thats all. if he was fit and firing every week, i wouldnt even consider trading him. but sadly, this is becoming rare.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by diggler
sorry TOO, I just see Richo as to injury prone. he has had his best pre season ever and look were that got him. I just cant see him fulfilling his true potential, only for the fact his body is starting to let him down. thats all. if he was fit and firing every week, i wouldnt even consider trading him. but sadly, this is becoming rare.

granted he is injury prone.however like some experts have suggested his problem maybe the way he goes about playing the game.he runs around like there is no tomorrow thus the hammy and bone injuries.
there have been suggestions of playing in the backline to "calm" him down however surely there must be a better way to keep him up fwd along side otto while at the sametime play within himself.
maybe otto to be the chief leader while richo stalks around the last line.
cheers!

 

[CJH]

No, I wouldn't. This would be akin to selling our soul. Essendon did it with Salmon and felt so guilty about it that they drafted him back.

Richo taking a $200,000 cut on his next contract is really just reflecting reality! This still means that he will be on 450 - 500,000 per year. Not bad money if you can get it.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

$$$

Yes CJH.. even DON ARGUS would be hard to match those big $$$$.. Well maybe not..

 

[diggler]

what if Richo doesnt accept a pay cut. Will Brayshaw cave in, like he did with Gaspar's contract and make a ridiculous 5 year term. If his manager makes big demands, I believe our club should trade him and get anything we can for him. If not, you will find that our club will not be able to trade freely for the next 3 years, due to salary cap restriction.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by diggler
what if Richo doesnt accept a pay cut. Will Brayshaw cave in, like he did with Gaspar's contract and make a ridiculous 5 year term. If his manager makes big demands, I believe our club should trade him and get anything we can for him. If not, you will find that our club will not be able to trade freely for the next 3 years, due to salary cap restriction.

2 years ago richo was one of the main reasons behind keeping otto at the club.the reasoning was he saw both of them being a force in the afl.2yrs on i would suggest otto return the favour[not that i fear richo would leave anyway. he is richmond thru and thru].
its typical of nixon to rant and rave however like i have said in the past we will look after richo even after football and if richo takes a good hard look at the past he will realise he owes the club something.

fair enough the long term conatracts can blow up in our faces which it has with daffy,knights and campbell. however why wouldnt you try and tie up players like richo,otto and gasper on long term contracts? its not as if they are going to suddenly lose their talent.
cheers!

 

[WhiteLineFever]

Richo should stay at Richmond and take the paycut. If he stays on the park , avoids injury, and has the season we all know he could have, Richmond will find ways of rewarding him over and above the 200K drop in pay. Call it performance based if you like. Cannot afford to pay Richo the most but not having him out on the field playing.

 

[RichmondTiger5]

NO WAY should Richo be traded!!!! he is one of our best players and if he did get traded we would lose members,i agree with TigerGar he is the heart of the Tigers anyway I dout we will trade him.

 

[CJH]

Re: $$$

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Yes CJH.. even DON ARGUS would be hard to match those big $$$$.. Well maybe not..

Ha! Maybe we should do an Essendon and draft Don Argus back! Or even Nobby Clarke! Things do appear to have gone pear-shaped since Frank took over the steering wheel!

(BTW, I don't think any of these 3 would get out of bed for $500K p.a.!)

 

[Top ofthe Range]

Re: Re: $$$

Originally posted by CJH


Ha! Maybe we should do an Essendon and draft Don Argus back! Or even Nobby Clarke! Things do appear to have gone pear-shaped since Frank took over the steering wheel!

(BTW, I don't think any of these 3 would get out of bed for $500K p.a.!)

What part of the NAB to you work for?

 

[dogboy23]

I dont think you should trade Richo he is the leading contested marker in the league and a great player.Besides you wouldnt get as much as you think you would because the risks are to great for another team to take him with his injury history.For example what would you ask for off A Collingwood(not that I think the rumours have any credibilty) if a trade had to be done?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by dogboy23
I dont think you should trade Richo he is the leading contested marker in the league and a great player.Besides you wouldnt get as much as you think you would because the risks are to great for another team to take him with his injury history.For example what would you ask for off A Collingwood(not that I think the rumours have any credibilty) if a trade had to be done?

if richo was put on the market by the tigers[it wont happen] and all sides were ready to talk turkey id go like this.
RICHO TOO:
ADELAIDE-
johnson and 2nd rnd pick

BRISBANE-
bradshaw and 1st rnd pick

CARLTON-
livingston and 1st rnd pick

COLLINGWOOD-
cloke and 1st rnd pick[then we have inside running for hs brother]

ESSENDON-
hille and 1st rnd pick

FREMANTLE-
pavlich and 2nd rnd pick

GEELONG-
scarlett and 1st rnd pick

HAWTHORN-
thompson and 2nd rnd pick

MELBOURNE-
powell and 1st rnd pick

NORTH-
pickett and 2nd rnd pick

SYDNEY-
goodes and 1st rnd pick

STKILDA-
everrit.

WESTERN BULLDOGS-
hahn and 1st rnd pick

WEST COAST-
wirrapunda and 2nd rnd pick.


of the wish list the cloke one appeals to me.not only do we get cloke but his 2 brothers would almost be a shoe in to come to tigerland with cameron a very likely type.

cheers!

 

[CJH]

Re: Re: Re: $$$

Originally posted by Top ofthe Range


What part of the NAB to you work for?

Wholesale Technology Services (the Technology arm of Wholesale Financial Services)

 

[Dean3]

Richo

t.o.o - Hahn?, Johnson?, Powell?, Goodes?, Livingston? - no thanks!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Re: Richo

Originally posted by Dean3
t.o.o - Hahn?, Johnson?, Powell?, Goodes?, Livingston? - no thanks!

more to do with what clubs can offer us player wise.
i could say regarding these sides that they could give us the following players instead of what i have written.
hahn-grant
johnson-mcleod
powell-white
goodes-hall
livingston-whitnall.
somehow i dont thing they would come to the party with those
cheers!

 

[dogboy23]

Re: Re: Richo

Originally posted by tiger of old

more to do with what clubs can offer us player wise.
i could say regarding these sides that they could give us the following players instead of what i have written.
hahn-grant
johnson-mcleod
powell-white
goodes-hall
livingston-whitnall.
somehow i dont thing they would come to the party with those
cheers!

Exactly its to big a risk.You could trade for a low draft pick and then on trade that to a team for the player you want.Because of Richos injury history a draft pick for a team is almost a lower risk.I am sure the doggies would take your offer to us though I think you will find a few clubs having a sniff around Norths Shannon Grant to this trade period.He will be under the microscope for a few misdemeanours.

 

[CJH]

I've mentioned this before, I'll mention it again.

We are better served by trying to get early draft picks and developing talented kids. It is very rare that a club lets go of a player that it want's to keep - most of the best players in the comp are those that were taken young and developed by that club.

With the possible exception of a few, rare homecomings (Jarman to Adelaide) the elite players do not change clubs.

This is what we must work at - develop our own elite players, as many as possible. And for God's sake, do not ever trade elite players from some B-Grade hacks.

This is why Carlton are currently on the bottom of the ladder. Failing to replace their champions (ie Silvagni) with future champions. Now they are left with a team of scrubbers.

 

[CJH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: $$$

Originally posted by Top ofthe Range
What part of the NAB to you work for?

Originally posted by CJH


Wholesale Technology Services (the Technology arm of Wholesale Financial Services)

Ha! Being moderator gives me special priveliges like being able to look at IP addresses and email addys!

I took a look at yours and note that your work in the same department as me (admittedly a large department).

In fact, I saw your name and it is familiar! I've been here in Treasury for 13 years now and recognise quite a few people in passing - yourself included!

Ha, now it is going to bug you trying to work out who I am!

 

[Tigerheart]

Explain to me again :

what's the difference between trading Richo for hacks, and :
trading our top draft picks for hacks...a fine richmond tradition.

I'd name one but then i'd have to name them all....and that's more time than i've got.