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Wahooti Fandango said:
There are officials in other sports who are not full time that make far fewer errors than those in footy. However, I agree with the general gist of ant's post.
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AFL would have to be one of the hardest games in the world to umpire, so I don't think it's comparable.

Richie_P said:
With all due respect, it's Wednesday and don't you guys have a game coming up againist the Pies to worry about?
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Nope. Not playing for a while yet, still on this one.
 

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I think it'd be worthwhile seeing what'd happen by settling the umpires as a group. Would they end up being more consistent amongst themselves?

What kills you is when one umpire is paying a certain rule one way and another is being more or less lenient at the same time (differences week-to-week are manageable).You'll get the call one way up one end but not down the other. I think it'd be worthwhile seeing if it worked.
 
Mumbo Jumbo said:
Oh you mean this bit where he gets his right fist to it?

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Or do you mean this bit where Carrazzo lands in his back?

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Sure do. Here's Carrazzo's elbow touching Jetta's chin, just before it coathangers him.

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And for the record, I don't want to go on about this forever. But hey, it's only Tuesday after a Blues game. Can't expect me to be calmed down yet :p
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So somehow Carazzo has managed to coathanger him with his arm across his chest and under his armpit? Still photo images are meaningless. If you watch teh footage you can clearly see that Carazzo has his arm across Jetta's chest. It isnt moving. So the only way the arm can appear up around his throat in the 2nd photo if because Jetta dropped his knees and tried to milk it. Video footage puts this to bed pretty quickly
 
Blueboys11 said:
So somehow Carazzo has managed to coathanger him with his arm across his chest and under his armpit? Still photo images are meaningless. If you watch teh footage you can clearly see that Carazzo has his arm across Jetta's chest. It isnt moving. So the only way the arm can appear up around his throat in the 2nd photo if because Jetta dropped his knees and tried to milk it. Video footage puts this to bed pretty quickly
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Have you considered that because Jetta was running faster than Carrazzo, as his legs moved forward and the chin got caught on the elbow, it slipped high and clotheslined him?

I'm not trying to be silly, but that's exactly how I see it when I watch it. It's like the tackle that accidentally slips high when a player runs through it. The onus is on the tackler to prevent it from slipping high, not on the player to stay upright, as unfair as that may seem.
 
Spot on Ant. It's an easy out to abuse the umps. Wander down to any local junior match and see what the flow on effect is. Very ****ing Ugly.
 

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Back in high school I used to do boundary umpiring for my next door neighbours under 15's team. Can remember one mistake that I made - 4th quarter, called out on the full, when it was clearly not - but I was completely knackered by that stage of the game and simply did the wrong arm signal. Fortunately the field umpire was close enough to overrule it, so no harm done.

Which brings me to my point - there is more than one umpire out there. Surely if one of them makes a bad call, one of the other umpires can over-rule it if its blatantly wrong? And surely there are enough umpires out there to not miss anything that goes on?

And finally, what the AFL umpires cop from fans is nothing compared to what I copped from the feral Frankston North parents that day...
 
Mumbo Jumbo said:
Have you considered that because Jetta was running faster than Carrazzo, as his legs moved forward and the chin got caught on the elbow, it slipped high and clotheslined him?

I'm not trying to be silly, but that's exactly how I see it when I watch it. It's like the tackle that accidentally slips high when a player runs through it. The onus is on the tackler to prevent it from slipping high, not on the player to stay upright, as unfair as that may seem.
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Nope, havnt considered that, cause thats not what happened... Im worried you cant spot teh difference between someone milking a free, and genuine high contact..

Anyway...

Do you have a still image of Bryce Gibbs getting pinned for holding the ball in the 3rd 1/4, 40 meters out directly in front with the Essendon tacklers arm clearly around his neck?? If my recollection is right if Gibbs had got the free and goaled, would of given the Blues a 14 point buffer and could of killed off the contest...

And with your other still image, unless Monfries has the ability to handball the ball with the back of his fist, then thst is clearly a throw as he has missed the ball and used the forward momentum of his hands to spill the ball forwards.

This could go on forever...lol
 
The AFL should ask themselves what they can do to make life easier for the umps on the field.

I think there are a few simple things that can be done to help. It won't fix everything but would hopefully make for a little more consistency
  1. Stop changing interpretations of rules from year to year. Consistent interpretation will allow the umpires to become accustomed to the rules and the supporters will know what they are seeing.
  2. Stop making the umpires focus on different rules that are the topic of the week due to media beat ups. Rules are rules, they are all equally important. For example a push in the back should not receive higher focus than holding the man call.
  3. Stop introducing more rules for the sake of it. With the continual introduction of more rules we are heading towards more and more over officiating.
Umps have a prick of a job, codus for those with the knackers to take it on. We don't have to like them but surely we must respect them. Without them we go back to captains making the calls and isn't that the reason umpires were introduced in the first place?
 
ant555 said:
The real problem is consistent decisions and that is nearly impossible as the umpires are individuals and see things slightly different the same as supporters do.

Now i believe the standard of umpiring has been below what it should be for some time but instead of all the whinging and name calling i like to look at it a different way.
If you are not going to have full time umpires that are well paid then you are not going to have the best umpiring available. The umpires are like players in that they are all at different levels and not all of them are A grade. This will mean that there simply has to be mistakes and the umpiring department heads will have to put a degree of spin on some decisions.

The other thing with the umpires is do they as individuals make more mistakes on the field than the players ? Angus Monfries does not score in the last quarter from 35 out and we do not yell out Monfries you bloody sub human maggot, get off the bloody ground you useless terd yet a push in the back decision that goes in what we feel the wrong way results in mega agro.

Now i do have a bit of an different motive here and that is the flow on effect this umpire bashing has to local footy. Umpires become a sub species and those of us involved in local footy have to cop umpires with ordinary ability simply because some of the best young umpires get abused until they give it away or they simply give up before it starts.
It is annoying because it is a culture thing, we seem to hold them to some sort of higher standard than the players or even our selves and i can tell you now i have made many mistakes over the journey in all areas and i would not like to be berated for even 50% of them.

I think people need to take a good hard look at themselves. The game can not be played without umpires, they are only human and they work other jobs as well so chances are there will be mistakes and that will effect games but so do other factors like players missing goals or not sticking to game plans etc.
You will find more players mistakes in a game than you will umpire mistakes.
You have to let it go. Sure at the game you can yell out "come on up that was not a bloody free" but the continual use of maggot or dog needs to be removed from the game.

The AFL should have a panel of 24 professional umpires that are well paid and full time and they need to put more money into keeping the good umpires in the game at local level.
For the second to happen we have to also rid the game of the current "umpire bashing" that seems to be a sport for some people.
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agree with parts of this and i have no issue with mistakes being made - they are only human. however when there is a great difference in the balance of mistakes i believe it makes umpires intentions questionable. By my count there were 19 mistakes in the Ess v Car match. I can live with a ratio between 40-60% either side but outside of this the ratio of mistakes is severely favouring another team. In this game Essendon were on the bad side of the mistakes copping 68% - this isn't too bad comparing to the Sydney match where it was over 80% but still makes you wonder.

AFL umpires should be held more accountable - not publicly as that would encourage criticism etc but week after week you see guys like Nicholls continually umpiring despite poor performances. Like players who make a lot of mistakes they should be dropped for poor form but this does not happen often enough under Jeff Gieschen.
 

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Blueboys11 said:
Nope, havnt considered that, cause thats not what happened... Im worried you cant spot teh difference between someone milking a free, and genuine high contact..
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I'm worried you can't see at all.

Blueboys11 said:
Anyway...

Do you have a still image of Bryce Gibbs getting pinned for holding the ball in the 3rd 1/4, 40 meters out directly in front with the Essendon tacklers arm clearly around his neck?? If my recollection is right if Gibbs had got the free and goaled, would of given the Blues a 14 point buffer and could of killed off the contest...
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What am I, your personal image-for-argument creator?

Blueboys11 said:
And with your other still image, unless Monfries has the ability to handball the ball with the back of his fist, then thst is clearly a throw as he has missed the ball and used the forward momentum of his hands to spill the ball forwards.
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He only needs to show an attempt if there's no prior. Blues were lucky not to give away a set shot for Carrazzo landing in his back.

Blueboys11 said:
This could go on forever...lol
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I hope it does. Cause, you know, not like I have work to do or anything :p.
 
Umpires affecting the outcome of games.....

.......is getting out of control.

I'm one that's never had too much to say about umpires but this season, for the first time, I can't help but to get stuck into them.

The umpiring tonight was an absolute disgrace and I would be ropable if I was an Adelaide supporter. They got murdered in the last qtr.

Some of the decisions were bewildering at best and the non decisions against Carlton even worse.

How many times are they going to rob a team of victory this season before something gets done about it?
 
Re: Umpires affecting the outcome of games.....

What was funniest were the Carlton ferals jumping and down every time Adelaide got a free, no matter how obvious it was. Morons.

Carlton should be 2-3.
 
Re: Umpires affecting the outcome of games.....

22-14 Carlton's way. I was ropeable for Adelaide tonight and let's be honest, the Suns got a very nice run with the umps in the last quarter as well.
 
Re: Umpires affecting the outcome of games.....

Tippett pushes the ball out in front, gets grabbed, slung and slammed into the ground, ball is nowhere to be seen.

Carlton take it down and kick the winning goal.
 

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