Umpiring - please explain

[Stamos]

It's not so much the frees that were paid to Norf that was the problem, it was that the equivalents that were not paid to Carlton.
It only went one way, especially within forward 50.

 

[Chadwiko]

It's not so much the frees that were paid to Norf that was the problem, it was that the equivalents that were not paid to Carlton.
It only went one way, especially within forward 50.

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here, btu the frees paid in our forward 50 were to our tall Key Forwards.

With Walker gone early tonight, you didn't have any tall Key Forwards.

That's why you didn't get those frees.

 

[TNBT]

You guys were sloppy tonight, and gave away the free kicks. Show me video evidence of a free kick that got paid to us that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll shut up.

The game is soft these days. I'll agree with you 100% there. But I cannot recall an umpiring decision that went our way that wasn't there.

Judd has been reported.

The sad part is that you seem to actually believe that. Whatever mate, I've heard of biased and one-eyed supporters, but you sir take the cake. Either way, I'm sick of this discussion. The vast majority of the Blues fans, as well as fans from other teams, can all see how incredibly one-sided the umpires were, and it seems to be only North supporters and one biased Collingwood fan who are actually smoking enough crack to try and claim the calls were fair while keeping a straight face. Honestly, I can handle a fair loss. I don't like it, but I can handle it. Take a look at the second loss to Collingwood last season -- the umpires were quite fair and we were just out-played. I don't like when that happens, but I suck it up and move on. It's games where, whether we played well or not, we clearly were never going to be allowed to win that game, that piss me off this much. I honestly think if I sit here and read any more dribble from the handful or lunatics I may actually put my fist through the wall, and seeing as how I can't really afford to get the hole repaired tomorrow, I think it's best that I just ignore this thread.

 

[Chadwiko]

As I said, in plain english, and it wasn't a troll; show me just one simple video example of a free kick paid to North Melbourne in our forward 50 that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll concede my entire argument.

Just one.

 

[carlton2dabone]

The first 50 metre penalty in the first 30 seconds was rubbish - however I think that is a far as it goes in terms of Carlton getting screwed -

How was that North player who was tackled in the 3rd quarter on the defensive 50 line and handballs it away, but ump calls holding the ball? - Umpires are going to make, and have always made, bad decisions (hey, just like players do) - By complaining too much about the umpires you are ignoring the underlying problems with Carlton's game plan - The umpires did not lose this game for Carlton; bad umpiring decisions are not worth 10 goals.

You say our gameplan is shit, but fact is that we won contested possies, uncontested possies, clearances, matched them on inside 50's and had 26 scoring shots.

So I would say we won in general play, but lost on scoreboard partly because 7-9 gifted frees to Norf that resulted in goals for them.

How can Norf get 3 50m penalties that result in goals, yet we dont get a single one even when Norf players kick the ball away and not even a single free in our forward line even though we had the same amount of inside 50's as them.

My problem is that the umps are so quick to blow the whistle, I would rather the let play go on instead of blowing the whistle on every 50/50 situation, and only pay frees for obvious infringements like clear hands in the back, clear HTB, clear high tackles, etc.

 

[NumberEight]

we lost by 10 goals. It wasnt the umps.

 

[TNBT]

As I said, in plain english, and it wasn't a troll; show me just one simple video example of a free kick paid to North Melbourne in our forward 50 that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll concede my entire argument.

Just one.

If I had the time and the inclination, as well as a video of the game on my computer and I knew how to post it, then I would. If you want to a lot of frees paid to North which plain and simply were manufactured and were not there, by ANY letter of ANY law, then just re-watch the entire game. The whole game was littered with them. However, as I mentioned before, there are one-eyed fans and then there are clearly delusionally biased fans. You seem to fit into the latter category, so even if I could show you each bullsh*t decision one by one, the sad thing is I doubt you would even acknowledge it. Seriously, a North player could have pulled out a gun and executed a Carlton player on the field, with the umpire standing 1 meter away and looking right at him, and it would probably still have been a free to North against the Carlton player for getting brain fragments on the North players shoes. If the guys shoes were particularly pretty or fancy, then it may have even been a 5o meter penalty as well.

 

[JustaBattler]

As I said, in plain english, and it wasn't a troll; show me just one simple video example of a free kick paid to North Melbourne in our forward 50 that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll concede my entire argument.

Just one.

I can show you 10 free that should have been paid and weren't - all Carlton's way boofhead. No wpizz orf back to your forum and enjoy your 'win' Against 19 players - IDJOT

 

[SuperSub17]

The sad part is that you seem to actually believe that. Whatever mate, I've heard of biased and one-eyed supporters, but you sir take the cake. Either way, I'm sick of this discussion. The vast majority of the Blues fans, as well as fans from other teams, can all see how incredibly one-sided the umpires were, and it seems to be only North supporters and one biased Collingwood fan who are actually smoking enough crack to try and claim the calls were fair while keeping a straight face. Honestly, I can handle a fair loss. I don't like it, but I can handle it. Take a look at the second loss to Collingwood last season -- the umpires were quite fair and we were just out-played. I don't like when that happens, but I suck it up and move on. It's games where, whether we played well or not, we clearly were never going to be
allowed to win that game, that piss me off this much. I honestly think if I sit here and read any more dribble from the handful or lunatics I may actually put my fist through the wall, and seeing as how I can't really afford to get the hole repaired tomorrow, I think it's best that I just ignore this thread.

I struggle to see how I am more biased towards this game than you are?
You did not play well tonight. You cannot say 'if we had we still wouldn't have won'. That is just a cheap way out. But, that's none of my business. I just don't understand how Carlton supporters can blame a 9-goal loss almost squarely on the umps. Sure, some games they favour one team more than the other but in the long run it evens itself out. We can sit here for hours debating decisions but that is the problem - there is too much grey area.

In any case I have made my point and I don't particularly like my chances of getting anyone to change their mind.

 

[Azul]

As I said, in plain english, and it wasn't a troll; show me just one simple video example of a free kick paid to North Melbourne in our forward 50 that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll concede my entire argument.

Just one.

I haven't seen the replay but the North supporter next to me conceded that the free against Henderson's spoil was bogus. 10m out

 

[bluengold89]

As I said, in plain english, and it wasn't a troll; show me just one simple video example of a free kick paid to North Melbourne in our forward 50 that wasn't there by the letter of the law, and i'll concede my entire argument.

Just one.

This was you last week:

Are you insane? Umpires rode West Coasts shaft the entirety of that second half.

If i'd come onto your board and posted some of the crap you have on here you wouldn't have liked it. North got a lot of dubious frees tonight, and i hate both your clubs because whenever we beat you it's always the umpiring so i'm not being biased. Just enjoy your win.

 

[TNBT]

I struggle to see how I am more biased towards this game than you are?
You did not play well tonight. You cannot say 'if we had we still wouldn't have won'. That is just a cheap way out. But, that's none of my business. I just don't understand how Carlton supporters can blame a 9-goal loss almost squarely on the umps. Sure, some games they favour one team more than the other but in the long run it evens itself out. We can sit here for hours debating decisions but that is the problem - there is too much grey area.

In any case I have made my point and I don't particularly like my chances of getting anyone to change their mind.

See, the flaw in your argument is right there -- it did not even come close to "evening itself out". The umpires set the tone early by handing frees to North which boosted their momentum and gutted our guys. If it actually DID even out, and we got a bunch of calls our way later as the game went on, then you would have a point, but it didn't. I admit that we didn't play well, and that's why I don't put this loss ENTIRELY on the umpires, but lets face the facts: they gifted North quite a few goals with imaginary frees, and the rest (us playing so badly and them getting their confidence up) was no doubt influenced quite a bit by the way that the game was called early.

 

[TNBT]

I did manage to find a YouTube video which covers the vast majority of the so-called "frees" that went North's way:

 

[Beloved]

Every single time there was a chance for a free kick for them, they paid it. We always get the free kick count made up in the back pocket or half back line, never inside 50 unless it's blatant, whereas they seem to get every half decision.

We had no chance. They wouldn't allow us back into the game.