Unqualified respect

[camrock]

In talking to people about the Hall of Fame inductees I've noticed that a club's supporters often value players differently to how they might be perceived by outsiders.

For example, I - and a lot of the people I know - would consider the most respected current Collingwood player to be Scott Burns, the most respected living player to be Gavin Brown and of all time, for those who've taken the opportunity to talk to older people about the game before their memories are lost to us, to be Syd Coventry. And yes, it's probably an appalling indictment that the embodiment of our club played in the 1920s and 1930s, but he led from the front in four straight premiership sides, for God's sake.

Who commands unqualified respect (for both their ability and character) among Carlton supporters? Is that different from what outsiders might believe? As someone who has seen the Blues play a lot in 40 years I would find it quite hard to call.

 

[phantom 309]

In talking to people about the Hall of Fame inductees I've noticed that a club's supporters often value players differently to how they might be perceived by outsiders.

For example, I - and a lot of the people I know - would consider the most respected current Collingwood player to be Scott Burns, the most respected living player to be Gavin Brown and of all time, for those who've taken the opportunity to talk to older people about the game before their memories are lost to us, to be Syd Coventry. And yes, it's probably an appalling indictment that the embodiment of our club played in the 1920s and 1930s, but he led from the front in four straight premiership sides, for God's sake.

Who commands unqualified respect (for both their ability and character) among Carlton supporters? Is that different from what outsiders might believe? As someone who has seen the Blues play a lot in 40 years I would find it quite hard to call.

sos rats kouta, so dam many it could be a very long list, we at carlton love our blue boys.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Very, VERY hard call as we've been blessed over the years.

Our current crop are very young and are yet to firmly write their own reputations at our great club. Give Juddy a few years.

I'd have to say that it's difficult to pass Big Nick as the personification of the CFC. He had aura, strength, leadership - LEGEND

Right on his heals as a four time flag hero the last as Captain Coach would have to be Jezza. The man personifies what is best about our sport - freakish natural instincts and spectacular inspiration. Funnily enough though his second stint as a coach here almost 20 years ago probably saw a tiny little bit of the 'legend' wear off.

SOS, particularly when combined with the tradition of Serge, is probably THE embodiment of Carlton and to it's heritage, even 'birth right', of passion and success. I'm assuming not unlike the Coventry dynasty at Collingwood many years ago.

One you may not be as familiar with from the mists of the past would have to be Bob Chitty - Captain of the legendary 1945 'Bloodbath' GF team. Possibly THE 'hardest' man ever to play the game, used to scare Jack Dyer ffs! Played Ned Kelly in the 1940's feature length Ned Kelly feature. Had the most amazing icy blue eyes.

Barassi's an interesting one as he's not 'all ours'. Nonetheless, a major player in setting up our 'modern day' dominance as a multi premiership Captain and Coach at Carlton.

Geoge Coulthard is referred to as probably the first ever 'great' of Australian Rules in the 1870/80's. A supreme athlete of the day he also played Test cricket for Australia. Tragically died of TB at the ripe old age of 27!

Johnston, Kernahan, Doull, 'Soapy' Vallance, Bradley, Gallagher, Hands, Deacon, Fitzpatrick, Ashman, Harmes, Walls, Southby, Ratten, 'Diesel' Williams, 'Ollie' Grieve, Buckley, 'Swan McKay, Keogh. 'Percy' Jones the list goes on and on..........

'Kouta' is probably the only recent legend at our club, will always be revered for his freakish athleticism and being a loyal, champion bloke. Will always be remembered for his deeds (pre knee recos). On the field of legends at Princes Park he was a leviathan around 2000. Played the best quarter of footy i've EVER seen anyone play (2nd quarter vs Sydney) that year. Massive statement, and i've seen a few guys go around, but he was a man against boys that day - absolutely awesome!


Good thread mate, i can see this one having some legs.

 

[XXX KINGS]

Peter Dean personified everything I love about Carlton when he tripped over the grand final dias in 1995.

The most passionate player I have seen wearing navy blue.

 

[Beloved]

Bob Chitty - Was an absolute hard nut, strong near the ball, strong away from the ball, a real intimidating pressance on the football field. I'd hate to ever have to play on someone like him!

 

[camrock]

One you may not be as familiar with would from the mists of the past would have to be Bob Chitty - Captain of the legendary 1945 'Bloodbath' GF team. Possibly THE 'hardest' man ever to play the game, used to scare Jack Dyer ffs! Played Ned Kelly in the 1940's feature length Ned Kelly feature. Had the most amazing icy blue eyes.

Obviously I was aware of Bob Chitty's achievements, but having just read up a bit I am frankly terrified, what with the playing with a recently amputated finger and waiting to kick goals before leaving the field with a broken ankle. Bloody hell.

 

[Bomba Sheldon]

You speak to any old timer and thet say Big Nick was the man at Carlton. Past greats like Soapy Vallance, Horrie Clover and Ken Hands always get a mention.

From my time as a supporter-

Bruce Doull - a genuine ball player who was rarely beaten and always seemed to be always super cool in a crisis. Could play tall or small and was so reliable.

Kernahan - a great leader of men who could never be questioned on strength, courage or the desire to win. Always put his hand up when a game was there to be won.

Wayne Johnston - Mr September played every game as though his life depended on it and always gave me goose bumps watching him. Super inspirational whether throwing himself across a boot to smother, getting another centre clearance or kicking a team inspring goal in the premiership quarter.

Ken Hunter - would take a bullet for a team-mate too courageous for his own good and as a result cut his career too short as a result. Best mark I have ever seen from any angle, direction l have seen.

Peter Dean - if you ever want to see an example of playing for the jumper you wont ever get a better example.

Greg Williams - one of the best kicks let alone handballers l have ever seen. possibly the most victimised / scragged player l have seen who learnt to battle in the face of adversity. Great vision who set up games and controlled them and to this IMO has had no equal in the game (that l have seen). A lot of his greatness has been eroded away from the perception of him being a thug on the field.

 

[camrock]

Greg Williams - one of the best kicks let alone handballers l have ever seen. possibly the most victimised / scragged player l have seen who learnt to battle in the face of adversity. Great vision who set up games and controlled them and to this IMO has had no equal in the game (that l have seen). A lot of his greatness has been eroded away from the perception of him being a thug on the field.

Good point about him being scragged, he probably doesn't get cut enough slack for it.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Good point about him being scragged, he probably doesn't get cut enough slack for it.

Greg was so good that Pagan (coaching the Roos) invented a 'rotation tag' where 3 or 4 guys would rotate the tag on him. Universally recognised that you has to stop Diesel if you wanted to win the game. Was robbed of a Brownlow in '93 to go with his other two.

I have never seen a player with such incredible vision. Was SOOOO amazingly skilled! Had about 5 different handballs and one year, struggling with bone on bone knee soreness, spent most of the year kicking ONLY with his (unnatural) left foot - saving his right for the finals. You couldn't tell the difference of course.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Thought this thread deserved a bump just to see what a few people who might have missed it last week might have to contribute........

 

[btdg]

In terms of guys universally respected by Carlton supporters, I'd say Brett Ratten, Andy McKay, Michael Sexton and Peter Dean were guys who are respected far more by Carlton people than outsiders.

Oh, and Jordan Rusell, Ryan Houlihan and Cain Ackland, of course...

 

[thylacine60]

I have renewed respect for Blue Dawn's ability to lay a quality bump.

 

[Blue Dawn]

I have renewed respect for Blue Dawn's ability to lay a quality bump.

You just took me straight back to my footy and rugby playing days Thy.


Agree with those who've mentioned Peter Dean - Mr 110%. His character, hardness and inspiration probably sees his level of respect at PP akin to that of Archer at the Roos.

Kevin Hall might be a name not thought of much, but if you look at the line of Great Carlton defenders through the modern era, from SOS, Dean, McKay and Secco back through Doull, Hunter and Southby - some have suggested that this 'lineage' was contributed to greatly by 3 time premiership player Kevin Hall.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kevin+Hall

 

[Blue Dawn]

Seems like peoples on this board are more capable of bitching about all and sundry rather than sharing their knowledge/memories of the great characters that make our Grand club.


C'MON YOU SLACK PR!CKS!!!

 

[thylacine60]

Alright already. But all I got is a big question mark over what people continually saw in the likes of Francina, Rhino and Manton. Just could not see the worth but I suppose some players have that certain non-effect on people.

Long career - Doormat. No need for detail.
Short career - Kenny Hunter. Fearless, sublimely skilled, never beaten.
Left Field - Swan McKay.
Opposition - Hird, Matthews, Flower, Daicos, Quinlan, Goggin, Barrot, Price, Long.

 

[koutamarto]

The way peter dean played the 95 GF u cant really go past that. What Passion.

Kouta is my hero for his football but what makes me like and respect him that much more Is his Gentle humble nature never has a bad word to say and no matter how good he was never thought to rise above himself. Legend.

 

[Amers]

John Nicholls
Ron Barassi
Mike Fitzpatrick
Kenny Hunter
The Dominator
Bruce Doull
Sticks Kernahan
Braddles
SOS
Peter Dean
Brett Ratten
Kouta
Kade Simpson
Marc Murphy

Not an exhaustive list, but these are the names that come to my mind.

 

[Blue Dawn]

John Nicholls
Ron Barassi
Mike Fitzpatrick
Kenny Hunter
The Dominator
Bruce Doull
Sticks Kernahan
Braddles
SOS
Peter Dean
Brett Ratten
Kouta
Kade Simpson
Marc Murphy

Not an exhaustive list, but these are the names that come to my mind.

Bit early for Simmo and Murph's my friend. There's many, many more who've done a lot more for a lot longer to make our club the Great club it is.

 

[Amers]

Bit early for Simmo and Murph's my friend. There's many, many more who've done a lot more for a lot longer to make our club the Great club it is.

Yoy're right, not yet, but when history looks back @ our current team, I believe that these 2 blokes will be the 1's that epitomize who Carlton is.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Jimmy Buckley is right in there.

5'8, jockey sized centerman
could kick it 70 yards,
tough a Sharmans boxer,
dished it out, took it,
and dished it out again.

Brutal bugger he was.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Jimmy Buckley is right in there.

5'8, jockey sized centerman
could kick it 70 yards,
tough a Sharmans boxer,
dished it out, took it,
and dished it out again.

Brutal bugger he was.

Remember he decked 3 Fitzroy players in about 10 seconds flat at Waverley in about 1982/83.

 

[thylacine60]

Remember he decked 3 Fitzroy players in about 10 seconds flat at Waverley in about 1982/83.

Then how tough did that make Ross Oakley? He took the entire team out in 96.

 

[thylacine60]

Next time we are getting kicked for past misdemeanors, lets not forget some of our goodwill to the other clubs over the years. Found this classic old cover on something called the internet.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Only bit i could find

Next time we are getting kicked for past misdemeanors, lets not forget some of our goodwill to the other clubs over the years. Found this classic old cover on something called the


You never seen Jimmy play then.

B & F 1982 Premiership Year.

Everyone got hurt, He was a beast.