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Here is US Politics - Pt 1
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Well would ya look at that m8, I too am now a comedy genius (apparently)!
Aren’t you supposed to be a ‘both sides’ guy? Funny how it never comes across that way.How did they influence the election results?
Who are the people that the Russians convinced to switch votes?
Which electorates do they live in?
It quite funny that people think people needed a few Russians to figure out what a corrupt POS Hilary was.
The DNC didn't mind some electoral interference when they rigged their own parties primaries.
And then paid for a fake dossier to impact the 2020 election.
Ok for me but not for thee is the DNC mantra.
You really don't understand how the internet, social media (and its algorithms) work do you?
Literally hundreds of thousands of Americans following, consuming, liking and sharing Russian Propaganda, thinking it was 'official Republican sources'.
Senior Trump officials reposting, liking, sharing and commenting on Russian propaganda.
No less than 340 million shares of Russian misinformation and propaganda. 126 million Americans consumed material and misinformation spread by Russian operatives.
Just from Facebook alone.
Just 20 false election stories spread by the Russians, generated nearly 9 million shares, reactions and comments on Facebook alone.
Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia
The Russians spread deliberate false information to hyper partisan blogs on social media (Youtube, Facebook, Rumblr, Instagram, Reddit, 4Chan, 8kun etc), promoting Trump (and Putin) and denigrating Clinton and the Democrats. Those fake stories were seen by hundreds of millions of Americans, and shared to other users at least 340 million times, on Facebook alone (Instagram and Youtube were just as bad).
The Russians also spread anti-vaxx s**t, Qanon and Pizzagate s**t and other conspirational rubbish.
The above hundreds of millions of shares, generated hundreds of millions of likes, comments, flame wars, thread bans, blocked users etc and contributed to radicalization (that we all saw in the USA, with cities literally burning, and politically motivated mass shootings occurring regularly). Cults venerating Trump as a messianic figure (Qanon) with hundreds of thousands of followers spread up overnight.
It literally cooked people. Including many who post on this very subforum.
Watch this video (bookmarked at the relevant time):
The dude in the above video explains the phenomenon. Social media is deliberately designed to 'tailor' peoples experiences to their likes, dislikes and the detailed psychological profile of you the App company has of you. It pushes narratives on you, and entrenches certain perceptions, prejudices and biases.
People don't just read misinformation and propaganda anymore. Social media platforms themselves function as a tool that amplifies that misinformation and propaganda, and radicalizes and cooks people.
People to this day (heck, in this very thread) who have been exposed to Russian pro Trump propaganda are literally still regurgitating deliberate misinformation that 'they learnt on the internet' and is nothing more than Russian propaganda 'as facts'. Lebbo73 BlueE ParapMarkets etc do it all the damn time.
You ever wondered why hundreds of thousands of people believe in insane s**t like Qanon, or 'ivermectin cures COVID' or 'Biolabs in Ukraine' or 'The WEF/ WHO are trying to impose Socialism on us'?
A combination of 'doing their own research' and social media algorithms doing it for them (without them realizing its happening) is why.
That's Michael Moore.
Aren’t you supposed to be a ‘both sides’ guy? Funny how it never comes across that way.
People still haven't heard of Project Lakhta on the conspiracies board?
You really don't understand how the internet, social media (and its algorithms) work do you?
Literally hundreds of thousands of Americans following, consuming, liking and sharing Russian Propaganda, thinking it was 'official Republican sources'.
Senior Trump officials reposting, liking, sharing and commenting on Russian propaganda.
No less than 340 million shares of Russian misinformation and propaganda. 126 million Americans consumed material and misinformation spread by Russian operatives.
Just from Facebook alone.
Just 20 false election stories spread by the Russians, generated nearly 9 million shares, reactions and comments on Facebook alone.
Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia
The Russians spread deliberate false information to hyper partisan blogs on social media (Youtube, Facebook, Rumblr, Instagram, Reddit, 4Chan, 8kun etc), promoting Trump (and Putin) and denigrating Clinton and the Democrats. Those fake stories were seen by hundreds of millions of Americans, and shared to other users at least 340 million times, on Facebook alone (Instagram and Youtube were just as bad).
The Russians also spread anti-vaxx s**t, Qanon and Pizzagate s**t and other conspirational rubbish.
The above hundreds of millions of shares, generated hundreds of millions of likes, comments, flame wars, thread bans, blocked users etc and contributed to radicalization (that we all saw in the USA, with cities literally burning, and politically motivated mass shootings occurring regularly). Cults venerating Trump as a messianic figure (Qanon) with hundreds of thousands of followers spread up overnight.
It literally cooked people. Including many who post on this very subforum.
Watch this video (bookmarked at the relevant time):
The dude in the above video explains the phenomenon. Social media is deliberately designed to 'tailor' peoples experiences to their likes, dislikes and the detailed psychological profile of you the App company has of you. It pushes narratives on you, and entrenches certain perceptions, prejudices and biases.
People don't just read misinformation and propaganda anymore. Social media platforms themselves function as a tool that amplifies that misinformation and propaganda, and radicalizes and cooks people.
People to this day (heck, in this very thread) who have been exposed to Russian pro Trump propaganda are literally still regurgitating deliberate misinformation that 'they learnt on the internet' and is nothing more than Russian propaganda 'as facts'. Lebbo73 BlueE ParapMarkets etc do it all the damn time.
You ever wondered why hundreds of thousands of people believe in insane s**t like Qanon, or 'ivermectin cures COVID' or 'Biolabs in Ukraine' or 'The WEF/ WHO are trying to impose Socialism on us'?
A combination of 'doing their own research' and social media algorithms doing it for them (without them realizing its happening) is why.
Wrong, of course. Meanwhile we have you to thank for the intellectual breakthrough that the shocking ancient history of the Democratic Party is the most relevant issue for voters in 2024 (and no doubt beyond).That's because you're a one side guy.
I said I hate the Democrats unreservedly.
Vile history.
Up there with the Nazi Party of Germany.
So were the Russians trying to get Trump elected by running "United Muslims of America" on FB with 300k followers? Or the BLM groups, or organising Women's Marches, or promoting Bernie, or establishing pro LGBT pages?
Your own sources reveal this info but your rhetoric seems to consistently be that only RWers are the dumb-dumbs tricked by Russia and algorithms, while you (or anyone who agrees with you) are above this. You draw a line between the left and the right where one side is 100% correct and beyond manipulation while the other side is the opposite.
A few years ago it was the left leaning posters on SRP expressing the greater concern about the corruption and extremism in Ukraine, but that has since been revised - dare I say that some have been "literally cooked by the algorithms".
So in a two horse race I 100% support Ukraine in this war. They are a sovereign nation being invaded by an uninvited aggressor. Just as Afghanistan were in the 80s. Does that mean we can't question the approach of "let's keep sending bombs into the region, that should create peace"? If your answer is yes, are there any other conflicts that the US involved themselves in that you think maybe they shouldn't have?
The Russians didn't impact the elections at all.
Okay so all the pro feminism, pro BLM, pro LGBT, pro Islam groups they pushed were actually just an effort to get these groups to not vote, not an attempt to simply sow division? When they organised the "Trump is NOT my president" protest, or the "United Muslims of America" demonstration outside of Trump tower, it was somehow a 4D chess move to help Trump? Holy-partisanship-batman.Yes.
Those fake accounts routinely posted s**t like 'dont vote this year' pitched at black people and women (who tend to vote Democrat) and served to sow disinformation to Democrat voters and create flame wars.
Okay so all the pro feminism, pro BLM, pro LGBT, pro Islam groups they pushed were actually just an effort to get these groups to not vote, not an attempt to simply sow division?
You are the one claiming their was no vaccine mandate from govt in US, which is clearly wrong.
These absolute pearlers from the guy currently putting on the show he is in the WEF thread, incredible work dude
You are the one claiming their was no vaccine mandate from govt in US, which is clearly wrong.
“Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began.
“We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here,” he said, gesturing to the crowd and holding up his fist.
Trump’s closest allies in Congress have also indicated they would be willing to throw out the rulebook for him. Senator J.D. Vance and Representative Elise Stefanik, both reportedly on the shortlist for Trump’s running mate, have said they would have carried out a coup on January 6, 2021, to keep Trump in power.
You've mistaken me for Mal.You are the one claiming their was no vaccine mandate from govt in US, which is clearly wrong.
You are so full of crap.There wasnt. You didnt actually have to get vaccinated under the mandate. You could just agree to get tested instead.
So why quote me then? Thosed quotes were about govt vaccine mandates.You've mistaken me for Mal.
You are so full of crap.
President Joe Biden announced Sept. 9 a series of proposals to combat the COVID-19 pandemic more aggressively, including plans for a new rule requiring employers with 100 or more employees to mandate that their workers be vaccinated or undergo weekly testing.
Eh? No, those posts were talking about being dishonest, using semantics and doubling down on nonsense - all things you were currently doing in the other thread.So why quote me then? Thosed quotes were about govt vaccine mandates.
That's not only demonstrably false, but it literally defies logic that you think a disinformation campaign that involved literally hundreds of millions of shares, likes and comments involving pro Trump disinformation on Facebook alone, didnt impact the election.
How many people got convinced the bullshit pandered by the Russians (vote Trump, Hillary evil, dont get vaccinated, Putin good!) among those hundreds of millions of people exposed do you think?
Before you answer Qanon has literally tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of believers. Every single one of them cooked by the algorithm into thinking s**t that makes Scientology look rational.
The Russians used the exact same techniques advertisers use on Social media, and they piss trillions into getting the algorithim to cook people into buying s**t, with clear data behind its success.
How do you think Meta and Google make money anyway?
So zero proof it impacted the results of the election then.
Between January 2015 and August 2017, Facebook linked 80,000 publications to the Russian company Internet Research Agency through more than 470 different accounts. At the same time, a total of 50,258 Twitter accounts were linked to Russian bots – fake accounts programmed to share false information – during the 2016 election period. The bots are responsible for more than 3.8 million tweets, about 19% of the total tweets related to the 2016 US presidential election. Approximately 80% of these bots behaved in a way that supported Donald Trump, mostly using the hashtags #donaldtrump, #trump2016, #neverhillary and #trumppence16.
Your spiel was like reading the same kind of conspiracy garbage you like to put it there you rail against.
What?
No, Meta, Google, X and other social media sites have reams of data on how effective the algorithm is convincing people to believe s**t, buy s**t and so forth.
They literally track your every move on the platform, construct psychological profiles of you, check on what sites you visit, measure your engagement time with content and much much more. They then use this data, to target advertisements to you, with proven rates of success in getting you to purchase s**t via click throughs. This data is then presented to Advertisers who then give Meta billions of dollars to sell s**t to unsuspecting dupes who don't understand how the Internet works.
Where do you think Meta's income comes from?
There is ample evidence on the effectiveness of Social media algorithms to channel people down rabbit holes and get them buying s**t, or entrenching behaviors and beliefs in people. Google, Meta, Apple, Samsung etc would not exist without that evidence.
Fact check US: What is the impact of Russian interference in the US presidential election?
Literally near 20 percent of all Tweets relating to the 2016 Election were from Russian Bots spreading deliberate misinformation, encouraging Black Americans not to vote (and pretending to be Black Activists), selling misleading and fake stories about Clinton, and promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
1 in 5 election Tweets was Russian disinformation. Along with literally hundreds of millions of Facebook interactions.
These are not just Advertisements. They're targeted ads, and deliberate misinformation, in viral news stories that flood peoples feeds, in a manner tailored to the individual user, convincing them that the fake news is real.
Those Tweets (along with the aforementioned Facebook and Instagram stories) plus YouTube, Rumblr, Reddit, MSN, 4Chan and other sites reached literally hundreds of millions of Americans, with the algorithm tailoring the individual content of each of those victims with 'news' articles that literally painted a totally fabricated picture of reality, tailored to that persons individual interests.
People got cooked by this process.
If you think they didn't, you're literally the most naive person I know (and also likely cooked). You're like Lord Nelson with the telescope up to his blind eye claiming not to see the Spanish Armada.
It is a conspiracy!
Specifically, it was literally a Psy-Op ordered by the Kremlin, and conducted by Russian agents, with the plan being to use Social media algorithms to cook people in the USA with disinformation and to radicalize them, get Trump elected, and to sow discord in the USA.
The fact you're sitting there with your fingers in your ears still, despite overwhelming evidence you're wrong, including Trump and the Republicans admitting it occurred, plus the FBI, CIA, ASIS, MI5, Interpol etc, plus numerous people being literally charged with being involved in the plot, plus the companies themselves admitting it, plus independent researchers studying it, and literally petabytes of data showing it, just tells me you're either an idiot, or you've also been cooked, or both.
The Russians influenced the election, and radicalized people. Those same people that support Trump now also overwhelming also support Putin and Russia, and oppose Ukraine.
Because the Russians told them to.
And still no proof that this great number of independent or undecided voters were swayed.
And again, where is the evidence these people who have no alignment to any party were swayed?
All you seem to be referencing is the people who were voting for Trump no matter what. That's who reads the crap you're waffling on about.