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By now those of you are following the election campaign would have heard the persistent rumours about the future of John Howard.

If the Coalition win (as seems likely :( ) it may very well come to pass that John Howard will retire from the post of Prime Minister about halfway through his next term.

Leaving the way open for Costello to become the new Prime Minister of Australia.

Don't forget its just conjecture at this stage - nothing is certain.

What do you reckon about this ?

- Will it make you change your vote ? (like Howard, hate Costello and vice versa)

- Does the thought of Prime Minister Peter Costello make you sick in the guts ?

- or do you think its only the correct and proper thing for Howard (who turns 65 during the next term of government) to do, given he is at retirement age ?

- or do you think this is just more 'mean and tricky' stuff from the guys who are best in the business ?

- Don't forget the ALP pulled the same stunt in 1991, with the truly farcical situation with Keating taking over from Hawke.

Personally I don't have a problem with this at all, in fact I would go so far as to welcome a Costello Prime Ministership.

Costello could be the first genuinely small 'l' Liberal Prime Minister since John Gorton. I know he is considerably to the left of Howard on a number of important 'social' issues (like the Republic for example) but at the same time his conservative economic credentials are impeccable.

With Costello - could we see a Prime Minister who is both an economic conservative and a social liberal at the same time ?

I certainly hope so, but it won't make me vote for the Coalition this time around.

thoughts anyone ?
 
As it is, I am not old enough to vote, but do have a view on this matter.
Personally i side with the Labor Party and certaintly would be voting for them if I could BUT if I could choose between Johnny and Costello, I do think I'd like Costello. Howard and Costello are very different, and I think if Liberal was to win(hope not) that Costello would make a good Prime Minister.
Either Way, If Labor wins, or if Liberal Wins and Johnny retires during the term, We might ACTUALLY get a DECENT REPUBLICAN question. There is no doubt in my mind that the VAST majority of Australians want a Republic, but as Johnny didn't, he termed the question knowing that many staunch republicans would vote no for the politicians republic. Still like Labor idea though for that, ask the simple question do you want a republic and then take it from there.
 
BSA, the coalition are gonna win an election they dont deserve, due to situations made for incumbent Governments, my only hope is that when they do win Lil Johnny does retire and gives Australia a chance to move into the current century, instead of looking like a 1950's hick town ...............

BTW the Libs first election campaign focuses on 'strong' leadership and mentions the boat people crisis to prove there point .... surely not political opportunism? Surely they didnt 'get tough' just to woo the right wingers? SURELY THEY HAVENT STIRRED UP RACIAL INTOLERANCE JUST TO WIN AN ELECTION?

Cmon Beaza, dont give up we need you to beat these ba......s
 
Beazely is losing this election due to his lack of policies on most things. He seems to be of the belief that a policy is whatever you say on breakfast talkback radio that morning. He sould be sacked as leader after this election. Problem is I can't really see who else could lead the party - Kernot did a good job while at the helm of the Democrats and would be an interesting choice as she would be a fresh candidate. Can't think of anyone else from the ALP who would be worthy.:confused:

Personally, I think I would prefer Costello to Howard. Is Tony Abbot a Liberal? It would be funny if it ended being Abbot and Costello!!:p
 

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I would certainly favour Costello as PM....I think we are of similar minds. I am not an interventionalist when it comes to the economy.....but socially progressive on issues such as the treatment of aboriganies and the republic. Costello is right up my alley (so to speak !!!)

Although my beliefs tends to see me voting Liberal, I would not in this election simply because of John Howard (can't see me voting Labour either though !). Howard is a twerp who belives things which are completely foreign to me.

However I learnt in the republic debate that there is a large section of society who thinks completely different to me...people I never meet....so if they like Johnny then good luck to them.

Given his political mix Costello could be an extremely good candidate and get very broad popular support (HR Nicholls background notwithstanding). I have an interesting picture at home in a book on Labour Law in Australia where Costello is acting as a Lawyer in the Robe River and Dollar Sweets IR disputes. I am sure this will come to the surface when the time is right.

Satay Mat
 
Originally posted by Briedis
Beazely is losing this election due to his lack of policies on most things. He seems to be of the belief that a policy is whatever you say on breakfast talkback radio that morning. He sould be sacked as leader after this election. Problem is I can't really see who else could lead the party - Kernot did a good job while at the helm of the Democrats and would be an interesting choice as she would be a fresh candidate. Can't think of anyone else from the ALP who would be worthy.:confused:

Personally, I think I would prefer Costello to Howard. Is Tony Abbot a Liberal? It would be funny if it ended being Abbot and Costello!!:p
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PLEASE NOT TONY ABOTT ................... ANYONE BUT TONY ABOTT.... ive changed my mind please stay li'l Johnny


BTW Simon Crean would make a good leader IMHO
 
I would be less inclined to vote for the Liberal Party if Costello were likely to become PM. However, it is a moot point because I would put the ALP further down the ballot than the Liberals regardless.

I don't think Beazley is a bad bloke, but Australia is NOT a presidential system - ie. you do not vote for the leader, you vote for a party (it's amazing how many people forget this!). I could never bring myself to vote for a party run on behalf of the trade union movement.

I will vote National for a similar reason BSA will vote Green - not for what they are, but for what they could/should be.
 
It appears to me that the question is pointless as those on these boards are mainly young socialists who will vote labour no matter what, a few Liberals who like both Howard and Costello and a few fence sitters who couldn't care a less who wins otherwise they would be voting for a real party. What we haven't got is any swinging voters, so opinions are parochial and worthless.
 
He would be a lot better than the alternative, Beazley, that's for sure.
I think if Mr Howard wins the election he will serve out his full term or at least 2 and a half years of it so there is an easy transition role for who ever is the next leader.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank
I would be less inclined to vote for the Liberal Party if Costello were likely to become PM. However, it is a moot point because I would put the ALP further down the ballot than the Liberals regardless.

I don't think Beazley is a bad bloke, but Australia is NOT a presidential system - ie. you do not vote for the leader, you vote for a party (it's amazing how many people forget this!). I could never bring myself to vote for a party run on behalf of the trade union movement.

I will vote National for a similar reason BSA will vote Green - not for what they are, but for what they could/should be.
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Your kinda right TigerTank... but I don't agree entirely.

While it is indeed true that we vote for and are governed by a party rather than an individual, it is the individual that provides the leadership of that party. And to me, that is Beazley's biggest failing. No apparent sign on a spine anywhere and definitely no leadership.

He would be to easily led astray by whatever lobby group is in his ear at the one time. Musta been taking tips from Bracks...
 
Costello has now been one of our longest serving Treasurer's ever. This role in politics is typically cast as the henchman, the tough guy who earns no popular plaudits.

Such an unpopular role would most certainly cost Costello any political mileage in the short term and would probably be better served by spending time as an Opposition Leader to allow the publics bitter memories to subside (while giving Labor another chance to f**k the economy over). Costello is still relatively young and has plently of time to fulfill his ambitions.

What always gets me is that you have a fairly Right Wing type like Peter Costello while his brother Tim is well and truly to the left.

Bet the Christmas dinners at the Costello house are usually pretty entertaining!

I actually think Little Johnny has it fixed in his head that we wants another full term and I think the only way it will be cut short is if their is a leadership spill.
 
As a life-long Labor voter, I'm in a bit of a quandry this time around. I just can't vote for them because of their 'sorry' policy. For mine Beazley is a weak kneed doughboy who does lack ticker, I'm with Bubba as I also think Simon Crean would be a better option.
I can't bring myself to vote for Lib/Nat because of the leadership uncertainty, or the tree huggers, or the Demmos. Hmmmm think I'll vote for whoever sends me the least amount of crap in the mail (11 items pertaining to the election already). Maybe that bloke who was trying to lower beer prices will be back?
Preferred PM for me is certainly Howard, if there was some assurance he would sit full term there'd be no worries. Can't stand that smarmy git Costello - after all, he IS an Essendon supporter:D
 

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Originally posted by Frodo
It appears to me that the question is pointless as those on these boards are mainly young socialists who will vote labour no matter what, a few Liberals who like both Howard and Costello and a few fence sitters who couldn't care a less who wins otherwise they would be voting for a real party. What we haven't got is any swinging voters, so opinions are parochial and worthless.
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Actually there's a couple of older socialists here. And I dis vote for thatcher once, (in 1979 I think) she responded by destroying the industry i was in (shipping) and offering for me to go to the falklands war the day after I was made redundant. Needless to say I will never vote that way ever again. They don't give a **** about anyone except them and their mates.
 
Yeah but a vote for Beazley is a vote for Beazley.

Is there any doubt that we have the worst set of leaders across all parties that we have ever had in Australia?

Thoughts?

Moomba
 
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Originally posted by moomba
Yeah but a vote for Beazley is a vote for Beazley.

Is there any doubt that we have the worst set of leaders across all parties that we have ever had in Australia?

Thoughts?

Moomba
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im afraid you could be right moomba, noone really inspires do they? In Beazleys defence opposition leaders do find it hard to make an impression, they are always seen as negative, they dont get to make big announcements or meet world leaders, they are ignored largely by the media ...... so ill give Beaza the benefit of the doubt ..... GO BIG FELLA
 

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Re: Re: vote Howard - get Costello ?

Originally posted by moomba
Yeah but a vote for Beazley is a vote for the Unions.

Is there any doubt that we have the worst set of leaders across all parties that we have ever had in Australia?

Thoughts?

Moomba
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Liberal party aside you are correct.

John Howard and peter Costello are both outstanding leaders though and popular (see polls) and far better than the likes of Keating and Hawke. Given that I must admit that as leaders both Keating and Hawke were far superior To Beazley.
 
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Originally posted by Frodo


Liberal party aside you are correct.

John Howard and peter Costello are both outstanding leaders though and popular (see polls) and far better than the likes of Keating and Hawke. Given that I must admit that as leaders both Keating and Hawke were far superior To Beazley.
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Geez ... you are deadset in love with these guys. .. whats going on? Are you their campaign leader?
 
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Originally posted by Frodo


Liberal party aside you are correct.

John Howard and peter Costello are both outstanding leaders though and popular (see polls) and far better than the likes of Keating and Hawke. Given that I must admit that as leaders both Keating and Hawke were far superior To Beazley.
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That's funny - thanks for amusing me!

4 weeks ago Howard/Libs etc were languishing in the polls.
They got lucky with the refugee crisis and terrorist acts.

I am only thankfull that there is still enough time left in this election campaign for the real issues to be focussed on.

Howard a leader!! The man who stumbles around the world stage like the amiable buffoon he is (remember that time Bill clinton refused to see him - made him wait for ages then ended up giving him 10 minutes in a cloakroom!!).

Poor Johnny.
 

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