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Just got back from the game, it really was dissapointing.

I'm a Falcons supporter, and it looked like the boys just didn't have the passion to win.

The weather was shocking, and didn't make for a good game. All in all, it wasn't a great game at all.
 

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dang, I got all excited 5 minutes ago when I realised the falcons were in the grand final....stupid me living in victoria didn't realise it was all over red rover :(

oh well, at least West Perth aren't total crabs
 
Hugely disappointing in all respects.

Probably the highlight of the day was in the Colts game (which West Perth also lost) in about the third quarter, when Roger Kerr (presumably the father of Daniel, although I thought they were an East Fremantle family, rather than South) sprinted down from the coaches box up in the stands (they were already about 6 goals up) and raced up to his own dugout to give some hapless South assistant or runner an almighty spray. "I take the fukcing decisions in this club!" was the only comprehensible bit of the message, but he was clearly upset about something.
 
it was a great game besides the old granma near me who kept going about "its the eagles that get you across the line"
i swear that this is really really starting to **** me off cause you look at the side that played the grand final and there were 2 players that were west coast and the other has been an east perth player through colts and all and that would be michael prior. Tuckey was going to join east perth no matter what so there goes that point. You look at the core of the East Perth side Devan, Turnball, Cowell, Swanny, Knighter, Brennan, 'Bob' Marley etc they are the ones that are getting you across the line!

I cant believe that they just cant live with the fact that East Perth won(yet again) and deal with it i mean if they want to have a go at an Eagles side look at Subiaco.

If you heard what some of the players did last night... lol
 
Originally posted by wellsy
it was a great game besides the old granma near me who kept going about "its the eagles that get you across the line"
i swear that this is really really starting to **** me off cause you look at the side that played the grand final and there were 2 players that were west coast and the other has been an east perth player through colts and all and that would be michael prior. Tuckey was going to join east perth no matter what so there goes that point. You look at the core of the East Perth side Devan, Turnball, Cowell, Swanny, Knighter, Brennan, 'Bob' Marley etc they are the ones that are getting you across the line!

I cant believe that they just cant live with the fact that East Perth won(yet again) and deal with it i mean if they want to have a go at an Eagles side look at Subiaco.

If you heard what some of the players did last night... lol
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Tony Micale
Training facilities
Injury treatment
Paul Symmons
Evasion of salary cap
Andy Lovell in the coaches box??????????????????

If you go through the two lists, you'll see that the vast majority of East Perth are interstate or Eagles or taken from elsewhere or all.

Your colts finished bottom this year.

Well played though. The far superior team on the day and showed good professionalism by not getting carried away with their own publicity.
 
Absolutely shocking! I live in West Perth and play hockey at Arena Joondalup, where they train. I was hoping they'd give the Royals at least a 'tug' for the Premiership but were never in it.

I know two d|ckheads who go to my school and are in West Perth colts (I think that's what it was), they're not too bad at footy but I'd hate to have guys like that run out on the field for us! Actually I know another guy that tryed out to get in aswell (not sure if he did) but he is one of the nicest 15 year olds you'll ever meet, I hope he made it through.
 
Originally posted by Voice of Reason


Tony Micale
Training facilities
Injury treatment
Paul Symmons
Evasion of salary cap
Andy Lovell in the coaches box??????????????????

If you go through the two lists, you'll see that the vast majority of East Perth are interstate or Eagles or taken from elsewhere or all.

Your colts finished bottom this year.

Well played though. The far superior team on the day and showed good professionalism by not getting carried away with their own publicity.
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Ok first of all our Colts won the premiership in 2000 and most of those players are working there way into the league side or there abouts or left. Our zoning areas arent great either.

Training facilities?? What do you mean training facilities as they are exactly the same as what they were at Perth oval before glory moved in.

Injury treatment now of course if some player has a re-occuring injury they arent going to see just anyone they are going to see the best possible person available to find the problem arent they.

Paul Symmons...whats wrong with him besides the fact West Perth couldnt afford to keep hold of him so they offloaded him as they did with Troy Wilson and we took them simple as that.

Evasion of the salary cap...yep we sure did..:rolleyes:

and Andy Lovell...wow he is in the coaches box good on him really as he will probably be our next coach.

Ok now our list
Perry- St Mary's, NT
Baxter- Wagga Wagga, NSW
Knights- Preston, Vic
Swan-Box Hill, Vic
Cowell-Geelong,Vic
Humm-Ballarat, Vic
Tuckey-Collingwood, Vic
So 7 non WA players in the GF side so it seems the vast majority are true blue East Perth players.
 
Originally posted by wellsy
Paul Symmons...whats wrong with him besides the fact West Perth couldnt afford to keep hold of him so they offloaded him as they did with Troy Wilson and we took them simple as that.

Evasion of the salary cap...yep we sure did..:rolleyes:
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Spot the link between your two points here.

Bronte "cough" Howmuchisthat?
 
Its called room in the salary cap. The other reason why they couldnt afford him is because West Perth arent making any money and its as simple as that. Thats why West Perth proposed a move away from Joondalup due to the high rent to keep running there. Premierships and a high amount of members gives off a lot of money in itself along with the highest attendence in the WAFL everyweek.

A case of making room in the salary cap would be Essendon when high profile players like Hird took a pay cut to fit in the salary cap and if ever we get to a situation (or any club for that matter) im sure they would take a pay cut to keep the core players together.

How about the Bulldogs from the NRL now those players will need to take a pay cut aswell to keep their core of players together as they known that they will win the comp anyways.
 

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Originally posted by wellsy
Its called room in the salary cap. The other reason why they couldnt afford him is because West Perth arent making any money and its as simple as that. Thats why West Perth proposed a move away from Joondalup due to the high rent to keep running there. Premierships and a high amount of members gives off a lot of money in itself along with the highest attendence in the WAFL everyweek.

A case of making room in the salary cap would be Essendon when high profile players like Hird took a pay cut to fit in the salary cap and if ever we get to a situation (or any club for that matter) im sure they would take a pay cut to keep the core players together.

How about the Bulldogs from the NRL now those players will need to take a pay cut aswell to keep their core of players together as they known that they will win the comp anyways.
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Are you seriously trying to maintain that all those East Perth players get in total less than $125,000 from their footy activity? Obviously, it'll be the old David Riccardi "I wash the cars for $xx,xxx a year" party line.
 
What i am trying to maintain is that if we are over the limit then the WAFC would intervene but nothing has happened so we are under the salary cap. I just leave it at that as i dont obviously know their salary and no one else would besides the people running the clubs and the WAFC.
 
Originally posted by wellsy
What i am trying to maintain is that if we are over the limit then the WAFC would intervene but nothing has happened so we are under the salary cap. I just leave it at that as i dont obviously know their salary and no one else would besides the people running the clubs and the WAFC.
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I find your faith in the WAFC disturbing.......
 
I doubt East Perth are over the limit on the cap, they're probably the only club that can actually afford to spend that much.

Had to laugh at the 'Tony Micale being associated with the Eagles' in the Falcon's excuse book. Had to listen to a WP supporter at work go on about it prior to the Grand Final, "he's assistant coach at the Eagles, that means he can train them hard like an AFL side" my reply was: "can't Harris train a side? It's not like gym equipment is an AFL secret." Sheesh
 
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
I doubt East Perth are over the limit on the cap, they're probably the only club that can actually afford to spend that much.

Had to laugh at the 'Tony Micale being associated with the Eagles' in the Falcon's excuse book. Had to listen to a WP supporter at work go on about it prior to the Grand Final, "he's assistant coach at the Eagles, that means he can train them hard like an AFL side" my reply was: "can't Harris train a side? It's not like gym equipment is an AFL secret." Sheesh
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My point was that it is the amounts paid to players and coach outside of the cap that gives them an unfair advantage.

You might like to compare the West Coast Eagles facilities with those at a WAFL side some day.

How much do you reckon Tony Micale gets paid? About $150,000? How much of that do you reckon East Perth contribute?
 

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Facts

I concurr with "Voice of Reason".

There is no way Micale should be a assistant coach of the WCE and coach of a WAFL club. FOr gods' sake East Perth have had enough benefits of the "host" club caper. The fact Micale received reports all season on the WCE WAFL players including strengths and weaknesses speaks enough for itself. Add Buzsan's rehabilitation at the WCE premises when all other WAFL clubs aren't allowed the same facility and the list is starting to mount.

Don't be suprised to see in the future East Perth's finances aren't as flash as people perceive. Unbelievably it is the one WAFL club the WAFC are unable to audit...

As for Symmons, he was offered the captaincy and a substantial cash component to stay at West Perth, but decided to transfer for $5,000.

Dean Brennan was cleared after a struggle from Perth for an amount that was twice the cost of a 30 odd game WAFL player.

Add Thompson, Wilson to the mix and you have 54% of the premiership side from other clubs. So how did they afford that? By the payments they DIDN'T have to make for the WCE players in 2001/2002...

Really fair playing field eh?
 
Re: Facts

Originally posted by hassa
I concurr with "Voice of Reason".

There is no way Micale should be a assistant coach of the WCE and coach of a WAFL club. FOr gods' sake East Perth have had enough benefits of the "host" club caper. The fact Micale received reports all season on the WCE WAFL players including strengths and weaknesses speaks enough for itself. Add Buzsan's rehabilitation at the WCE premises when all other WAFL clubs aren't allowed the same facility and the list is starting to mount.

Don't be suprised to see in the future East Perth's finances aren't as flash as people perceive. Unbelievably it is the one WAFL club the WAFC are unable to audit...

As for Symmons, he was offered the captaincy and a substantial cash component to stay at West Perth, but decided to transfer for $5,000.

Dean Brennan was cleared after a struggle from Perth for an amount that was twice the cost of a 30 odd game WAFL player.

Add Thompson, Wilson to the mix and you have 54% of the premiership side from other clubs. So how did they afford that? By the payments they DIDN'T have to make for the WCE players in 2001/2002...

Really fair playing field eh?
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Just in case anyone in WA wasn't convinced by the earlier points, Richard Taylor has signed to play for East Perth next year.
Mark Merenda has accepted a coaching job at East Perth next year.
Tony Micale is still seriously considering staying at East Perth, even though he's in demand by the Sydney Swans and WCE.

Don't tell me, the retirements of Aaron Marley and Grant Holman have freed up some cash at the Royals.:rolleyes:

I hope Peter Matera and Ashley McIntosh stay on at the Eagles for another year - otherwise they'll be washing cars for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and playing for fun at East Perth.:rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by Voice of Reason
I hope Peter Matera and Ashley McIntosh stay on at the Eagles for another year - otherwise they'll be washing cars for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and playing for fun at East Perth.:rolleyes:
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Can always hope you're right :D
 
Tony Micale

Attention Hassa: Fact 1. When Tony Micale was coaching South Fremantle in 1999, he was also an Assistant Coach at the Dorkers. I assume he would have sat in the coaches box then - but it didn't win SF a Premiership. If him being an assistant at both clubs equates with a team winning a premiership, then what happened to SF ?
Fact 2. South Fremantle share an oval with the Dorkers - surely you don't believe that they don't also have access to the Dorkers facilities?
Fact 3. Tony Micale is a part time coach at both East Perth and the Eagles. East Perth pay him for his duties at East Perth and the Eagles pay him for his duties at The Eagles. Is that too difficult to understand?

Troy Wilson and Paul Symmons transferred to East Perth. So big deal? It is hardly the first time players have moved clubs. East Perth have also lost players to other clubs over the last couple of years. Off the top of my head - Luke Dwyer (Claremont) Wayne Otway Jnr (Swan Districts) Chad Duxbury (SF) Brad Hardingham (Perth - plus cash for Dean Brennan) Adam Hay (SF -via South Australia). It is not a one way street. It is just that East Perth do it better.

East Perth had the same number or less Eastern States Eagles than the other WAFL clubs this year. East Perth had : Chris Judd (1 and only WAFL game in round 1) Jeremy Humm and Brent Tuckey ( a rookie list player who had agreed to play for East Perth before he was listed by the Eagles).
Subiaco had: Michael Braun, Josh Wooden, David Haynes.
West Perth: David Wirrpunda, Callum Chambers, Andrew Williams
Swans: Ashley Hansen,Richard Taylor,Kane Munro,Chad Morrison.

Let me say this slowly so everyone will finally understand:
The Alignment had been ended. All interstate Eagles and Dorkers players are distributed amongst their designated clubs. That is: The Eagles - East Perth,West Perth,Subiaco and Swans.
The Dorkers - Perth, Claremont, Peel, SF and EF.

Whatever deals are done between players and clubs is up to how well the club is able to handle them. Obviously East Perth do it better. They have a very professional setup at the club with a very committed Board of Directors and the biggest membership and supporters numbers in the WAFL.

These are the FACTS:

During the host club year (1999) Claremont had access to ALL Eagles players and SF ALL Dorkers but Claremont didn't even make the finals and SF were beaten by West Perth in the GF.

During the Alignment years (2000 and 2001) East Perth had access to ALL INTERSTATE Eagles and SF the same for the Dorkers. East Perth beat EF in the Grand Final (2000) by seven goals. In 2001 East Perth beat SF in the GF by 12 goals.

If being associated with an AFL team equates to winning a premiership, then why didn't Claremont and SF also win premierships during this period?
The answer is simple - East Perth did it better !!!
 
Re: Tony Micale

Originally posted by vicki
Attention Hassa: Fact 1. When Tony Micale was coaching South Fremantle in 1999, he was also an Assistant Coach at the Dorkers. I assume he would have sat in the coaches box then - but it didn't win SF a Premiership. If him being an assistant at both clubs equates with a team winning a premiership, then what happened to SF ?
Fact 2. South Fremantle share an oval with the Dorkers - surely you don't believe that they don't also have access to the Dorkers facilities?
Fact 3. Tony Micale is a part time coach at both East Perth and the Eagles. East Perth pay him for his duties at East Perth and the Eagles pay him for his duties at The Eagles. Is that too difficult to understand?

Troy Wilson and Paul Symmons transferred to East Perth. So big deal? It is hardly the first time players have moved clubs. East Perth have also lost players to other clubs over the last couple of years. Off the top of my head - Luke Dwyer (Claremont) Wayne Otway Jnr (Swan Districts) Chad Duxbury (SF) Brad Hardingham (Perth - plus cash for Dean Brennan) Adam Hay (SF -via South Australia). It is not a one way street. It is just that East Perth do it better.

East Perth had the same number or less Eastern States Eagles than the other WAFL clubs this year. East Perth had : Chris Judd (1 and only WAFL game in round 1) Jeremy Humm and Brent Tuckey ( a rookie list player who had agreed to play for East Perth before he was listed by the Eagles).
Subiaco had: Michael Braun, Josh Wooden, David Haynes.
West Perth: David Wirrpunda, Callum Chambers, Andrew Williams
Swans: Ashley Hansen,Richard Taylor,Kane Munro,Chad Morrison.

Let me say this slowly so everyone will finally understand:
The Alignment had been ended. All interstate Eagles and Dorkers players are distributed amongst their designated clubs. That is: The Eagles - East Perth,West Perth,Subiaco and Swans.
The Dorkers - Perth, Claremont, Peel, SF and EF.

Whatever deals are done between players and clubs is up to how well the club is able to handle them. Obviously East Perth do it better. They have a very professional setup at the club with a very committed Board of Directors and the biggest membership and supporters numbers in the WAFL.

These are the FACTS:

During the host club year (1999) Claremont had access to ALL Eagles players and SF ALL Dorkers but Claremont didn't even make the finals and SF were beaten by West Perth in the GF.

During the Alignment years (2000 and 2001) East Perth had access to ALL INTERSTATE Eagles and SF the same for the Dorkers. East Perth beat EF in the Grand Final (2000) by seven goals. In 2001 East Perth beat SF in the GF by 12 goals.

If being associated with an AFL team equates to winning a premiership, then why didn't Claremont and SF also win premierships during this period?
The answer is simple - East Perth did it better !!!
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That is biased crap and you know it vicki.

While I'm on, I'd like to personally thank David Wirrpunda (0 games), Callum Chambers (1 game) and Andrew Williams (about 4 games, including the most disgraceful performance by an AFL player I have seen in the WAFL in our first final against East Frementle) for their contribution to West Perth's GF-reaching season this year. :rolleyes:

I find your suggestion that South Fremantle (favourites in 1999, won the Prelim Final, but beaten by the as ever gallant West Perth when it mattered in the GF) having an association with the Dockers in that period as being equal to EP having an association with the Eagles LAUGHABLE. The Dockers (particularly then) are not the Eagles, as you know. You also know that Claremoint were not committed to the Eagles arrangement and canned it after one year.

Your facts are selective.

The players who have left largely left because they couldn't get into the team (hardly surprisingly). Duxbury, for example, left because he couldn't get a guernsey in the GF.

You also completely fail to address any of the points I have raised.

This is because you have no idea how EP can consistently poach the best players or what the financial arrangements are. If you do know, post them!

I am of course biased in favour of West Perth. I am also biased in favour of an even competetion and sport generally, which is why I have consistently opposed the host club agreement (which I agree has now officially ended - no doubt Andy Lovell was just a visiting guest in the EP box on GF day).

EP's dominance will ruin the WAFL, possibly irretrievably.
 
(don't shoot me down, i am only saying my opinion and as wrong as it may be here it is)

I can't really comment because i am a product of the Host Agreement, it was the ONLY reason i started following East Perth i am sad to admit. But i will say a few things.
IMO its not East Perth's fault for doing as they do, its the WAFC. If you run a business and u get the chance to become immensely successful and non of your opponents get that chance, you take it, as East Perth have done. The WAFC should NEVER have let it heppen(the host club arrangement). Host Clubs work in the VFL because a LOT of the teams are able to get the benefits due to the large number of melbourne AFL sides.

When the host club arrangement started i was all for it because i saw it as a way of bettering the eagles. At that time i ONLY cared how the Eagles went, as i have grown up with the AFL and West Coast, so anything that would better them was good to me. Since then i have watched East Perth more and more, and have payed a lot more of an interest in the WAFL and it is damaging the WAFL. (i will just stop here and start something else lol)

The WAFL is you could say damaged goods. The AFL have screwed it over for 15 years now almost, and i can't see the WAFl getting back to what it was ever, or sustaining itself with its current direction. I want it to stay as it is, but with 1 less team (Peel MUST! stay) What i would like to see but would never happen and totally goes against the History is a WAFL, that is a WESTERN Australian Football league, not a Perth Football League as it is now, but this won't happen.

Anyway back to my last topic(i am losing myself fast) I have watched the WAFL fall further and further with the East Perth thing. As i said i only started following them because of the Eagles(and now i am probably only following them as they have had success...but i guess everyone has stories of why they follow their team and East perth is now Well and truly the team i Love in the WAFL) and now even though they are no longer host club etc, they are still gaining benefits from the arrangement with the players they managed to get easier. BUT i also don't think it is as bad as some think, probably somewhere in between

Ok i am going to stop now and let my comments be torn apart as i probably don't know what the heck i am talking about. All i know is the WAFC has problems, most of which it has caused recently, but overall most caused by the AFL. One thing i know is i will certaintly follow the WAFL more now than i used to, and when i go to Perth i will follow it at the games. I wish i could have been like my Dad and experienced the WAFL in its hay day, as he did following Subiaco each weekend

Look forward to your comments and me trying to reply and getting lost again:D
 

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