Wallets trading

[DanA]

You'd have to be happy with how Terry Tan has traded so far.
Simmond for Fiora
Polak + #13 (J.Reiwoldt) for #8 (B.Reid) + #42 (B.Houli)
Morton for #35 (S.Reid)
McMahon for #19 (C.Ward) *Said he would have drafted S.Selwood

First three trades are absolute crackers as far as I am concerned. You got an AA ruckmen for Fiora! Polak was basically for free while Morton is very good value.

McMahon I think you paid a little over the odds for but I think you could break even with that one. Certainlky had a big one on the weekend.

How do Tigers fans see their trading?

 

[sante]

Agree with you and like most Tiger fans, we agree that we overpaid for McMahon. Selwood would've been a great get.

Morton is a good pick-up.

Wallace claimed we would've taken Riewoldt with #8, so Polak was a free player, if the guy could kick we'd have a great FF.

Fiora is a hack.

 

[PHX]

Yeah its good but it's a bit of an offset we need after some poor drafting 2001-2004 which has us need those from that age group which Polak, Morton and McMahon all are I'm pretty sure.

But yeah, those trades all look good so far.

 

[stefoid]

How does Sam Reid come into the equation? (bulldogs pick)

 

[tigertiger]

I think we could have drafted another player that would have taken 3 to 5 years to develop last year and add it to the other 10 players we have in this catagory or have drafted a ready made player like McMahon who is more then servicable.

I felt we drafted and traded very well last year the McMahon trade was a bit risky but it gave us immediatly a best 22 player that has great run and delivery his courage can be questioned at times but maybe this can be knocked into him

Morton was the same he had already been in the system for a couple of years and showed yesterday what he is capable of and should be in our best 22 for the rest of the year.

The year before trade for Polak and pick that got Jack was a fine piece of work. Polak is definetly in our best 22 and Jack will be there by the end of the season.

and a big blllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt to all the short sighted critics who through there heads up last week to call for everyones sackings

 

[_RT_]

How does Sam Reid come into the equation? (bulldogs pick)

We traded that pick to the Eagles for Morton who then traded it on to the Dogs in a swap for picks.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Although McMahon has had a sketchy start I had no problem with the football department trying to bring 100 game players to the club and there weren't alot out there looking for a change. We have enough kids to work with and need to fill the gap fast. Should be more of it at the end of this year as well.

I'd be happy if we jocky'd around our picks to attract a super star KP half back and then use the rest as best we can. Maybe we should rookie list another 4 players as we have alot of success with those.

 

[Richo for PM]

I now see why we drafted Fiora over Pavlich, to on trade him for Simmonds...Pavlich isnt that good anyway...

 

[_Wang_]

I now see why we drafted Fiora over Pavlich, to on trade him for Simmonds...Pavlich isnt that good anyway...

GOLD

 

[Rayzorwire]

I'd be happy if we jocky'd around our picks to attract a super star KP half back and then use the rest as best we can. Maybe we should rookie list another 4 players as we have alot of success with those.

CHB seems to be one position we have covered pretty well with our recruiting TT (with Rance still to come). The only mature trades I'd be happy with at this stage for next year's draft are for a good mid-age midfielder, or a good mid-age small defender (the last of which I wouldn't be prepared to give up much for).

Between our improving club finances and quite a few big contracts due to expire with retirements over the next 1-3 years, we'll have some serious cash to go shopping for the right midfielder to add to the mix.

We should also be a more attractive option to be traded to than we have been in the past by that stage.

 

[Sausage roll]

CHB seems to be one position we have covered pretty well with our recruiting TT (with Rance still to come). The only mature trades I'd be happy with at this stage for next year's draft are for a good mid-age midfielder, or a good mid-age small defender (the last of which I wouldn't be prepared to give up much for).

Between our improving club finances and quite a few big contracts due to expire with retirements over the next 1-3 years, we'll have some serious cash to go shopping for the right midfielder to add to the mix.

We should also be a more attractive option to be traded to than we have been in the past by that stage.

Can't say i would agree with that.

 

[beaver fever]

Polak + #13 (J.Reiwoldt) for #8 (B.Reid)

Pretty sure it was:
Polak + #13 (J.Reiwoldt) + #58 (D.Connors) for #8 (B.Reid) + #42 (B.Houli)

 

[tugga]

Kerr wants to come to Victoria and preferably joing Judd at Carlton. Can't see how they can afford it if the rumours are true.
No doubt the Pies will put up their hands too. Bombers?
Tigers?

 

[DanA]

CHB seems to be one position we have covered pretty well with our recruiting TT (with Rance still to come). The only mature trades I'd be happy with at this stage for next year's draft are for a good mid-age midfielder, or a good mid-age small defender (the last of which I wouldn't be prepared to give up much for).

Between our improving club finances and quite a few big contracts due to expire with retirements over the next 1-3 years, we'll have some serious cash to go shopping for the right midfielder to add to the mix.

We should also be a more attractive option to be traded to than we have been in the past by that stage.

No need for a small backmen you have Newman, McMahon, Raines and King.

You could definitely do with a midfielder though. A workhorse in & under type that has good hands, Daniel Kerr or Joel Corey would be perfect. It would combine well with Foley & Cotchin who are great at breaking out.

Hypothetically In 2009 a midfeild of:
Kerr, Foley, Deledio, Johnson, Cotchin, Tambling, Coughlan & Polo all rotating in would be a very good midfeild ready to be competitive in finals footy. You got to wonder if its worth it long term when compared to developing your own picks.

 

[HBK619]

Kerr wants to come to Victoria and preferably joing Judd at Carlton. Can't see how they can afford it if the rumours are true.
No doubt the Pies will put up their hands too. Bombers?
Tigers?

We got Foley and Cotchin, don't need him, let Carlton spend another $6mil.

 

[SolidTiger]

Agree with you and like most Tiger fans, we agree that we overpaid for McMahon. Selwood would've been a great get.

I used to think we overpaid for McMahon, but his performance against Freo is making me think otherwise. I would like to see how he performs over the next few weeks.

 

[Rayzorwire]

No need for a small backmen you have Newman, McMahon, Raines and King.

We've been smashed by small forwards for years because Newman and Raines are not good defensively if their matchup is isolated, McMahon is not great defensively either, and King is a dead set rover who will move to the centre (plus, he's arguably too short for many dangerous small forwards).

Could give you countless examples, but the 'Ebert and Motlop show' where they kicked 11 between them rd. 16 last year springs to mind, closely followed by the recent Corey, Grant, Campbell, Edwards bonanza of 16 goals. That's 27 goals over two games, while the opposition key forwards in those games got a combined total of 5 goals. Almost every small forward in the league hits their career high peak against us, and while that's partly due to the opportunities they get playing us, it's also because every opposition coach knows now that we are more vulnerable to good small forwards than talls.

We simply don't have a 'shut down' small defender who can keep us in the game when our midfield is down.

Be interesting to see if Collins gets blooded in that role seeing he played his junior football as a small defender.

You could definitely do with a midfielder though. A workhorse in & under type that has good hands, Daniel Kerr or Joel Corey would be perfect. It would combine well with Foley & Cotchin who are great at breaking out.

Foley's an in and under player who can also bust out of packs, be ideal to add a similar mature midfielder with 4-5 very good years left.

Obviously that type of player is very difficult to snare, but we will have some significant cash freed up in the future.

 

[Sausage roll]

We've been smashed by small forwards for years because Newman and Raines are not good defensively if their matchup is isolated, McMahon is not great defensively either, and King is a dead set rover who will move to the centre (plus, he's arguably too short for many dangerous small forwards).

Could give you countless examples, but the 'Ebert and Motlop show' where they kicked 11 between them rd. 16 last year springs to mind, closely followed by the recent Corey, Grant, Campbell, Edwards bonanza of 16 goals. That's 27 goals over two games, while the opposition key forwards in those games got a combined total of 5 goals. Almost every small forward in the league hits their career high peak against us, and while that's partly due to the opportunities they get playing us, it's also because every opposition coach knows now that we are more vulnerable to good small forwards than talls.

We simply don't have a 'shut down' small defender who can keep us in the game when our midfield is down.

Be interesting to see if Collins gets blooded in that role seeing he played his junior football as a small defender.



Foley's an in and under player who can also bust out of packs, be ideal to add a similar mature midfielder with 4-5 very good years left.

Obviously that type of player is very difficult to snare, but we will have some significant cash freed up in the future.

LMAO! Small forwards?

"Corey" i assume is Corey jones who at 6'2 is a small forward is he?

Give me a break!
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I like the way the others are surname but he is "corey"

 

[mavric]

You'd have to be happy with how Terry Tan has traded so far.
Simmond for Fiora
Polak + #13 (J.Reiwoldt) for #8 (B.Reid) + #42 (B.Houli)
Morton for #35 (S.Reid)
McMahon for #19 (C.Ward) *Said he would have drafted S.Selwood

First three trades are absolute crackers as far as I am concerned. You got an AA ruckmen for Fiora! Polak was basically for free while Morton is very good value.

McMahon I think you paid a little over the odds for but I think you could break even with that one. Certainlky had a big one on the weekend.

How do Tigers fans see their trading?

You must be taking the p1ss. How do I see it....an absolute unmitigated disaster.

Simmonds for Fiora. Seemingly good until you realise we could of had him for nothing with first pick in the pre season draft. Gross stupidity.

Polak & Reiwoldt for the opportunity to draft Ben Reid or Nathan Brown. I believe history will show us to be the big loser with this one. You dont pass up the opportunity to draft bonefide KP players for players that will never be KP players.

Morton for 35. No complaints.

McMahon for 19. Obscene. We rated Scott Selwood highly, then we trade away the pick that allows us to secure him. Brilliant. Once again could of kept the pick, grabbed Selwood and taken McMahon with the first pick of the preseason draft. Genuises.

Dont forget we actually traded for Patrick Bowden. ROFL

I'm going to have a cup of tea, a bex and a good lay down.

 

[DanA]

We've been smashed by small forwards for years because Newman and Raines are not good defensively if their matchup is isolated, McMahon is not great defensively either, and King is a dead set rover who will move to the centre (plus, he's arguably too short for many dangerous small forwards).

Could give you countless examples, but the 'Ebert and Motlop show' where they kicked 11 between them rd. 16 last year springs to mind, closely followed by the recent Corey, Grant, Campbell, Edwards bonanza of 16 goals. That's 27 goals over two games, while the opposition key forwards in those games got a combined total of 5 goals. Almost every small forward in the league hits their career high peak against us, and while that's partly due to the opportunities they get playing us, it's also because every opposition coach knows now that we are more vulnerable to good small forwards than talls.

We simply don't have a 'shut down' small defender who can keep us in the game when our midfield is down.

Be interesting to see if Collins gets blooded in that role seeing he played his junior football as a small defender.

Foley's an in and under player who can also bust out of packs, be ideal to add a similar mature midfielder with 4-5 very good years left.

Obviously that type of player is very difficult to snare, but we will have some significant cash freed up in the future.

You can't just write off four young senior players and say they are no good. Raines should have won the rising star a year ago as a lock down defender! All of them are AFL quality and it is up to Richmond to develop the defensive side of their game.

Cotchin is also a player that burst out off packs so you have two for the future. But you need also different types. You don't have a midfielder that tackles and finds plenty of the ball. That's where someone like Corey, Kerr, Hayes, Cross or Bartel could add more than an Ablett or another Foley.

 

[Rayzorwire]

LMAO! Small forwards?

"Corey" i assume is Corey jones who at 6'2 is a small forward is he?

Give me a break!

Jones is 187cm - 2-3cm taller than Raines and McMahon. In modern football terms, he's a medium at best.

I like the way the others are surname but he is "corey"

Simple editing mistake...you wish you could limit your riotous blunders to the same trivial level.

You can't just write off four young senior players and say they are no good. Raines should have won the rising star a year ago as a lock down defender!

I'm not 'writing off' Newman, McMahon or King (who I actually praised by saying he's bound for midfield), I'm just saying that a small defender who can shut down a good opponent better than they can would be a worthwhile acquisition. They're all rebounders, not players with a flair for shutting opponents down.

Raines' rising star year, he was played on the least dangerous forward because he was a rookie. He caught the eye because he ran and had a go in a static backline, not because he ever shut down anyone. The day he stepped up to the better forwards (because Newman was repeatedly failing), he failed just the same as Newman did. Beyond that, he's a poor decision maker and a lousy kick.

The fact he almost won a rising star is irrelevant to his actual AFL career as a senior player...he debuted late (late for Richmond at least) because he was a very average junior and he'll never get beyond that peak year because he doesn't have the tools to step up to bigger and better roles.

It's Jason Cloke all over again; looks a million bucks in the least accountable job, struggles massively anywhere else.

All of them are AFL quality and it is up to Richmond to develop the defensive side of their game.

Newman's been at the club for a decade. He gives his all defensively, but he's a rebounding small defender, not a player who can play accountably as a defender and shut good small forwards down. Never has been, never will be.

Cotchin is also a player that burst out off packs so you have two for the future.

It's pretty pointless IMO to talk about what a highly rated junior WILL do at AFL level. The AFL is full of junior 'midfield guns' who couldn't do what they did in juniors at the higher level.

But you need also different types. You don't have a midfielder that tackles and finds plenty of the ball. That's where someone like Corey, Kerr, Hayes, Cross or Bartel could add more than an Ablett or another Foley.

Shane Tuck is exactly that type of midfielder (albeit of less class than the above), Jackson and Polo show signs of being similar. Foley is far more in and under than Ablett.

 

[wart101]

i Think these guys are still human, even McMoHAn and it was always gonna take a little bit of time for him to settle into the side but i think after his last two games he's done ok by me!! one of our best players!!!