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I'll preface what I'm about to say by stating that I believe we currently have a significantly better list for future years than what we have had at any stage since Bartlett got dumped for not getting results fast enough.

The "Wasted Decade" thread title refers to the perpetual off-field debacles that have plagued this club since our last premiership.

At the end of this season we'll have (hopefully) honoured two successive 5yr contract spans with coaches, but in the process done absolutely nothing to remove the shameful and highly destructive tag that we 'eat our own' and are a completely dysfunctional club in almost constant turmoil. In actual fact, in the last year and last week we'll have enhanced that reputation to the point where it may well hang over the club's head forever just waiting for us to slip up again (even if we do have some success), rather than just the last couple of decades.

Fair enough, if you made a mistake and a coaching appointee is actually a poor coach who came in with no proven record, make a change, live and learn.

In Frawley's case, it was fairly obvious to much of the football world that he did actually fail in key areas - topping up when 2001 was a one-off season where a lot of things fell our way, not recruiting at all for the future, being solely responsible for making players like Fiora think they could coast through their first 100 games, continuing to foster a poor culture and attitude among senior and junior players, being a poor tactical coach etc.

Wallace however, may not be well loved, but he is very well respected as a coach in the highest football circles (i.e. coaches and 'smart' former and current players - NOT the media nitwits) for very good reason.

His head to head record against the best coaches of his era speaks for itself, as does the fact he was able to get enough from a ragtag bunch of willing goers at the Dogs to have them knocking off the 'invincible' Bombers who had arguably the best list on paper so far this century at the time.

His pace derived run and carry, hard-ball winning style of gameplan has been adopted at least in part by many other coaches and throughout his coaching career he's been a perpetual source of innovation and forward thinking.

Given our reputation, our miserable finances and the playing list at the end of 2004, we were incredibly fortunate to land a coach of Wallace's calibre.

How did the club react to this thoroughly undeserved stroke of fortune?

Obvious internal pressure to go from spoon winning club to finals contender immediately.

Coterie group members not only agitating for the return of Sheedy almost immediately after Wallace took over, but also offering to bankroll the coup...all while our football department was the most shamefully under-resourced in the comp and our clubrooms and facilities were a disgrace.

Expectations from within that many of our draft selections in the early Wallace years would become champions while still in their teens and early 20's.

The usual lack of grit and backbone from our few senior 'leaders' when Nathan Brown stopped performing miracles in '05.

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Meanwhile, Wallace patiently explained the state of our list in great detail, that it would take 6-7 years for our list to start peaking via the younger players (as opposed to the senior and mid-age players we already knew couldn't be relied upon often enough when it counted), and that he hoped that at the end of his 5yr contract we would be set up to play regular finals and over the following few years start gaining the experience and unity needed to seriously challenge for a flag.

Plain old common sense and a passing knowledge of the time it takes MOST juniors to become mature bodied, good AFL players indicates that he was spot on in his assessment.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an outright fool in the football sense.

Rather than take Wallace's realistic assessment onboard as solid, fact based wisdom...

We sacked Miller (the bloke who probably most sealed the deal for Wallace to come and work with us) and replaced him with the bloke who built the league cellar dweller's list after we yet again embarrassed ourselves by not being able to attract any genuinely worthwhile replacements.

We let a former player and now boardmember with apparently no media nouse whatsoever embarrass us in the media with very little repercussion.

Our club president very publicly turned the blowtorch on a proven senior coach employed to develop young players at the 3.5yr mark of his contract and that coach has had to suffer the resulting rumour, innuendo and consequences ever since, culminating in our latest 'oh so Richmond' farce.

We appointed a former captain who was a renowned political agitator and divider at the club who has obvious aspirations for the senior coaching job as an assistant coach.

We have a current captain and last year's captain allegedly going out of their way to get the coach sacked and certainly (once again) have a truckload of unaddressed dissent in the playing ranks.

Neverending humiliating leaks from internal sources have gone on for decades without ever being addressed with a zero tolerance policy which is enforced from the highest level down.

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Had we taken the Geelong route where a strong, long-sighted president decided the senior coach and head of the football department were the right men for the job and the best candidates we could attract, backed them absolutely at all times publicly, conducted a wide sweeping review undertaken by an external organisation, addressed our problems honestly at every level, and presented an always united front to the media and public, we would not be in our current abominable position.

Where will the genuine quality players we currently have be in a few years from now due to recent events?

Where will men like Steven Wright who have done so well for us be in a few years?

How did we manage to let football geniuses and outstanding communicators like Andy Collins slip from our grasp?

What chance do we have of attracting anyone genuinely capable of getting us back on track when internal incompetence from the highest level down which has nothing to do with actual football keeps derailing every attempt to get us back on track?

Wallace was and is a competent coach, savvy with the political stuff, self-confident, has a hide like an elephant, and was perceived as big enough to ride the usual Richmond BS.

And yet we've managed to shred him too.

I'm not upset about our results this season, they're merely disappointing in the short term.

What really upsets me is that the backroom 'powerbrokers' who have nothing to do with football in a playing or coaching sense have sabotaged and obliterated our club's reputation yet again and it seems that this will never, ever change.

The media will only hang you if you give them enough rope - we do it over and over again.

Every time it happens we get one step closer to being a club that nobody worthwhile wants to work for, play for, or be associated with at a professional level.

A couple of bumps in the road and hiccups in the long-term master plan and the wheels have totally fallen off yet again.

Until we fix the internal discipline and 'now not later' problems which go right to the top of the club's off-field heirarchy, we have no chance of improving.

Does anyone have the slightest bit of confidence that an internal mid-season review conducted by the same incompetent, backstabbing clowns who caused many of the problems is going to put us on the right track?

I don't and I can't see how anyone could, so where does that leave us?

Board coup?

A patron saint who doesn't appear to exist?

Or an endless repetition of the same old same old at Richmond?
 
The thing that makes a lot of what you said complete garbage is your overrating of the tiger list, a problem that has plagued us for years. No Wallace did not employ a youth policy, no he did not develop a list that will bring long term success, yes the list is still in bad shape. We have far too many list cloggers and fossils and that comes down to the decisions of Wallace and Miller. 3 National Draft picks in 3 out of the 5 years is indicative of the Richmond philosophy of neglecting the only source of long term revival, that being the draft. The last draft was another fiasco, and yes I think Cameron should also shoulder the blame for it. 2 kids taken in the last untampered draft was a disgrace, and while other clubs loaded up with kids (some like Hawthorn took 17 yr olds with late picks), we only took 3 picks and drafted another 30 yr old to add to the other 5. So yes Wallace was right it will take a long time to become a strong side, but the rate he is going we will never get there.

The major problem with the board has been their support for Wallace and co not lack of it. Just how much more support were they supposed to provide? They have always stuck to process and always said that Wallace is the RFC coach. They got sucked into Wallace's hype last year and allowed him to put our long term interests on hold to go for recycled players in the hope of extending a finals window. A pathetic strategy and one that has blown up in Wallace's and the RFCs face. You think if they came out and lavished praise for Wallace's poor record that we would be in a better situation? Delusional, our list is poor, the results are indicitive of that.
 
I'll preface what I'm about to say by stating that I believe we currently have a significantly better list for future years than what we have had at any stage since Bartlett got dumped for not getting results fast enough.

The "Wasted Decade" thread title refers to the perpetual off-field debacles that have plagued this club since our last premiership.

At the end of this season we'll have (hopefully) honoured two successive 5yr contract spans with coaches, but in the process done absolutely nothing to remove the shameful and highly destructive tag that we 'eat our own' and are a completely dysfunctional club in almost constant turmoil.

In actual fact, in the last year and last week we'll have enhanced that reputation to the point where it may well hang over the club's head forever just waiting for us to slip up again (even if we do have some success), rather than just the last couple of decades.

Fair enough, if you made a mistake and a coaching appointee is actually a poor coach who came in with no proven record, make a change, live and learn.
In Frawley's case, it was fairly obvious to much of the football world that he did actually fail in key areas - topping up when 2001 was a one-off season where a lot of things fell our way, not recruiting at all for the future, being solely responsible for making players like Fiora think they could coast through their first 100 games, continuing to foster a poor culture and attitude among senior and junior players, being a poor tactical coach etc.

Wallace however, may not be well loved, but he is very well respected as a coach in the highest football circles (i.e. coaches and 'smart' former and current players - NOT the media nitwits) for very good reason.

His head to head record against the best coaches of his era speaks for itself, as does the fact he was able to get enough from a ragtag bunch of willing goers at the Dogs to have them knocking off the 'invincible' Bombers who had arguably the best list on paper so far this century at the time.

His pace derived run and carry, hard-ball winning style of gameplan has been adopted at least in part by many other coaches and throughout his coaching career he's been a perpetual source of innovation and forward thinking.

Given our reputation, our miserable finances and the playing list at the end of 2004, we were incredibly fortunate to land a coach of Wallace's calibre.

How did the club react to this thoroughly undeserved stroke of fortune?

Obvious internal pressure to go from spoon winning club to finals contender immediately.

Coterie group members not only agitating for the return of Sheedy almost immediately after Wallace took over, but also offering to bankroll the coup...all while our football department was the most shamefully under-resourced in the comp and our clubrooms and facilities were a disgrace.

Expectations from within that many of our draft selections in the early Wallace years would become champions while still in their teens and early 20's.

The usual lack of grit and backbone from our few senior 'leaders' when Nathan Brown stopped performing miracles in '05.

--------------------------------------

Meanwhile, Wallace patiently explained the state of our list in great detail, that it would take 6-7 years for our list to start peaking via the younger players (as opposed to the senior and mid-age players we already knew couldn't be relied upon often enough when it counted), and that he hoped that at the end of his 5yr contract we would be set up to play regular finals and over the following few years start gaining the experience and unity needed to seriously challenge for a flag.

Plain old common sense and a passing knowledge of the time it takes MOST juniors to become mature bodied, good AFL players indicates that he was spot on in his assessment.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an outright fool in the football sense.

Rather than take Wallace's realistic assessment onboard as solid, fact based wisdom...

We sacked Miller (the bloke who probably most sealed the deal for Wallace to come and work with us) and replaced him with the bloke who built the league cellar dweller's list after we yet again embarrassed ourselves by not being able to attract any genuinely worthwhile replacements.

We let a former player and now boardmember with apparently no media nouse whatsoever embarrass us in the media with very little repercussion.

Our club president very publicly turned the blowtorch on a proven senior coach employed to develop young players at the 3.5yr mark of his contract and that coach has had to suffer the resulting rumour, innuendo and consequences ever since, culminating in our latest 'oh so Richmond' farce.

We appointed a former captain who was a renowned political agitator and divider at the club who has obvious aspirations for the senior coaching job as an assistant coach.

We have a current captain and last year's captain allegedly going out of their way to get the coach sacked and certainly (once again) have a truckload of unaddressed dissent in the playing ranks.

Neverending humiliating leaks from internal sources have gone on for decades without ever being addressed with a zero tolerance policy which is enforced from the highest level down.

----------------------------------------

Had we taken the Geelong route where a strong, long-sighted president decided the senior coach and head of the football department were the right men for the job and the best candidates we could attract, backed them absolutely at all times publicly, conducted a wide sweeping review undertaken by an external organisation, addressed our problems honestly at every level, and presented an always united front to the media and public, we would not be in our current abominable position.

Where will the genuine quality players we currently have be in a few years from now due to recent events?

Where will men like Steven Wright who have done so well for us be in a few years?

How did we manage to let football geniuses and outstanding communicators like Andy Collins slip from our grasp?

What chance do we have of attracting anyone genuinely capable of getting us back on track when internal incompetence from the highest level down which has nothing to do with actual football keeps derailing every attempt to get us back on track?

Wallace was and is a competent coach, savvy with the political stuff, self-confident, has a hide like an elephant, and was perceived as big enough to ride the usual Richmond BS.

And yet we've managed to shred him too.

I'm not upset about our results this season, they're merely disappointing in the short term.

What really upsets me is that the backroom 'powerbrokers' who have nothing to do with football in a playing or coaching sense have sabotaged and obliterated our club's reputation yet again and it seems that this will never, ever change.

The media will only hang you if you give them enough rope - we do it over and over again.

Every time it happens we get one step closer to being a club that nobody worthwhile wants to work for, play for, or be associated with at a professional level.

A couple of bumps in the road and hiccups in the long-term master plan and the wheels have totally fallen off yet again.

Until we fix the internal discipline and 'now not later' problems which go right to the top of the club's off-field heirarchy, we have no chance of improving.

Does anyone have the slightest bit of confidence that an internal mid-season review conducted by the same incompetent, backstabbing clowns who caused many of the problems is going to put us on the right track?

I don't and I can't see how anyone could, so where does that leave us?

Board coup?

A patron saint who doesn't appear to exist?

Or an endless repetition of the same old same old at Richmond?






Bits I found funny about ur ridiculous post....:D
 
Nobby, how on earth is "Plain old common sense and a passing knowledge of the time it takes MOST juniors to become mature bodied, good AFL players" funny, when in context?
 

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It's not a thread about your favourite hobby horse of drafting Beav, it's about club processes to achieve success and why we fail so miserably.

Wallace has never had anything resembling control of draft picks beyond having *some* input (and even that was removed last year), nor was he (or could he be) given the authority to implement a gung-ho youth policy and watch the club finances go further down the gurgler because nobody shows up and sponsors don't queue up to be associated with a perennial spoon side.

Essentially you're blaming him for Miller and Cameron's achievements (or lack of them if you prefer) and totally speculating about what his input actually was. For all you know, his major inputs into recruiting during his time at the club could well have been insisting on reversing Miller's apparent policy of trading every first round draft pick we ever got and strongly advocating the selection of a handful of draft picks who have turned out to be good players.

He may have argued for more draft selections to give players he knew full well were taking us nowhere the arse quicker and been overruled. Even the two ex-Bulldogs who came to the club during his time may well not have been even 50% his decision.

The overwhelming probability is that he (and Miller FWIW) was dealt the hand of 'success required ASAP' and had to do the best he could with that.

He's a coach, not our recruiter, not the entire selection committee, not the football manager, not the man who sets club policy.

As a gameday coach he's performed well when the players have given him something to work with, he's demonstrated his gameplan works very well when it's adhered to, he's always sold and promoted the club well in the media, he's always publicly stuck up for his players and that's most of all that he can do in his role.

Every other area he's been criticised for is at least partly someone else's responsibility also, but he cops the blame for everything except driving the train which hit Polak from some of you blokes.

Anyway, I've strayed off-topic myself somewhat, It'd be good to get back onto the off-field dilemna's which IMO are our biggest issue for the future.

Changing coach isn't going to change the areas we've truly blown it in and problems you do identify like Cameron's recruiting last draft actually stem from our very poor off-field processes and leadership, not Wallace.
 
it really has been, one action that sums it up is jordan mcmahon for pick 19, at a time when we were trying to build a team rather then put the finishing touches to one.
 

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its ok Tony Free's report back to the head clown will fix all :thumbsu:

It really defies belief Tony.

WASTED DECADE????

TRY THREE:eek:

"Wasted" in the sense that we could and should have forever shaken the tag of being a dysfunctional club who scapegoats coaches instead of fixing the culture problems which cause successive coaches to fail.


absolutely nothing to remove the shameful and highly destructive tag that we 'eat our own' and are a completely dysfunctional club in almost constant turmoil.

Coterie group members not only agitating for the return of Sheedy almost immediately after Wallace took over, but also offering to bankroll the coup...

You may find these things funny, I doubt many here do.

Nothing else you quoted makes any sense whatsoever to mock, but that in itself was revealing.


can someone summarise into 4 or 5 lines please ..the koran looks brief by comparrison:eek:

What point do you think there is in making fun of someone merely because they wrote a relatively long post?

You didn't annoy me in the slightest, so what did you achieve for your apparently precious time spent?
 
forgot to mention outstanding post Rayzor and for mine right on the money. :thumbsu:

anybody who doesn't think this club is rife with political backstabbing/maneuvering has nfi
 
Sorry Razor. Wallace takes some blame for our predicament.

Agree with the OP that we (as always) lost our nerve and ended a 5 year plan at the 3.5 yr mark, but Clarkson is testament to what Wallace should have done in his first year. Cut all the senior hacks and traded those that were tradable.

You cant tell me Kingsley was recruited against Wallace's wishes. He is a smart guy that would have used that example alone to cover his ars against future failures.

You're painting Wallace as some kind of innocent naive lamb trying to do the best job he can whilst the club hierarchy tied his hands behind his back and somehow gagged the best media connected coach in the caper.

Wallace is paying the price for not making hard enough decisions early enough. We still had Pettifer and Hyde running around last season FFS.

The footy club lost its nerve and caused this debacle to occur harder and faster than it otherwise would have. But Wallace could have walked last year. He knew what was coming the moment Free was running around unsettling his coaching staff and Campbell the all time great backstabber was shoved into his coaches box.
 
Sums everything up perfectly.

Coaches invariably become the scapegoats for board incompetence. The only logical reason to sack Wallace at this point is for the voard to save face.

It is a common misconception that coaches recruit players. At most, they tell a recruiter what to look for. The only coach that I can think of that made decisions at a draft was Sheedy and, well, there were some stinkers in there.

The inability to go for the youth policy when Wallace started was the result of the financial crisis at the club. I thought that was common knowledge.

The other misconception is that trading high draft picks for established players is evil. There is a much higher proportion of players taken late in a draft that don't make it than the ones that do. The opportunity to bring the footballing quality of a Ben Cousins reaches beyond the field on game day. He is a perfect footballing role model for players like Deledio and Cotchin. This is heightened by the lack of established experience players at Richmond.

Like the OP said Wallace has been a very good game day coach engineering victories against a rampant Adelaide (2006?) and defeating Hawthorn last year are the ones that stand out.

Wallace should be reappointed. Put the focus back on the players and the football department. Ideally keeping Wallace forces the board to clean up its act if further footballing disaster is to be avoided.
 
Sorry Razor. Wallace takes some blame for our predicament.

Of course he does mate, I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it, but lets apportion that blame fairly eh? With things we know are at least somewhat based in fact?

Agree with the OP that we (as always) lost our nerve and ended a 5 year plan at the 3.5 yr mark, but Clarkson is testament to what Wallace should have done in his first year. Cut all the senior hacks and traded those that were tradable.

Do you really believe Clarkson walked into Hawthorn and called all the shots on who goes, who stays and what their long term policy is?

I think he was told what key 'powerbrokers' wanted, given the neccessary support to carry out their wishes without fear for his job or fluctuating measures of 'success' in the short term, allowed to air his views and have an opinion, then left to apply his full attention to the job of coaching.

Clarkson had the support of a united board and other club powerbrokers, the list management and football department did their job very well, plus he had the benefit of a united, zero tolerance for BS playing group.

The results of that collaboration speaks for themselves.

Which of the above essential support did Wallace have?

None IMO, and that's what I'm getting at - not for Wallace's sake, for the future of the club.

Clarkson getting all the credit for the cuts made, for list management, recruiting decisions and setting club policy is a bit like Wallace getting all the blame for all those things - neither had or could possibly have had anything resembling the complete control they're being given credit/blame for.

You cant tell me Kingsley was recruited against Wallace's wishes.

Neither of us know mate.

Perhaps he suggested it, perhaps he went along with it for the sake of backing the football department (essentially Miller at that time) and keeping group unity, knowing that he'd won on the 'never trade a first draft pick for a Kane Johnson' front and letting Miller do the job we paid him for and have his follies?

We don't know, it's all speculation.

You're painting Wallace as some kind of innocent naive lamb trying to do the best job he can whilst the club hierarchy tied his hands behind his back and somehow gagged the best media connected coach in the caper.

What could he say publicly in the media that wouldn't be construed as HIM destabilising the club and being perceived as thinking he was bigger than the club?

Wallace is paying the price for not making hard enough decisions early enough. We still had Pettifer and Hyde running around last season FFS.

Again, whose decisions were they?

Do clubs pay blokes hundreds of thousands of dollars to head up the football department and recruit (Miller in our case for both jobs until recently) just for show, while the coaches actually hold all the power?

But Wallace could have walked last year. He knew what was coming the moment Free was running around unsettling his coaching staff and Campbell the all time great backstabber was shoved into his coaches box.

Yes, he could have flayed the club heirarchy with a 'tell-all' expose and really hammered us from his position on the outside with a ready-made media platform to do it from.

Instead he stayed knowing how hard this year was going to be if things went pear-shaped, backed his ability and backed the playing group to help redeem him as a coach and us as a club.

I think the latter was the morally right, gutsy choice to make - a choice made by a very proud (some would say very vain) man who loves football, loves coaching Richmond, and desperately wants it all to work out.

Certainly for his ego and reputation, no doubt, but which coach wouldn't feel the same? Their reputation is what their livelihood is based upon.
 

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I'll preface what I'm about to say by stating that I believe we currently have a significantly better list for future years than what we have had at any stage since Bartlett got dumped for not getting results fast enough.

The "Wasted Decade" thread title refers to the perpetual off-field debacles that have plagued this club since our last premiership.

At the end of this season we'll have (hopefully) honoured two successive 5yr contract spans with coaches, but in the process done absolutely nothing to remove the shameful and highly destructive tag that we 'eat our own' and are a completely dysfunctional club in almost constant turmoil. In actual fact, in the last year and last week we'll have enhanced that reputation to the point where it may well hang over the club's head forever just waiting for us to slip up again (even if we do have some success), rather than just the last couple of decades.

Fair enough, if you made a mistake and a coaching appointee is actually a poor coach who came in with no proven record, make a change, live and learn.

In Frawley's case, it was fairly obvious to much of the football world that he did actually fail in key areas - topping up when 2001 was a one-off season where a lot of things fell our way, not recruiting at all for the future, being solely responsible for making players like Fiora think they could coast through their first 100 games, continuing to foster a poor culture and attitude among senior and junior players, being a poor tactical coach etc.

Wallace however, may not be well loved, but he is very well respected as a coach in the highest football circles (i.e. coaches and 'smart' former and current players - NOT the media nitwits) for very good reason.

His head to head record against the best coaches of his era speaks for itself, as does the fact he was able to get enough from a ragtag bunch of willing goers at the Dogs to have them knocking off the 'invincible' Bombers who had arguably the best list on paper so far this century at the time.

His pace derived run and carry, hard-ball winning style of gameplan has been adopted at least in part by many other coaches and throughout his coaching career he's been a perpetual source of innovation and forward thinking.

Given our reputation, our miserable finances and the playing list at the end of 2004, we were incredibly fortunate to land a coach of Wallace's calibre.

How did the club react to this thoroughly undeserved stroke of fortune?

Obvious internal pressure to go from spoon winning club to finals contender immediately.

Coterie group members not only agitating for the return of Sheedy almost immediately after Wallace took over, but also offering to bankroll the coup...all while our football department was the most shamefully under-resourced in the comp and our clubrooms and facilities were a disgrace.

Expectations from within that many of our draft selections in the early Wallace years would become champions while still in their teens and early 20's.

The usual lack of grit and backbone from our few senior 'leaders' when Nathan Brown stopped performing miracles in '05.

--------------------------------------

Meanwhile, Wallace patiently explained the state of our list in great detail, that it would take 6-7 years for our list to start peaking via the younger players (as opposed to the senior and mid-age players we already knew couldn't be relied upon often enough when it counted), and that he hoped that at the end of his 5yr contract we would be set up to play regular finals and over the following few years start gaining the experience and unity needed to seriously challenge for a flag.

Plain old common sense and a passing knowledge of the time it takes MOST juniors to become mature bodied, good AFL players indicates that he was spot on in his assessment.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an outright fool in the football sense.

Rather than take Wallace's realistic assessment onboard as solid, fact based wisdom...

We sacked Miller (the bloke who probably most sealed the deal for Wallace to come and work with us) and replaced him with the bloke who built the league cellar dweller's list after we yet again embarrassed ourselves by not being able to attract any genuinely worthwhile replacements.

We let a former player and now boardmember with apparently no media nouse whatsoever embarrass us in the media with very little repercussion.

Our club president very publicly turned the blowtorch on a proven senior coach employed to develop young players at the 3.5yr mark of his contract and that coach has had to suffer the resulting rumour, innuendo and consequences ever since, culminating in our latest 'oh so Richmond' farce.

We appointed a former captain who was a renowned political agitator and divider at the club who has obvious aspirations for the senior coaching job as an assistant coach.

We have a current captain and last year's captain allegedly going out of their way to get the coach sacked and certainly (once again) have a truckload of unaddressed dissent in the playing ranks.

Neverending humiliating leaks from internal sources have gone on for decades without ever being addressed with a zero tolerance policy which is enforced from the highest level down.

----------------------------------------

Had we taken the Geelong route where a strong, long-sighted president decided the senior coach and head of the football department were the right men for the job and the best candidates we could attract, backed them absolutely at all times publicly, conducted a wide sweeping review undertaken by an external organisation, addressed our problems honestly at every level, and presented an always united front to the media and public, we would not be in our current abominable position.

Where will the genuine quality players we currently have be in a few years from now due to recent events?

Where will men like Steven Wright who have done so well for us be in a few years?

How did we manage to let football geniuses and outstanding communicators like Andy Collins slip from our grasp?

What chance do we have of attracting anyone genuinely capable of getting us back on track when internal incompetence from the highest level down which has nothing to do with actual football keeps derailing every attempt to get us back on track?

Wallace was and is a competent coach, savvy with the political stuff, self-confident, has a hide like an elephant, and was perceived as big enough to ride the usual Richmond BS.

And yet we've managed to shred him too.

I'm not upset about our results this season, they're merely disappointing in the short term.

What really upsets me is that the backroom 'powerbrokers' who have nothing to do with football in a playing or coaching sense have sabotaged and obliterated our club's reputation yet again and it seems that this will never, ever change.

The media will only hang you if you give them enough rope - we do it over and over again.

Every time it happens we get one step closer to being a club that nobody worthwhile wants to work for, play for, or be associated with at a professional level.

A couple of bumps in the road and hiccups in the long-term master plan and the wheels have totally fallen off yet again.

Until we fix the internal discipline and 'now not later' problems which go right to the top of the club's off-field heirarchy, we have no chance of improving.

Does anyone have the slightest bit of confidence that an internal mid-season review conducted by the same incompetent, backstabbing clowns who caused many of the problems is going to put us on the right track?

I don't and I can't see how anyone could, so where does that leave us?

Board coup?

A patron saint who doesn't appear to exist?

Or an endless repetition of the same old same old at Richmond?

:thumbsu::thumbsu: someone needed to say it as it is
 
Wallace however, may not be well loved, but he is very well respected as a coach in the highest football circles (i.e. coaches and 'smart' former and current players - NOT the media nitwits) for very good reason.

His head to head record against the best coaches of his era speaks for itself, as does the fact he was able to get enough from a ragtag bunch of willing goers at the Dogs to have them knocking off the 'invincible' Bombers who had arguably the best list on paper so far this century at the time.
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The above comments summarise how far off the mark you are.

You're living in the past, holding up Wallace's reputation. Who cares what he did with the dogs in another decade when the game was played differently. Who cares what his record is against the best coaches. Does that win you a premiership? Only if you make the finals.

All I care about is his record over 4 and a half years and how well he has developed a team and it's young list. He's failed. Some of the players may be duds, but he picked them, he played them, he feed them instructions.
 
I'll preface what I'm about to say by stating that I believe we currently have a significantly better list for future years than what we have had at any stage since Bartlett got dumped for not getting results fast enough.

The "Wasted Decade" thread title refers to the perpetual off-field debacles that have plagued this club since our last premiership.

At the end of this season we'll have (hopefully) honoured two successive 5yr contract spans with coaches, but in the process done absolutely nothing to remove the shameful and highly destructive tag that we 'eat our own' and are a completely dysfunctional club in almost constant turmoil. In actual fact, in the last year and last week we'll have enhanced that reputation to the point where it may well hang over the club's head forever just waiting for us to slip up again (even if we do have some success), rather than just the last couple of decades.

Fair enough, if you made a mistake and a coaching appointee is actually a poor coach who came in with no proven record, make a change, live and learn.

In Frawley's case, it was fairly obvious to much of the football world that he did actually fail in key areas - topping up when 2001 was a one-off season where a lot of things fell our way, not recruiting at all for the future, being solely responsible for making players like Fiora think they could coast through their first 100 games, continuing to foster a poor culture and attitude among senior and junior players, being a poor tactical coach etc.

Wallace however, may not be well loved, but he is very well respected as a coach in the highest football circles (i.e. coaches and 'smart' former and current players - NOT the media nitwits) for very good reason.

His head to head record against the best coaches of his era speaks for itself, as does the fact he was able to get enough from a ragtag bunch of willing goers at the Dogs to have them knocking off the 'invincible' Bombers who had arguably the best list on paper so far this century at the time.

His pace derived run and carry, hard-ball winning style of gameplan has been adopted at least in part by many other coaches and throughout his coaching career he's been a perpetual source of innovation and forward thinking.

Given our reputation, our miserable finances and the playing list at the end of 2004, we were incredibly fortunate to land a coach of Wallace's calibre.

How did the club react to this thoroughly undeserved stroke of fortune?

Obvious internal pressure to go from spoon winning club to finals contender immediately.

Coterie group members not only agitating for the return of Sheedy almost immediately after Wallace took over, but also offering to bankroll the coup...all while our football department was the most shamefully under-resourced in the comp and our clubrooms and facilities were a disgrace.

Expectations from within that many of our draft selections in the early Wallace years would become champions while still in their teens and early 20's.

The usual lack of grit and backbone from our few senior 'leaders' when Nathan Brown stopped performing miracles in '05.

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Meanwhile, Wallace patiently explained the state of our list in great detail, that it would take 6-7 years for our list to start peaking via the younger players (as opposed to the senior and mid-age players we already knew couldn't be relied upon often enough when it counted), and that he hoped that at the end of his 5yr contract we would be set up to play regular finals and over the following few years start gaining the experience and unity needed to seriously challenge for a flag.

Plain old common sense and a passing knowledge of the time it takes MOST juniors to become mature bodied, good AFL players indicates that he was spot on in his assessment.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an outright fool in the football sense.

Rather than take Wallace's realistic assessment onboard as solid, fact based wisdom...

We sacked Miller (the bloke who probably most sealed the deal for Wallace to come and work with us) and replaced him with the bloke who built the league cellar dweller's list after we yet again embarrassed ourselves by not being able to attract any genuinely worthwhile replacements.

We let a former player and now boardmember with apparently no media nouse whatsoever embarrass us in the media with very little repercussion.

Our club president very publicly turned the blowtorch on a proven senior coach employed to develop young players at the 3.5yr mark of his contract and that coach has had to suffer the resulting rumour, innuendo and consequences ever since, culminating in our latest 'oh so Richmond' farce.

We appointed a former captain who was a renowned political agitator and divider at the club who has obvious aspirations for the senior coaching job as an assistant coach.

We have a current captain and last year's captain allegedly going out of their way to get the coach sacked and certainly (once again) have a truckload of unaddressed dissent in the playing ranks.

Neverending humiliating leaks from internal sources have gone on for decades without ever being addressed with a zero tolerance policy which is enforced from the highest level down.

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Had we taken the Geelong route where a strong, long-sighted president decided the senior coach and head of the football department were the right men for the job and the best candidates we could attract, backed them absolutely at all times publicly, conducted a wide sweeping review undertaken by an external organisation, addressed our problems honestly at every level, and presented an always united front to the media and public, we would not be in our current abominable position.

Where will the genuine quality players we currently have be in a few years from now due to recent events?

Where will men like Steven Wright who have done so well for us be in a few years?

How did we manage to let football geniuses and outstanding communicators like Andy Collins slip from our grasp?

What chance do we have of attracting anyone genuinely capable of getting us back on track when internal incompetence from the highest level down which has nothing to do with actual football keeps derailing every attempt to get us back on track?

Wallace was and is a competent coach, savvy with the political stuff, self-confident, has a hide like an elephant, and was perceived as big enough to ride the usual Richmond BS.

And yet we've managed to shred him too.

I'm not upset about our results this season, they're merely disappointing in the short term.

What really upsets me is that the backroom 'powerbrokers' who have nothing to do with football in a playing or coaching sense have sabotaged and obliterated our club's reputation yet again and it seems that this will never, ever change.

The media will only hang you if you give them enough rope - we do it over and over again.

Every time it happens we get one step closer to being a club that nobody worthwhile wants to work for, play for, or be associated with at a professional level.

A couple of bumps in the road and hiccups in the long-term master plan and the wheels have totally fallen off yet again.

Until we fix the internal discipline and 'now not later' problems which go right to the top of the club's off-field heirarchy, we have no chance of improving.

Does anyone have the slightest bit of confidence that an internal mid-season review conducted by the same incompetent, backstabbing clowns who caused many of the problems is going to put us on the right track?

I don't and I can't see how anyone could, so where does that leave us?

Board coup?

A patron saint who doesn't appear to exist?

Or an endless repetition of the same old same old at Richmond?


thanks terry

this routine of yours is getting old:thumbsd:
 
Sorry Razor. Wallace takes some blame for our predicament.

Agree with the OP that we (as always) lost our nerve and ended a 5 year plan at the 3.5 yr mark, but Clarkson is testament to what Wallace should have done in his first year. Cut all the senior hacks and traded those that were tradable.

You cant tell me Kingsley was recruited against Wallace's wishes. He is a smart guy that would have used that example alone to cover his ars against future failures.

You're painting Wallace as some kind of innocent naive lamb trying to do the best job he can whilst the club hierarchy tied his hands behind his back and somehow gagged the best media connected coach in the caper.

Wallace is paying the price for not making hard enough decisions early enough. We still had Pettifer and Hyde running around last season FFS.

The footy club lost its nerve and caused this debacle to occur harder and faster than it otherwise would have. But Wallace could have walked last year. He knew what was coming the moment Free was running around unsettling his coaching staff and Campbell the all time great backstabber was shoved into his coaches box.

about 70% right '80....i differ that he made a cluster **** of profiling the right type of recruits and the success of player development over the journey is next to non existent ...I rate those two factors as more influential than sacking a couple more of the vets
 

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