WC game

[Ted's Robot]

Couldn't see the game. Can anyone give a review can't wait for 2morrows paper. Also how bad are Nathan and Robbo's injuries? I hope not 2 bad cos those 2 players will be sorely missed. Feeling very depressed.

 

[Mead]

Here were my thoughts on our performance... sorry, they're a bit coast'o'centric, but thats life, neh? So yeah, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly

The Absolutely Bloody Superlatively Fantastic- Glen Jakovich. Not only was Jako best on ground, he was best by an extremely large margin- Mopped up everything off halfback, thrashed every guy who was put on him, picked up 22 possessions, took eight marks, including mark of the day, and dished out a (literally) bone crunching hip and shoulder. Not just vintage Jako, better than vintage!

The Good- For us, Gaspar cemented his spot in the side with a solid, competent performance and two goals. Cousins was good if not brilliant, Phil Matera looked dangerous, and Gardiner probably had the best of the ruck duel. Kerr bounced back after a couple of disappointing weeks, Judd continued with his excellent form, Glass did a competent job on Grant and Williams certainly didn't disappoint. The delivery into the forward line hurt Wilson, but he still kicked 4, taking him to 15 for the season, and two clear of the next highest goal kicker in the league- Coleman Medal here we come!
For them- Kingsley Hunter did a serviceable job on Wilson, Garlick played Cousins reasonably well and gathered 19 possies of his own, Scott West probably was second best on ground after Jako, and Giansiracusa ran rampant, although his game was hurt by poor accuracy, kicking 2 goals 6.

The Bad- For us, Banfield struggled again and aside from a solitary goal in the dying minutes, Haynes was not sighted. Fletcher was average with only 11 possessions and a goal, and still needs to do more to cement his spot.
For them, Grant underperformed with only 8 possessions, although in his defense he did kick a couple of goals.. The poor three unlucky schmoes who were put on Jakovich were humiliated one after another,whilst Brad Johnson spoiled an otherwise reasonable performance with poor kicking.

The Ugly- First things first, the kicking- both teams kicked ordinarily on goals, although the Bulldogs excelled themselves, kicking an amazing 11 goals 15 behinds.
Our skills were still not quite where they need to be, with several costly turnovers including a hilarious five metre kick off the mark by Jakovich deep in defense (Glen's only blemish on an otherwise flawless performance), which could have cost us except the Bulldogs player picked it up, snapped from thirty metres out, and put it out of bounds on the full. If we're going to beat the good teams in the competition we have to improve.
Meanwhile, the umpiring was bad-to-very bad, with the usual quota of wrong, bloody wrong, and outright inexplicable decisions. Depressingly enough, i'm having trouble remembering when i last saw a well umpired game.
Also bizarre was a Bulldogs kick on goal from fifty, which sailed into the goal line, hit the ground, i swear, five cm out from the goal line, and sat there without bouncing until Jakovich ran back and gathered... What the hell?
Meanwhile, full sympathy to the dogs' two serious injuries during the game... brings back nightmare memories of last year, when we couldn't seem to get through a game without severely injuring a few players... Better luck next time guys!

 

[Gordo]

Mead I disagree that Hunter did a servicable job on Wilson. He allowed Wilson to get way too far ahead of him many times and appeared to be very slow for alot of the day.

We need to improve our goalkicking fast. Grant, Guido, Garlick all missed fairly easy chances to score when we desperately needed to. I thought we were very ordinary in the first half, wasted many chances and allowed them to get too far ahead of us. I know Phil Matera wasn't dominant, but the choice of Liberatore on him was not the right one. He was too quick for Libba and why Wallace persists with this matchup is beyond me.

West was our best player by far. Grant was servicable but we need more out of him. Darcy could've done better, Guido should've been more accurate but he wasn't the only one.

One other thing is that crucial kick by Johnson at the start of the last quarter that looked like was going through for a goal, but bounced high in the opposite direction for Jakovich to collect. How unlucky was that? Who knows what could have happened if that kick went through.

All I can say is we've got a lot of work to do if we want to test Brisbane.

 

[Mead]

Before you knock Hunter's job on Wilson, keep in mind that so far, four goals are the least the big fella's kicked so far this season- two of which were kicked in rubbish time towards the end. Wilson probably beat him in the end, but i think Hunter's tactic of playing in front was as close as anyone's got to beating him as yet... Keep in mind Wilson had around 15 kilos and ten cm on him, and also is an ex 100m runner. Mark my words, this season Wilson is going to be a serious threat for the Coleman.
Anyway, on your team, your inaccuracy kicking on goal probably hurt the worst, although we weren't that crash hot either- how many posters were there?
I also noted that wierd kick by Johnson in the last corner- freaky, it just got to the line and.. sat there- very strange.
Also, whats the story with the injuries?

 

[jod23]

That Johnson kick was hilarious....and who was there to mop up...none other than Jako. What a champ.

 

[jim440]

Originally posted by Mead
Before you knock Hunter's job on Wilson, keep in mind that so far, four goals are the least the big fella's kicked so far this season- two of which were kicked in rubbish time towards the end. Wilson probably beat him in the end, but i think Hunter's tactic of playing in front was as close as anyone's got to beating him as yet... Keep in mind Wilson had around 15 kilos and ten cm on him, and also is an ex 100m runner. Mark my words, this season Wilson is going to be a serious threat for the Coleman.
Anyway, on your team, your inaccuracy kicking on goal probably hurt the worst, although we weren't that crash hot either- how many posters were there?
I also noted that wierd kick by Johnson in the last corner- freaky, it just got to the line and.. sat there- very strange.
Also, whats the story with the injuries?

I thought that was Hunters worst game for the club in ages. You're carrying on as if Wilson is Matthew Lloyd.

Wilson is just a player.

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by jim440


I thought that was Hunters worst game for the club in ages. You're carrying on as if Wilson is Matthew Lloyd.

Wilson is just a player.

...as is Matthew Lloyd. As a matter of fact Wilson happens to be currently leading the league in goals kicked. Maybe I am carrying on about him (ye gods, its been so long since we've had a forward worth raving about), but he is bloody quick on the lead, a great mark overhead, and bigger and stronger than virtually every other full forward. Trust me, you'll be hearing a lot more about him
Early days indeed, but this guy is a quality full forward- and as I said, of the first three games this season, Hunter did the best job on him. But hell, he's your player, knock him if you want!

 

[jim440]

Originally posted by Mead

...as is Matthew Lloyd. As a matter of fact Wilson happens to be currently leading the league in goals kicked. Maybe I am carrying on about him (ye gods, its been so long since we've had a forward worth raving about), but he is bloody quick on the lead, a great mark overhead, and bigger and stronger than virtually every other full forward. Trust me, you'll be hearing a lot more about him
Early days indeed, but this guy is a quality full forward- and as I said, of the first three games this season, Hunter did the best job on him. But hell, he's your player, knock him if you want!

Why has Wilson (what is he, 29-30?) suddenly turned into a gun. Last year he only kicked 44 goals for the season. Brad Johnson is a winger, and he kicked more than that.

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by jim440


Why has Wilson (what is he, 29-30?) suddenly turned into a gun. Last year he only kicked 44 goals for the season. Brad Johnson is a winger, and he kicked more than that.

Last year he played 18 games for a start, not the full season.

Secondly, in those 18 games where we were getting beaten badly (ie 40+ points), KJ would bench him even if he didn't do anything wrong. KJ figured that if the side was getting thrashed, put on an extra defender and take the FF off. Didn't work particularly well.

Thirdly, Wilson had to battle with Cummings for the FF spot. Wilson likes space, Cummings does as well. They weren't going to work well with each other on paper, and ultimately, during the season they got into each others way.

Fourthly, his kicking accuracy has improved. Last year he kicked 40 goals, but also something like 25 points. This season he has kicked 15 goals, 4 behinds in 3 games.

LMAO, he will slow down (number of goals wise) but I would still pencil him in for around 60-80 goals this season.

 

[bunsen burner]

If I were a Bulldog supporter, I would be concerned.

That was a frustrating game to watch as the skill level was so bad. How bad was the disposal, and how many soft turnovers were there (particularly intercepts)?

Being an Eagles supporter, I couldn't really complain. The Eagles were tested once again, and when the going got tough the Eagles got over the line. The Eagles skill level needs vast improvement, but what is good to see is that they are ten times mentally tougher than last year. This alone should ensure that the Eagles skill level can and will improve.

As for the Bulldogs, the writing is on the wall. To lose to an Eagles team that were making that many mistakes must be hard to take. I think it shows where the two clubs are right now. The Eagles are on the way up, but sadly the Doggies are where the eagles were two or three years ago - ageing champs who aren't getting any younger, and a bunch of rookies who are maturing quick enough.

Wallace is a good coach, and had a team that nearly went the distance a few years ago. He is stale, and with this group of players, it is unlikely he will go anywhere. He needs a change of team and the team needs a change of coach.

 

[dancingdoggie17]

Personally i think that if that there are 2 sets of rules...jakovich knocks sum1 out, breaks theyre collarbone, claims he had eyes only for the ball (which bloody one!?) which, by the way he had no idea of going anywhere near, so he shouldn't have even bothered with that line, at least say you were going for the shepard, and then gets told hes great and he had a really good game! WOT THE..? if one of our guys did that they would be automatically expelled from the game and probably put in a detention centre with the refugees. (i have noticed thats how this country deals with its "problems")

its all rubbish and someone should have at least said something bad about it..but no, it was agaist the bulldogs!

 

[bunsen burner]

dancindoggie:

What is that on your shoulder? At first I thought it was a chip, but on closer inspection, I found it was a actually a fish and chip shop.

Get your hand off it, and get over it. And remove that fish and chip shop off your shoulder.

That was a fair hip and shoulder and your man came off second best. You're kidding yourself if you think the Bulldogs don't deserve their bad name. They are dirty. Everyone except Bulldogs supporters know they are dirty.

What do you have to say about that? conspiracy?

Thsst.

 

[K9-54]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
That was a fair hip and shoulder and your man came off second best.

Correct.

Originally posted by bunsen burner
You're kidding yourself if you think the Bulldogs don't deserve their bad name. They are dirty.

Rubbish. A media beat up unsupportable by evidence and perpetuated by those incapable of making their own decisions.

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Everyone except Bulldogs supporters know they are dirty.

Another generalisation that is again not supported by facts.

 

[Iso]

Any Dogs been convicted of biting opponents?

 

[jod23]

That bump was fair and im sure all Bulldogs supporters know it was. Both guys went for the footy, then they clashed, its a pity that Robbins came off second best. I think the Bulldogs would rather have Robbins go for the ball like he did, putting his body on the line, rather than squirming out of the contest and letting Jako take the ball away.

 

[Goldenblue]

Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
Personally i think that if that there are 2 sets of rules...jakovich knocks sum1 out, breaks theyre collarbone, claims he had eyes only for the ball (which bloody one!?)

Both eyes were for the ball. It was a fair hip and shoulder to Robbins, who unfortunately did break his collarbone. Bad luck for the young fella, but its all part of the game. Apart from the fact he is now injured, I am sure Robbins would understand it is all part of the game and it was a fair hip and shoulder.

There was nothing malicious about this from Jakovich.....

 

[Curly5]

Originally posted by bunsen burner


You're kidding yourself if you think the Bulldogs don't deserve their bad name. They are dirty. Everyone except Bulldogs supporters know they are dirty.

What do you have to say about that? conspiracy?

Thsst.

That's pretty rich, coming from a team coached by the biggest THUG ever, Worsfold, and with two of the biggest thugs still playing, the Materas. Just describe, for the benefit of all of us, what the Bulldogs did on Sunday that was so dirty, if you can that is.

No conspiracy, just myths and legends and moronic baseless jibes like yours.

This is what I have to say about you... Pffftt!!

 

[Goldenblue]

Originally posted by Curly5

No conspiracy, just myths and legends and moronic baseless jibes like yours.

This is what I have to say about you... Pffftt!!

No, there is no conspiracy on either side. You simply lost by the better team on the day. Deal with it......

All teams have their dirty players.....Libba aint exactly an angel is he? yes, Lewie bit viney a decade ago, but geeze, Libba knows how to eye gouge....

Both players were dealt with the tribunal and sentence passed.

They did their time, now lets get back to playing football instead of bitching and moaning.....

 

[bunsen burner]

Curly5:

I never said that the Bulldogs were dirty last weekend. I did, however, mention that they have a reputation for being dirty. I think it is deserved and called for, and it amazes me that it is only WB supporters who think it isn't.

 

[Chops]

Opposition supporters and the media may imply that we are dirty just as much as opposition supporters and the media imply West Coast players are on the roids.

 

[Curly5]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Curly5:

I think it is deserved and called for, and it amazes me that it is only WB supporters who think it isn't.

Except that you and other non Bulldog supporters continually fail to come up with the evidence, other than 3 or 4 isolated incidents (far fewer than other clubs) spanning about 10 years, that are harped on constantly. One player's misdemeanours don't equate to "The Bulldogs", just as Worsfold's sniping, Matera's knock-out elbows, Philip Read's constant illegal hits, etc etc, wouldn't in your eyes mean that the Eagles deserve to be called dirty. (and yet....? )

Isn't it time to either put up or shut up?

 

[dogboy23]

Yes it was a fair bump and yes we were out played but how a west coast supporter could call us dirty is staggering.Ill take our 3 or so incidents over yours anyday.You could bring other ones up but our players were found not guilty and we could easily bring up things where your players were found not guilty just as Browny and Libba did.

 

[jim440]

Chris Lewis. Munch, munch, munch.

Todd Viney, count your fingers.

 

[Mr. Walker]

To get back to the actual game for a minute.

Did Mitch Hahn get a run on the ball? I have concerns about our exclusive recruiting of light-bodied onballers (prior to this years draft). We do not seem to go for the heavier running types such as voss, buckley or the johnsons from Essendon. IMO Libber and West are our only in and under players with no one else capable of forcing their way into a pack and busting it open or reefing out the ball.

With two of our key onballers injured in this game, I thought that Mitch may have got some time on the ball and I would appreciate a comment on how he went if this did occur.


P.S. I am trying to work out how to use the quote function if there is one so bear with me a little while. I only just got the hang of the carbon paper in the type writer and now they introduce this electronic mail on me. Who would have thought the japanese would be clever enough to invent all this stuff with that giant lizard continually wrecking their cities and all!

 

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Mr. Walker
To get back to the actual game for a minute.

Did Mitch Hahn get a run on the ball? I have concerns about our exclusive recruiting of light-bodied onballers (prior to this years draft). We do not seem to go for the heavier running types such as voss, buckley or the johnsons from Essendon. IMO Libber and West are our only in and under players with no one else capable of forcing their way into a pack and busting it open or reefing out the ball.

With two of our key onballers injured in this game, I thought that Mitch may have got some time on the ball and I would appreciate a comment on how he went if this did occur.


P.S. I am trying to work out how to use the quote function if there is one so bear with me a little while. I only just got the hang of the carbon paper in the type writer and now they introduce this electronic mail on me. Who would have thought the japanese would be clever enough to invent all this stuff with that giant lizard continually wrecking their cities and all!

The area you refer to (recruiting of light bodied midfielders) has probably been the biggest talking point on this board pre season.It is definetly a big problem and Mitch is close to the only player to suit our requirements for that position.He played well there against North in patches but a question mark remains over his pace and abilty to run with the type of players you speak of.

I have my own theories about the obvious lack of foresight in not drafting that type of player.IMO it is the plan of Wallace to create a side suited to colonial and more out flooding teams than out playing them.If you look at it we have drafted all players who cover the ground quickly and are good aerobically and anaerobically.They are also great uses of the ball and read the play very well.These are all vital when flooding heavily.I hope I am wrong because that would be terrible but I am not the first person to have noted this.