We Should Be Aiming For Four

[1980GFVideo]

We are a club that gives rousing receptions to any team that can make it to a preliminary final.

They dont even have to be in the game for any part of it before we start singing the song and hardly turn up for the next season.

Baby steps perhaps.......

 

[Ralll]

The two most successful sides in modern history have three flags to their credit - Brisbane and Geelong.

A young footballer and aspirational leader who walks into the RFC and has the red carpet rolled out, needs to have a burning passion to create a Richmond dynasty which matches or exceeds the above legacies.

One premiership will do everyone, apparently, but that's not where our end goal should really lie if we're determined to become the best again and stay there.

Discuss.

The thread is not about Cotchin, it's about successful football clubs and what it takes to build them.

Reads as though this thread is in response to Cotchins comments.

but anyway...
We're not throwing away top picks anymore. (not putting the pressure on the coach to get success within a specified timeline that caused the trading of high picks)...tick
We're building a culture of sustained competitiveness from the ground up...tick
We're slowly but surely improving as the seasons go by...tick(thus far in Dimmas reign)

We're attempting to do exactly what you're hoping for...sustained success.
Whether or not Dimma is near his coaching ceiling, and wont be able to take us further forward, thus needing a better coach will be played out over the next year.

As for now, we're going along fine at 5-3 after improving every season under the Dimma/Gale leadership.

Our team atm isnt top4 material under any coach imo. (well maybe Lyon but who wants to watch that gamestyle)

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

Our Ferguson awaits, HMick.

I lament the rise of the professional footballer.

It had to happen, the fact that some players at some clubs didn't have to really work while for other clubs, every single one of their players did, made things inherently unfair.

But I think we lost something irreplaceable along the way.

Men used to approach football as a very welcome release to the realities of the rest of their life. It was a celebration of manhood, never a burden like these whinging, privileged boys make it out to be. That feeling and the bond formed with the men who shared the same sort of life, was there until the day they died. Nowadays, it's a high paid profession, you make your money and you move on to 'better things.' Apparently these days, the better you are, the sooner you can retire.

Awesome post Rayzor, can't agree more.
Email this to the club... Maybe to Tiger tiger burning bright dude. See what he makes of it.
Reality is it's just a job to AFL players now. Only we the fans invest the emotion.

 

[BF Tiger]

I guess I seriously question the 'once is enough' mentality so many seem to have.

IMO, we should be aiming for 3-4 flags in the next decade, never missing finals, playing deep into finals series and becoming Richmond again.

I get it, but 17 other clubs have the same idea. Any premiership is hard earnt, so to win more than one is well above odds.

 

[mcuzzy]

Men used to approach football as a very welcome release to the realities of the rest of their life. It was a celebration of manhood, never a burden like these whinging, privileged boys make it out to be. That feeling and the bond formed with the men who shared the same sort of life, was there until the day they died. Nowadays, it's a high paid profession, you make your money and you move on to 'better things.' Apparently these days, the better you are, the sooner you can retire.

Well duh..They had training like twice a week then a game.

It's now a full time professional job and they struggle to escape it. not only are you an athlete, but also an employee of a very rich business and you have to be at the ready almost 24/7

They now have:

- general training
- 3-5 weight sessions
- structured running sessions
- mobility and prehabilitation sessions
- yoga and other relaxation methods including phschlogical
- crossfit training
- touch sessions (with the footy you pervs)
- structured diets and routines they have to do away from training
- psychology (like i said previously, players struggle to cope with the famous athlete lifestyle and the amount of work needed. the injured players do more psychology than others usually)
- recovery (involves touch session, swim, ice baths, stretching, massage etc.)
- sponsor commitments - usually just a bit of fun but it's still compulsory work and a commitment
- also the game generally is a lot harder than it used to be, the level of footy back then would be laughed at by coaches at local level in the 2nd team

 

[Wacky Tiger]

let's take it one flag at a time....

not that old cliche

 

[Groupie_]

I'll be happy when we get to 25

 

[Spluff]

- crossfit training

Lol'd.

 

[BC9_]

Discuss.

Well, err, I'll start by saying err....

 

[Jimmybob]

12 flags. We need at least 7 to be number one. Another 3 to open up a gap on the Scum, Filth & Bummers and 2 more for good measure.

**** it... 16 flags - another 3 after that to rub their noses in it and 1 more just to take the piss.

Didn't we just root 22 chicks wearing blue & red last Sunday?

I think we need one of these in here because you're on FIRE!

 

[Livonski]

I totally agree with you on this Rayzorwire. It's how I enjoyed my footy and the mates I went into battle with and won flags with are truly mates for life.
Problem I have though is that the world has changed since then, probably not for the better as far as tribal footy goes, but changed nonetheless.
I don't blame betting (Waterhouse et al), it's the appeal of our game that attracts all forms of corporate interest. From companies paying gazillions for grand final tickets to TV networks paying billions to televise it. THose billions were always going to find there way to the pockets of the stars. Nothing you can do about it, and neither should we, the players are the central plank the adoration is built on.
So I think you and I can remain tribal and maintain the passion that grew in us from younger days, but I think the rock stars will no doubt continue to behave more like...rock stars.

 

[mcuzzy]

Lol'd.

wut? i've missed the joke

 

[turtle27]

I was completely serious, I want Man Utd levels of domination & success.

We all do, but unfortunately impossible in the AFL.

 

[Madison]

The lid is off!!

We're 5-3, we should win four flags on the trot! Anything less and this dynasty will have underachieved!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

If we don't win 4 flags, Dimma has failed .
Just say it Rayzor we all know you are just looking for a different angle .

 

[Rayzorwire]

Reality is it's just a job to AFL players now. Only we the fans invest the emotion.

I'm not sure I would say they're not emotionally invested to the same degree, Rhs, but they certainly get very well compensated for what they do invest. There's not much of a monetary incentive to win a premiership on top of what they get already.

Well duh..They had training like twice a week then a game.

It's now a full time professional job and they struggle to escape it. not only are you an athlete, but also an employee of a very rich business and you have to be at the ready almost 24/7

They now have:

- general training
- 3-5 weight sessions
- structured running sessions
- mobility and prehabilitation sessions
- yoga and other relaxation methods including phschlogical
- crossfit training
- touch sessions (with the footy you pervs)
- structured diets and routines they have to do away from training
- psychology (like i said previously, players struggle to cope with the famous athlete lifestyle and the amount of work needed. the injured players do more psychology than others usually)
- recovery (involves touch session, swim, ice baths, stretching, massage etc.)
- sponsor commitments - usually just a bit of fun but it's still compulsory work and a commitment
- also the game generally is a lot harder than it used to be, the level of footy back then would be laughed at by coaches at local level in the 2nd team

It's a little akin to Eddy Murphy getting tired of the 'Royal Penis being cleaned', IMO, mcuzzy.

Do you reckon Kingy much prefers all the above, or being a plumber?

It's no coincidence that many of the blokes we have who really bleed for the jumper, are the ones who had hard roads into footy and therefore, really do seem to appreciate the opportunity so much more.

I totally agree with you on this Rayzorwire. It's how I enjoyed my footy and the mates I went into battle with and won flags with are truly mates for life.
Problem I have though is that the world has changed since then, probably not for the better as far as tribal footy goes, but changed nonetheless.
I don't blame betting (Waterhouse et al), it's the appeal of our game that attracts all forms of corporate interest. From companies paying gazillions for grand final tickets to TV networks paying billions to televise it. THose billions were always going to find there way to the pockets of the stars. Nothing you can do about it, and neither should we, the players are the central plank the adoration is built on.
So I think you and I can remain tribal and maintain the passion that grew in us from younger days, but I think the rock stars will no doubt continue to behave more like...rock stars.

Great post, Liv.

 

[TheOutsider74]

The two most successful sides in modern history have three flags to their credit - Brisbane and Geelong.

A young footballer and aspirational leader who walks into the RFC and has the red carpet rolled out, needs to have a burning passion to create a Richmond dynasty which matches or exceeds the above legacies.

One premiership will do everyone, apparently, but that's not where our end goal should really lie if we're determined to become the best again and stay there.

Discuss.

I think we will be very lucky to get one under Dimma. A great guy, so hope I am wrong.