What would you do?

[Knowledge]

OK here's the scenario.

60 dollar 1/2 No- Limit at Crown.
I'm on the button, get dealt Q Q and have about 100 dollars worth of chips, set a tight table image.

Guy on my left is a tight aggressive player and the same as the guy on my right, Guy on my right has about 400$ worth of chips and guy on the left is the same as me. They are both good players.

SB raises to 6 dollars, everyone folds except guy on my right calls 6$.
I raise it up to 20. They both call.

Flop: J K 5 - Rainbow
I bet 15, they both call.

River: J K 5 J
Guy on my right bets 5, I call so dose the other guy

Turn: J K 5 J K
Guy on my left checks, guy on my right bets 60 and effectivly putting me all in.

What do you do?

 

[weagles_fan]

I would lay it down because anything other than an ace beats you.

 

[Armwarmer]

Easy laydown.

Yea, the point of the thread may be that you laid it down only for them to standoff and show inferior hands.

There's no way there though, that you can call people with tight table images with that hand.

The guy that put you all in could be on a multitude of hands.

Ace King, Ace Queen (the only hand you can beat, a busted draw), Ace Jack, something like King-Queen/King-10, or even King rag. I can't see anyone calling a 10xBB raise with a lonely jack. It could be a semi bluff with something like ace-5, but still, its a hard call to make.

So basically, its an easy fold for you.

PS: My money's on one of them having ace queen, the other ace 5, and you getting pissed about folding. AM I RITE?

 

[-VC-]

I'd be laying it down too. Pretty confident that one of them would've had a straight draw and missed. Any king or any jack would have you beat and with two two tight aggressive players in the pot personally I'd expect at least one of them to have either one of those cards.

The guy on your right has a pretty intriguing betting pattern. He's gone check/call, bet 5, bet 60. Obviously acting like he had the king, but whether or not he did is another issue. Acting strong when he's weak?

I'm also not prepared to rule out the possibility of one of them slow playing quad jacks off the turn. The guy on your left was first to act and he's been pretty quiet, just calling and letting you guys lead the betting. He'd have to be on something very good pre-flop to be having a look at the flop for $20 out of position.

 

[Knowledge]

PS: My money's on one of them having ace queen, the other ace 5, and you getting pissed about folding. AM I RITE?

No matter what I did ( which I'll tell you later) I don't think there's anyway I could be angry at folding there.

 

[Armwarmer]

So you didn't fold?

mmmmm, did you win? o_o

You called, guy behind you calls with pocket 7s, initial raiser shows ace queen. very viable and believable!

 

[Daytripper]

You were beaten after the flop.
Post flop bet was too small in my opinion.
You needed to see where you are at but as soon as you were called not once, but twice - your hand was history.

I'm guessing one of them had a hand and one of them sensed your weakness

Nothing wrong with your call on the turn. You were getting just over 20/1 with a 25/1 chance. Slight unders but good enough odds to call. Slight risk on the guy behind you reraising.

Automatic fold on the river.

 

[- PC -]

River: J K 5 J
Guy on my right bets 5, I call so dose the other guy

This is where I would have re-raised. That way I would see if he was serious. $5? Thats a joke bet in the circumstances and that you called showed a weakness in your hand

 

[Glenno23]

This is where I would have re-raised. That way I would see if he was serious. $5? Thats a joke bet in the circumstances and that you called showed a weakness in your hand

Yep, spot on PC

$5 into a pot that was already 60+ pre flop is so weak its not funny, big kick up needed there.....

 

[- PC -]

Yep, spot on PC

$5 into a pot that was already 60+ pre flop is so weak its not funny, big kick up needed there.....

This proven by the next event

Turn: J K 5 J K
Guy on my left checks, guy on my right bets 60 and effectivly putting me all in

So the guy who bet $5 and saw you call knew you had a weak hand and pushed you to go all in. He had the $$ to play and see how far you wanted to go

 

[Daytripper]

I think his stack was the main problem with putting out a large bet on the turn.

If he started with $100, bet $20 pre and $15 post, it only leaves him $65 remaining.
Only reasonable bet left was all-in with the pot as it was (if he felt the need to bet). Personally I would have been out of there.

The right continuation bet post flop was $40 minimum. You're representing kings and you would have known where you stood right away.

If called you know you're beaten.

By betting $15 post flop you're giving the other two players about 6/1 odds. Assuming they both call.

Thats almost good enough to call if you're AT.
With A5, you're getting over the odds. Same with Jx.

You let too many possible hands enter the mix.

 

[Carlton.No.1]

I would probably call knowing i was beat and then tell the guy who bet $60 how much of a donk he is after he turns over J-rag.

Im pretty sure he had quad jacks though... am i right?

 

[- PC -]

I think his stack was the main problem with putting out a large bet on the turn.

If he started with $100, bet $20 pre and $15 post, it only leaves him $65 remaining.
Only reasonable bet left was all-in with the pot as it was (if he felt the need to bet). Personally I would have been out of there.

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I agree his stack was his issue , but either way he was facing an all-in, after the river he should have at least raised $15 to see how serious the $5 bet was.

If the player on his right re-raised then thats when I would have folded.

 

[Knowledge]

Ok so here's what went down.

I really wasn't worried about the guy on SB because I could sense weakness in his call pre-flop I put him on Pocket 9's/10's or 8's.

I just didn't know what to put the guy who put me all in on. He was a good player and chopped up his play rather nicley.

My first thought was that I put him on low pockets and he missed the board completly, I thought eh maybe he's got 4's/ 6's/ 7's because with His chipstack he could definatly afford to see the flop for 20 dollars. The reason why I put him on low pairs was because of the 5 dollar bet, just the way he pushed it in seemed a bit meh and I thought he'd just be doing it to see where his low's were at. I reached for my stack and very very nearly called him.

Then I thought about his raise. he raised and I thought he was trying to set a trap for me. When he raised I put him on. A K maybe even A J or K Q.

I thought about it and I folded.

Guy on my left (SB) folded and guy on my right took it down. We agreed to show it because it was an interesting hand. SB showed 10's (like i presumed!) and guy on my right showed pocket 6's....

I was a bit suprised really, I was actually suprised he bet the flop with two overcards there on 10's, it somewhat threw me out a little but I wasn't worried about him calling. However well done to the other guy, he set it up from the flop he probably knew he was beat and decided to take a stab at it

Atleast my predictions are ok.

 

[Daytripper]

The guy on your right was either a super, trappy player or a complete idiot.

I think Dan H calls that type of small bet on the turn with nothing the "Post Oak Bluff." Its a very complicated play though.

Again, this could all have been avoided with a better bet on the flop.

 

[Knowledge]

The guy on your right was either a super, trappy player or a complete idiot.

I think Dan H calls that type of small bet on the turn with nothing the "Post Oak Bluff." Its a very complicated play though.

Again, this could all have been avoided with a better bet on the flop.

No he was a good player, trust me on this one I've played with him before and see him there nearly everytime I am.

Yaeh it's definatly a weakness in my game is betting on the board with a pair, I definatly need to work on it.

 

[Daytripper]

No he was a good player, trust me on this one I've played with him before and see him there nearly everytime I am.

Yaeh it's definatly a weakness in my game is betting on the board with a pair, I definatly need to work on it.

Hmmm - a raise of 3xBB, followed by a reraise to $20 and yet he still called with low pocket pair knowing that two other players most probably had him beat.
Not super play to me.

I reckon his chip stack was the determining factor in playing this hand here. He probably figured he's got heaps and may as well play in the hope of getting trips.

Serious question.
Was he drinking ?