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Just a statement,
i read a whole bunch of you guys state that whitnall should be traded. If this happens that carlton wil;l be taking a massive step backwards. Whitnall breaks the packs, works harder the fev would ever work and commands respect from his team-mates and opposition footballers.

So get off his back, if you want to blame someone, blame the way the ball is delivered into our forward line. When we were at our best whitnall and fev would be leading to the ball not jostling with their opponent, but because of the kick long game plan of pagans, it doesn’t give whitnall the opportunity to use his biggest asset, his football smarts.
 
Lance does have great footy smarts, but not the body to fullfil that.

I'd be rapt to see him play out his career with us, but we need to become stronger and it is going to be weighed up whether we trade him or not, while we can.
 
I have this feeling that he won't play for us after this year. He's run his race... how many more final chances are we going to give him? After 2000 he has done shyte all. It's sad to see him go because I like him as a player but realistically he is taking a chunk of our cap with mediocre performances. And as a CHF and one of the leaders of this club, he should be doing better.
 
puppet_master said:
Just a statement,
i read a whole bunch of you guys state that whitnall should be traded. If this happens that carlton wil;l be taking a massive step backwards. Whitnall breaks the packs, works harder the fev would ever work and commands respect from his team-mates and opposition footballers.

So get off his back, if you want to blame someone, blame the way the ball is delivered into our forward line. When we were at our best whitnall and fev would be leading to the ball not jostling with their opponent, but because of the kick long game plan of pagans, it doesn’t give whitnall the opportunity to use his biggest asset, his football smarts.
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The question is. Do we want another mathew richardson? Someone who has heaps of potential but can't fullfill it? Maybe it would be better for both parties for us to get a trade for him.

One i think would be worth looking into would be for a young top line ruckman, say we traded melbourne whitnall and got jolly and maybe a draft pick say 2nd or 3rd round.

But i would prefer to see lance fullfill his potential by staying fit and play his career out at carlton. A fwd line with fev and whitnall is very competitive and will take us far.
 

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I read that Lancy came last in a 1km time trial at optus oval yesterday...

Fevola came 2nd last, passing Lance metres from the finish line lol!

Walker, Davies and Bannister were in the top 3.
 
A fit Whitnall - you would never consider trading.
The problem is that whilst he is young, the period he should be entering now is one where he is playing his best footy.
we have seen glimpses of that this year, but only for 1/4 or a 1/2 at best.

Saying that, things can turn around just as quickly as they dissapear (eg J. White MELB) & i'd hate to see Lance really turn it on for another club after a decent pre season (remembering he has come of knee injuries last 2 years).

In summary - we would want something special for Lance, consdireing what the Crows gave for Carey (& he was gorn at that stage) we would want something similar.

Pagan is crying out for developed fuller bodied players at our club, we cant just toss away a player of Lances quality unless we are gauranteed of a 10 year 'special' player.

my concern is that lance has played insignificant parts off the bench more recently........ I'm hoping he is struggling through with a niggle - & not that Pagan has given up on him.
 
Lance should be traded to the dogs for their first pick.

He just doesnt fit into our game plan of taking contested marks. Eade's gameplan doesnt seem to be based around long kicking to the packs so Lance could do well there.
 
Lance has had knee trouble for over a year now. Give the guy a break. He presents, contests and creates. If you're a bottom 8 side, you can't afford to give up these types of players. Sure he's slow, but quicker players don't have the same smarts, it's a trade off. As has been said, blame the way the ball has be delivered to the guy, hard to be an imposing forward when the ball is over your head.

If we trade him i will be very dissapointed and agree with the initial post that we would be taking a step backwards.

Fact of the matter is if people are prepared to give us anything good for him, then he is clearly worth something. No point in trading a CHF, it just means we'll have to go shopping for another one.

Fit Fev+ Fit Whit = 2005 Top 8. Get out your deposit book, because you can take this to the bank.
 
Bluemike said:
Lance should be traded to the dogs for their first pick.

He just doesnt fit into our game plan of taking contested marks. Eade's gameplan doesnt seem to be based around long kicking to the packs so Lance could do well there.
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So what you are saying is " we have a quality CHF, but because the game plan doesn't suit him, lets spend years lokking for a CHF like carey, cause that's the only game plan that pagan has". I take it it makes no sense to develop a game plan that allows players to perform at the optimum.

Don't understand why we can't kick to space and have our forwards leading to the ball aka lynch, brown combination at brisbane.
 
shacka said:
Lance has had knee trouble for over a year now. Give the guy a break. He presents, contests and creates. If you're a bottom 8 side, you can't afford to give up these types of players. Sure he's slow, but quicker players don't have the same smarts, it's a trade off. As has been said, blame the way the ball has be delivered to the guy, hard to be an imposing forward when the ball is over your head.

If we trade him i will be very dissapointed and agree with the initial post that we would be taking a step backwards.

Fact of the matter is if people are prepared to give us anything good for him, then he is clearly worth something. No point in trading a CHF, it just means we'll have to go shopping for another one.

Fit Fev+ Fit Whit = 2005 Top 8. Get out your deposit book, because you can take this to the bank.
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The question is, will Lance ever get fit again????
 
Some believe that Whitnall could be traded not should be traded. Reasons for retaining and trading are many. When you consider that our list is not strong enough to compete consistently with the better teams, considering what players we need and what we have to offer as a trade is par for the course.

We all know and love Lance at his best, whether he is able to get back there is extremely debatable. In recent seasons, we have seen a mostly injured, out of form or slowly building to match fitness Whitnall in our side. Seldom have we seen a four quarter, dominant Whitnall.

We have to weigh up whether we think he can remain uninjured (at least at the AFL average) or whether his problems are to be expected because of body shape. We have to weigh up whether he fits our game plan or whether we would change our game plan to fit Lance.
 
My view is that we should trade Whitnall whilst he still has some value at the bargaining table. He has a very limited future in football and his place on the Blues list should be given to someone else.

We are not in the luxurious position of being able to carry anyone, we need every player at the club to be there for a reason and be performing at their absolute best all of the time.


Thanks for the mammaries Lance !!
 

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I read a quote from David Parkin a month or two back, Lance only has 2 - 3 years left in him at the AFL level at a maximum.

So while he still has the value to pick up a good trade deal for us, we should go for it, it is football.

I love Lance, we all do, but it's a cut throat business .. we have to let him go like we are going to let OO go........

Unless he can play a blinder these two games I won't change my mind.
 
puppet_master said:
So what you are saying is " we have a quality CHF, but because the game plan doesn't suit him, lets spend years lokking for a CHF like carey, cause that's the only game plan that pagan has". I take it it makes no sense to develop a game plan that allows players to perform at the optimum.

Don't understand why we can't kick to space and have our forwards leading to the ball aka lynch, brown combination at brisbane.
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We do that most of the time. The true Pagan's paddock involves emptying the forward 50 and crowding the midfield and relying on players running forward of the ball in numbers when you have possession.

And guess who used that technique in 2002?
 
on yesterdays game it has to be said that he wont figure in pagans plans for next year, he played less than a quarter and when he was on he just made the forward line more congested...

we cant have too tall a forward line.. fev, waite (will step up future CHF), deluca (if he plays there), morrell, kouta perhaps...?
doesnt look like lance has a spot..
 
NavyBlueBlood said:
on yesterdays game it has to be said that he wont figure in pagans plans for next year, he played less than a quarter and when he was on he just made the forward line more congested...

we cant have too tall a forward line.. fev, waite (will step up future CHF), deluca (if he plays there), morrell, kouta perhaps...?
doesnt look like lance has a spot..
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Lance is obviously injured & playing a limited role.

There are pro's & cons in keeping Lance.
In previous years most Blues supporters would have been gutted if he was traded.

The only way I could see it happen is if another club values his so highly they give us an offer we cannot refuse ala crows/nth - Carey.

This is unlikely to happen & as a result you would have to say that Lance would be a 90% certainty to be at the club next year.

As this is more than likely to be the case (in my opinion) I really hope that Lance does all the hard work & wants to be part of the Carlton resurgance.

I would be in disbelief if we simply handed over Lance to another club without certain gain to us.
 
if we do trade him, it must be a first round pick.

if nobody offers a first round pick keep him on the list for another season and then try again
 

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Disagree entirely, Whitnall must be retained as we have no one else good enough to play CHF. If we had a Stephen Kernahan playing CHF it would make sense to trade Lance, but if we are going to be a finals contender in 2005 or 2006 a good CHF is a must and if you look at the three top sides Brisbane with Brown, Port with Treadrea and St. Kilda with Riewoldt it shows how important this position is.
A fit Lance with a good pre-season could make a difference to his game and of course he is an injury risk, but who is protected from injury, no one.
If you doubt the importance of the CHF position just think what impact it would have on any of the top teams mentioned going into the finals, Brisbane without Brown, Port without Treadrea and more so on St. Kilda without Riewoldt.
A fit Whitnall on the lead is hard to stop and we need a bit of bulk around our forwards, as a matter of fact in other areas as well.
I do believe Whitnal is part of Pagan's plans for the next couple of years as we do not have the talent to produce a top CHF.
 
HE SHOULD NEVER DON THE CARLTON GERNSEY AFTER 2004...HE IS FINISHED...IF U THINK HE CRASHES THE PACKS U HAVE TO BE KIDDEN YASELF HE CANNOT JUMP IN ORDER TO CRASH PACKS...IF HE CANT ADAPT TO PAGANS GAME PLAN..THEN GET OUT ...COZ THATS THE GAME PLAN THAT WILL BRING US SUCCESS(never argue eny of pagans moves..he is the man)...AT THE END OF THE DAY PRENDA GIVES MORE THAN WHITNALL AS HIS EFFORTS ARE ENDLESS...THIS IS A GUY WE SHOULD PERCIST WITH...NOT BLOKES WHO DONT CARE RE.WHITNAL
 
Go_Blueboyzzz said:
HE SHOULD NEVER DON THE CARLTON GERNSEY AFTER 2004...HE IS FINISHED...IF U THINK HE CRASHES THE PACKS U HAVE TO BE KIDDEN YASELF HE CANNOT JUMP IN ORDER TO CRASH PACKS...IF HE CANT ADAPT TO PAGANS GAME PLAN..THEN GET OUT ...COZ THATS THE GAME PLAN THAT WILL BRING US SUCCESS(never argue eny of pagans moves..he is the man)...AT THE END OF THE DAY PRENDA GIVES MORE THAN WHITNALL AS HIS EFFORTS ARE ENDLESS...THIS IS A GUY WE SHOULD PERCIST WITH...NOT BLOKES WHO DONT CARE RE.WHITNAL
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Agree entirely with your comments on Prenda and Pagan, but Prenda is no CHF and if we trade Whitnall we are providing another gap to fill and hell we have enough to fill as it is. At this stage we should stick and pray Whitnall can get over his injury. The CHF position is such a key position and you never actually named a player at CHF. The aim of my thread was based on Carlton being a finals team in the next couple (i hope) of years.
And Blueboyzzz it is my opinion that Pagan is at this stage the coach of the season.
 
I think we should keep him but I was a little concerned with his body language after the game -appeard to be sulking and not very excited about the teams great win. Have seen him do this before. Next week looks to be a shaping as a very important game for Big Red.

I hope his attitude improves and he does well.
 
to me, lance is alot like mckernan before he left the kangas for carlton... had dominated in previous seasons but injuries, fitness etc saw him out of favour and hence he was traded... except of course lance is alot younger

with lance it just depends on whether clubs can see that his best football is not beyond him if he shrugs off the injuries (and pounds ;) ) , he can play back to All-Australian capacity....
 
Notice who's been playing CHF for us last couple of weeks. Suits Pagan's style perfectly.

He bulked up his upper body while he was on the sidelines with stress fractures, look at him next year after a pre-season getting bigger in the torso.

Jarrad Waite will be Carlton's next CHF.
 

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