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In all seriousness can you trade a player under these sort of circumstances? I’m assuming you could, but is interesting. Has it ever happened before? Someone traded but still had a lengthy period for indiscretions. Not talking just run of the mill on field suspensions.
 
Cobbler said:
In all seriousness can you trade a player under these sort of circumstances? I’m assuming you could, but is interesting. Has it ever happened before? Someone traded but still had a lengthy period for indiscretions. Not talking just run of the mill on field suspensions.
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I’m assuming his contract is still counted in the cap?

Could a club do something like:
Eagles receive: 4th round pick
Other club: Rioli + 2nd round pick

AFL obviously wouldn’t let that fly but it’s an interesting hypothetical.
 
Pretty sure the AFL wouldn't allow any trade until the investigation is over. They have to rubber stamp each trade even if it's usually a formality.

Say he was worth pick 10 normally. A club could offer pick 30 and gamble on him only getting a year or two. AFL would not like that.
 
- Players can be traded out with an open investigation and potential suspension hanging over their heads
Ryder, Carlisle and Crameri were all traded out with the knowledge that they could be suspended, but without knowing exactly how long for or if they would be suspended at all. It doesn't seem to be an impediment on a trade.

- Some or all financial support must be withdrawn during the period in which a player is suspended as a result of an ASADA investigation
If he gets a full four year suspension (i.e. there is no reduction or elimination of ineligibility period due to no fault/no significant fault rules), then some or all financial support must be withdrawn by the AFL and AFL Clubs.

Presumably this means his salary won't affect the salary cap, as he won't necessarily have one.

- Players have been moved to the rookie list during their suspensions, but need to be delisted first and picked up in the rookie draft
Moving a player to the rookie list opens up a spot on the senior list for players who were allowed to actually play. Both Lachlan Keefe and Josh Thomas were delisted by Collingwood when they were suspended, then picked back up by Collingwood in the rookie draft. Keefe was delisted again a year later and picked up by GWS.

Although Collingwood delisted both Lachie Keefe and Josh Thomas, both were out of contract that year anyway. In Willie's case, he is contracted beyond the current season, so the contract would need to be terminated in order for him to be delisted. Given that a suspension would cause financial support to be withdrawn, it seems likely that termination payments would also not be required? Hard to be certain though, given there's no specific clause addressing the standing down of a player with a long-term suspension.

Terminations can occur for serious misconduct or repeated misconduct, though no definition is given for this in the CBA, AFL Rules, etc. Seems to come down to the 'reasonable person' test. The league could also deregister him on the grounds of conduct unbecoming/prejudicial to the interests of the league, but that seems unlikely.

- If a player is delisted by their club, they become a delisted free agent
If he is delisted as above, Rioli would become a DFA, as long as he didn't initiate the delisting himself. A delisted free agent can sign with any club without restriction. The previous club does not receive compensation.

- Prompt admission of guilt when confronted with an anti-doping rule violation can result in the suspension being reduced to 2 years
As it says on the tin. See 17.6 (c), page 38 here: https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL Anti-Doping Code 2019 FINAL.pdf

Given he's put out like an instagram post or something about a 'lil mistake', it would seem fault is being admitted. So at least that's in his favour.

With the provisional suspension already in place, and assuming he is given a 2 year suspension, he should be eligible to resume training at the club in June 2021 and be available to play by week 2 of the 2021 finals series (pending release of the actual fixture).


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The main issue really (aside from not having him available to play) is that you can't use his senior list spot for anyone else without delisting him, unless the AFL provides some sort of special permission to vary the rules. But since he shouldn't cost you anything in salary while suspended, you'll have some salary cap space to play with as well so it's not the end of the world.

All up, it seems unlikely that any other club would want him under the current circumstances. If they did it would be for someone who they don't have to pay for probably almost 2 years, who clogs up one spot on their list, and they'd get him back training in 18 months time, ready for a finals campaign if they make it that far. 18 months out of the game is a long time though, they don't always get back to peak fitness and conditioning after that, and being outside of an AFL environment could also be detrimental to the player's mental health, so there's that to weigh up as well.
 
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Lore said:
Although Collingwood delisted both Lachie Keefe and Josh Thomas, both were out of contract that year anyway. In Willie's case, he is contracted beyond the current season, so the contract would need to be terminated in order for him to be delisted. Given that a suspension would cause financial support to be withdrawn, it seems likely that termination payments would also not be required? Hard to be certain though, given there's no specific clause addressing the standing down of a player with a long-term suspension.
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Great post.

Since Willie is contracted for 3 more years, you'd think WCE will likely delist him when the punishment is decided. They'll obviously look after him and provide all the support they can.

Money aside, can't see WCE would want to lose a primary list spot for 2+ years.
 
zeggie said:
If he never took PEDs and just made a terrible mistake in the heat of the moment, then it will be very sad if he never plays again.
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Well he had nothing to hide... So why do it?

It's not a mistake you accidentally do.
 

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PAFC_1870 said:
Well he had nothing to hide... So why do it?

It's not a mistake you accidentally do.
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Frustration, anger, who knows. Read the articles out this arvo. Come to your own conclusion. No one will really know except for the people who were there at this stage.
 
Cobbler said:
In all seriousness can you trade a player under these sort of circumstances? I’m assuming you could, but is interesting. Has it ever happened before? Someone traded but still had a lengthy period for indiscretions. Not talking just run of the mill on field suspensions.
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Essendon did
 
zeggie said:
Great post.

Since Willie is contracted for 3 more years, you'd think WCE will likely delist him when the punishment is decided. They'll obviously look after him and provide all the support they can.

Money aside, can't see WCE would want to lose a primary list spot for 2+ years.
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Depends how they normally do their list. If they typically have 38 or 39 players then having 39 or 40 instead should be okay, it just means they have one less rookie spot available (not much different to putting him on the rookie list).
 
Obeanie1 said:
Are you trolling or actually being serious?:think::(
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Well I obviously know it’d never happen but if his salary is counted in the cap why shouldn’t they be able to give away higher picks for the cap space back?

What if having Rioli’s salary sitting there stopped the Eagles from getting Kelly?*

*this is assuming his salary stays in the cap which I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere.
 
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