Wolfmother ROBBED!

[rick James]

There's quite a few more disgraces Id worry about before Wolfmother not receiving an award.

Its just an award, it means or symbolises nothing except music industry types all sitting around and masturbating one another.

I dont understand how people manage to even watch these kind of shows, let alone be suprised when they realise its all ****.

If you're over 16 and watching this ****, then, well... I dunno, go buy Ralph or something.

Pfft, most people would have had it on in the background I'd imagine, I rarely even sit to watch tv shows at all (OZ and south park the only exceptions).

Also, some people might just have looked at the results the next day.

 

[Mattlowry]

Wolfmother have not only established themselves in Australia, but they have cracked the world market. For them not to be acknowledged for a GREAT song (Minds Eye) and an Awesome album is just a disgrace to the Australian Music industry.

Perhaps Casey Donovan should have won Female artist of the year....

I love wolfmother but the fact that they have cracked the world market is totally irrelevant. These are Australian awards.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

I love wolfmother but the fact that they have cracked the world market is totally irrelevant. These are Australian awards.

I know it is irrelevant, but it shows that they are obviously going to be big on a worldwide basis yet they can't get that acknowledgment in their home country. Bit pathetic if you ask me.

 

[Roddy]

To me, Wolfmother typify the Aussie Rock scene.....it seems these days you have to sound EXACTLY like other bands from the past to get anywhere. You have to toss originality out the door completely, otherwise you won't be picked up and pushed. Can someone please tell me why WM, Jet and shortly Airborne (who an even BIGGER bunch of rip-off merchants, if that's possible) can get a massive push nationally and internationally, while amazing and highly original bands like Cog and Karnivool, who sound only like themselves, continue to (comparitively) struggle???

 

[rick James]

To me, Wolfmother typify the Aussie Rock scene.....it seems these days you have to sound EXACTLY like other bands from the past to get anywhere. You have to toss originality out the door completely, otherwise you won't be picked up and pushed. Can someone please tell me why WM, Jet and shortly Airborne (who an even BIGGER bunch of rip-off merchants, if that's possible) can get a massive push nationally and internationally, while amazing and highly original bands like Cog and Karnivool, who sound only like themselves, continue to (comparitively) struggle???

Our industry is too small imo.

A band like the deftones, for example, who have carved a long and decorated career over 15+ years would not have got signed if they were Australian due to the fact they can't really break the mainstream.

We simply don't have the population (or the taste) to support niche/specialist markets to the point where bands can make a living from it.

It isn't just in music either, it goes for radio stations, comedy, television, movies and so forth. Anything too 'edgy' needs to go to Europe or the US to succeed. It's just an unfortunate fact we have to deal with and accept.

Look at the Avalanches, they were pretty damn original in what they did - but htey had to make it big in the UK because there was no way a major Australian label (or indeed the Australian public) would have the balls to pick them up.

I've spoken to poms who are in to live music, who live in Australia and many have said they rate the Melbourne music scene as good or better than London's talent wise, and are shocked that these bands die off or can't forge a career.

IMO Augie March would be globally massive were they based in the UK from the start of their career. John Butler likewise if he was based in the states (he IS originally American though isn't he?).

But the only stuff that gets really big here are bands like Wolfmother/Jet (who appeal internationally immediately and seem to almost get 'discovered' on an international level before building up a huge festival fan base in Australia), Powderfinger (rock that appeals to everyone) or Hilltop Hoods (niche market that has worked its arse off and become mainstream via breakthrough singles).

That's just my slant on it at least, but look at any artistic medium in Australia and I reckon you'll see similarities.

 

[Roddy]

Our industry is too small imo.

A band like the deftones, for example, who have carved a long and decorated career over 15+ years would not have got signed if they were Australian due to the fact they can't really break the mainstream.

We simply don't have the population (or the taste) to support niche/specialist markets to the point where bands can make a living from it.

It isn't just in music either, it goes for radio stations, comedy, television, movies and so forth. Anything too 'edgy' needs to go to Europe or the US to succeed. It's just an unfortunate fact we have to deal with and accept.

Look at the Avalanches, they were pretty damn original in what they did - but htey had to make it big in the UK because there was no way a major Australian label (or indeed the Australian public) would have the balls to pick them up.

I've spoken to poms who are in to live music, who live in Australia and many have said they rate the Melbourne music scene as good or better than London's talent wise, and are shocked that these bands die off or can't forge a career.

IMO Augie March would be globally massive were they based in the UK from the start of their career. John Butler likewise if he was based in the states (he IS originally American though isn't he?).

But the only stuff that gets really big here are bands like Wolfmother/Jet (who appeal internationally immediately and seem to almost get 'discovered' on an international level before building up a huge festival fan base in Australia), Powderfinger (rock that appeals to everyone) or Hilltop Hoods (niche market that has worked its arse off and become mainstream via breakthrough singles).

That's just my slant on it at least, but look at any artistic medium in Australia and I reckon you'll see similarities.

All true, unfortunately.....

 

[Truck Rutten]

I know it is irrelevant, but it shows that they are obviously going to be big on a worldwide basis yet they can't get that acknowledgment in their home country. Bit pathetic if you ask me.

They won 3 awards with their derivative, wizards and dragons themed heavy rock and you're complaining! If I want to listen to that sort of stuff, I'll go straight to the source and dig out my Sabbath, Purple, Rainbow & Dio records. Honestly, if you think Wolfmother are brilliant you must either be 15 or know absolutely nothing about music.

 

[The Dice Man]

Our industry is too small imo.

A band like the deftones, for example, who have carved a long and decorated career over 15+ years would not have got signed if they were Australian due to the fact they can't really break the mainstream.

We simply don't have the population (or the taste) to support niche/specialist markets to the point where bands can make a living from it.

It isn't just in music either, it goes for radio stations, comedy, television, movies and so forth. Anything too 'edgy' needs to go to Europe or the US to succeed. It's just an unfortunate fact we have to deal with and accept.

Look at the Avalanches, they were pretty damn original in what they did - but htey had to make it big in the UK because there was no way a major Australian label (or indeed the Australian public) would have the balls to pick them up.

I've spoken to poms who are in to live music, who live in Australia and many have said they rate the Melbourne music scene as good or better than London's talent wise, and are shocked that these bands die off or can't forge a career.

IMO Augie March would be globally massive were they based in the UK from the start of their career. John Butler likewise if he was based in the states (he IS originally American though isn't he?).

But the only stuff that gets really big here are bands like Wolfmother/Jet (who appeal internationally immediately and seem to almost get 'discovered' on an international level before building up a huge festival fan base in Australia), Powderfinger (rock that appeals to everyone) or Hilltop Hoods (niche market that has worked its arse off and become mainstream via breakthrough singles).

That's just my slant on it at least, but look at any artistic medium in Australia and I reckon you'll see similarities.

Good post. Agree on Augie March specifically... would be huge if they were English.. HUUUGE!

And agree JBT would find success if he was yankee.. Ben Harper kind of success, although ironically I think Harper is more successfull here than in the States, and IIRC, he's Canadyian.

 

[rick James]

Good post. Agree on Augie March specifically... would be huge if they were English.. HUUUGE!

And agree JBT would find success if he was yankee.. Ben Harper kind of success, although ironically I think Harper is more successfull here than in the States, and IIRC, he's Canadyian.

Thanks. I didn't know Harper was Canadian, I didn't think he was. he surfs a lot, Canadians don't surf do they?

And yeah, Harper is bigger in Australia than in the states I'd wager.

 

[The Dice Man]

Thanks. I didn't know Harper was Canadian, I didn't think he was. he surfs a lot, Canadians don't surf do they?

And yeah, Harper is bigger in Australia than in the states I'd wager.

Just checked and he isnt Canadian. I dunno why I thought he was. Maybe because he's more popular there than in the states too.]

I know he spends alot of time in Byron, and may even own a house there.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Just when I thought heavy metal was a dying genre (at least commercially), enter new Aussie sensation Wolfmother.

I listened to their self-titled debut album the other day and was absolutely blown away!!! These kids are seriously good!!!

Wolfmother probably don't look like a metal band, but their sound derives itself very much from the early metal sensations of the 1970s - Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath... But Wolfmother have a harder, and a more energetic and funkier edge. They have their own style and it's quite unique to anything I've heard before.

I am sooo excited about this band. They (not surprisingly) cleaned up three awards at the ARIAs on the weekend (including best rock album). To me they are such a breath of fresh air in an era where post-Nirvana "alternative" music seemed to have taken over from metal.

Guitarist/vocalist Andrew Stockdale has a fantastic voice, but he's only very young at this stage and probably lacks the guitar playing abilities of a Jimmy Page or a Ritchie Blackmore. His riffs sound fantastic, but on Wolfmother's next album I want to hear some 2 or 3 minute guitar solos.

But Wolfmother makes up for this with some absolutely brilliant keyboard work by bassist Chris Ross. I'm so impressed with the long jamming between the vocals. Their compositions are great.

I haven't been as excited about a rock band in quite a few years - not since I really got into Rush, and maybe Dokken before them. Wolfmother kicks serious butt!

Are you being scarcastic? i cant tell

 

[gytre]

They won 3 awards with their derivative, wizards and dragons themed heavy rock and you're complaining! If I want to listen to that sort of stuff, I'll go straight to the source and dig out my Sabbath, Purple, Rainbow & Dio records. Honestly, if you think Wolfmother are brilliant you must either be 15 or know absolutely nothing about music.

I'm a huge fan of those bands you have listed, and I digress. There's no doubt Wolfmother have been influenced by the 70s metal scene, but they still have their own sound and they sound pretty damn awesome to me. How many bands these days haven't been influenced by other artists?

And Wolfmother sounds very little like Dio BTW, even if they have used the same themes. I think they sound more like Zeppelin than any other band, and I think Zeppelin is a pretty damn good band to sound a bit like!!

 

[WA ROO]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r98WLLWMq3o

Mike Patton knows what's up.

Whinges "what year are we in"after saying that he is making an album of 1960's Italian music
Has done SFA for 15 years and has become irrelevent
Pathetic jealous yesterday loser
As for Wolfmother being influenced by Led Zeppelin,Deep Purple,Black Sabbath etc
Good,a few more bands being influenced by these the better

 

[rick James]

Whinges "what year are we in"after saying that he is making an album of 1960's Italian music
Has done SFA for 15 years and has become irrelevent
Pathetic jealous yesterday loser
As for Wolfmother being influenced by Led Zeppelin,Deep Purple,Black Sabbath etc
Good,a few more bands being influence by these the better

Patton hasn't been making irrelevant music the last 15 years. He's been trying some cool stuff, his opinion is one I'd rate highly even though I disagree with him on Wolfmother.

I'm not a big WM fan, but they seem like good blokes who are having fun making pop music. Good on 'em.

 

[Brittany]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r98WLLWMq3o

Mike Patton knows what's up.

Haha I love that, I still laugh at it.. Mike is such a champ

 

[The Dice Man]

Whinges "what year are we in"after saying that he is making an album of 1960's Italian music
Has done SFA for 15 years and has become irrelevent
Pathetic jealous yesterday loser
As for Wolfmother being influenced by Led Zeppelin,Deep Purple,Black Sabbath etc
Good,a few more bands being influenced by these the better

Are you serious

Just because mike doesnt do interviews with Smash Hits Magazine, doesnt make him irrelevent.

He's probably done as many, or even more diverse projects than anyone else in the last 15 years.

Stick to Smash Hits bro

 

[WA ROO]

Are you serious

Just because mike doesnt do interviews with Smash Hits Magazine, doesnt make him irrelevent.

He's probably done as many, or even more diverse projects than anyone else in the last 15 years.

Stick to Smash Hits bro

When someone is having a go at a band about not being modern enough or"what year are we in" as Patton put it.
After talking about a project of 60's music,which would be all covers.Kinda puts him in the Human Nature basket,but a bit hypocritical
More of a case of well here is a young band with obvious influences from some of the greatest bands,lets rag on them to take away the fact that Patton has become obsolete and is bitter about it

 

[rick James]

When someone is having a go at a band about not being modern enough or"what year are we in" as Patton put it.
After talking about a project of 60's music,which would be all covers.Kinda puts him in the Human Nature basket,but a bit hypocritical
More of a case of well here is a young band with obvious influences from some of the greatest bands,lets rag on them to take away the fact that Patton is obsolete and bitter about it

Nah clearly you haven't paid attention to Mike's post FNM career.

I could see your point if it was someone like Axl Rose but not Mike Patton.

 

[Z_K]

When someone is having a go at a band about not being modern enough or"what year are we in" as Patton put it.
After talking about a project of 60's music,which would be all covers.Kinda puts him in the Human Nature basket,but a bit hypocritical
More of a case of well here is a young band with obvious influences from some of the greatest bands,lets rag on them to take away the fact that Patton has become obsolete and is bitter about it

Could you have any less of a clue?

The fact that the name Led Zeppelin has even been typed in this thread is offensive. Sabbath the same. If I wanted to watch a Zeppelin tribute band, I would watch one. They could sing better and be better players than WM and wouldn't be completely annoying and confused by their standing in the music scene.

These blokes write catchy pop tunes. There is nothing original or fresh about it, and if you're going to do something that's been done 1000 times before, you better be good. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Why listen to WM when you can buy a Zeppelin CD for half the price and hear a difference in quality so great it's not even funny anymore?

 

[rick James]

Could you have any less of a clue?

The fact that the name Led Zeppelin has even been typed in this thread is offensive. Sabbath the same. If I wanted to watch a Zeppelin tribute band, I would watch one. They could sing better and be better players than WM and wouldn't be completely annoying and confused by their standing in the music scene.

These blokes write catchy pop tunes. There is nothing original or fresh about it, and if you're going to do something that's been done 1000 times before, you better be good. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Why listen to WM when you can buy a Zeppelin CD for half the price and hear a difference in quality so great it's not even funny anymore?

I agree they write catchy pop songs and get irritating after a few lessons - but I think they're ok with that. They certainly don't come off as pretentious knobs like The Vines or Jet do and have acknowledged they use "borrowed" riffs.

I don't listen to them, but give me a Wolfmother over a Bernard Fanning any day.

 

[The Dice Man]

When someone is having a go at a band about not being modern enough or"what year are we in" as Patton put it.
After talking about a project of 60's music,which would be all covers.Kinda puts him in the Human Nature basket,but a bit hypocritical
More of a case of well here is a young band with obvious influences from some of the greatest bands,lets rag on them to take away the fact that Patton has become obsolete and is bitter about it

Dude you're a long, long way from the mark.


Firstly, good music never ages. Its as good 100 years, 50 or 200 years ago as it is today. With the world being in such a hurry to get nowhere fast some people are obsessed with trying to sound modern. This really annoys me because very, very very rarely in life is anything really new. Most things are just improvements on previous models.

Now by Mike Patton saying he's making an album reminicant of 1960's Italian music excites me.

Excites me because this will produce sounds and structures not heard by most of the people today, who will turn around and call Patton a genius who's created a completley new sound.


Interestingly, Muse's most recent album is referred to as having Sci-Fi and/or futuristic themes, yet you can tell the album is heavily influenced by Itialian composer Enrico Morricone, who ironically composed alot of music in the 60s.


I started this post with a point to demonstrate that everything new, is really only something old and there's rarely such a thing as 'Modern', but I got confused along the way and now need to go lie down for a bit...

 

[WA ROO]

Could you have any less of a clue?

The fact that the name Led Zeppelin has even been typed in this thread is offensive. Sabbath the same. If I wanted to watch a Zeppelin tribute band, I would watch one. They could sing better and be better players than WM and wouldn't be completely annoying and confused by their standing in the music scene.

These blokes write catchy pop tunes. There is nothing original or fresh about it, and if you're going to do something that's been done 1000 times before, you better be good. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Why listen to WM when you can buy a Zeppelin CD for half the price and hear a difference in quality so great it's not even funny anymore?

You cannot deny that Wolfmother have been influenced by Zeppelin and Sabbath,sure they are not in the same league as either of them
As for buying Zeppelin albums at half price,where?

 

[WA ROO]

Now by Mike Patton saying he's making an album reminicant of 1960's Italian music excites me.

Excites me because this will produce sounds and structures not heard by most of the people today, who will turn around and call Patton a genius who's created a completley new sound.

Still hypocritical for Patton to whinge"what year are we in"then isn't it?

 

[Constipated Duck]

Could you have any less of a clue?

The fact that the name Led Zeppelin has even been typed in this thread is offensive. Sabbath the same. If I wanted to watch a Zeppelin tribute band, I would watch one. They could sing better and be better players than WM and wouldn't be completely annoying and confused by their standing in the music scene.

These blokes write catchy pop tunes. There is nothing original or fresh about it, and if you're going to do something that's been done 1000 times before, you better be good. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Why listen to WM when you can buy a Zeppelin CD for half the price and hear a difference in quality so great it's not even funny anymore?

Agree with all of that, but I'd rather have people listening to Sabbath & Zeppelin clones, and helping to make the groundbreaking bands more commercially accepted, than more Aus Idol churns outs.

Having downloaded a bit of WM over the last month or so to see what the fuss is about, I'd say they're not bad... not very original at all unfortunately, but I'd rather listen to them than most of the vile 80s synth pop that nearly every radio station is hammering at the minute.

There are only so many 20 year old German thrash CDs one can bring in to work until everyone spits it.

 

[The Dice Man]

Still hypocritical for Patton to whinge"what year are we in"then isn't it?

Not in my mind, but I can see why someone else would think so.


Its hard for me to explain, but i see Mike Patton similar to Danny Carey of tool, a student of music in it's purest form, and at that level, what you see at the Arias wouldnt even be constituted as music.

In a way I see Mike's comments as suggesting 60s Italian music is more progressive and modern than the radio-friendly music of today.

That's how I see his comments anyway.