Society/Culture Why is Multiculturalism a good thing?

[clogged]

Multiculturalism is really only a temporary thing if you ask me. One or two generations and the Italian/Greek/Vietnamese/etc. kids for the most part consider themselves Australians (or Italian-Australian or whatever) with cultural heritage.

I always thought Dipper was a bit harshly dealt with regarding his 'abo' remarks. Sure, not the wisest thing to say, but given when he was young he would have been called all things under the sun, I wouldn't have been surprised if racial epithets were used between him and other people who were called names out of solidarity.

But now he is seen as part of the accepted majority, he can't say stuff like that, lest social media twits be outraged.

 

[Tasmaniac]

We should at least be thinking about what cultures we allow to immigrate into Australia.

Australia doesn't start with a neutral value system, we do have cornerstone beliefs such as democracy, freedom of religion.

Most cultures but not all, fit in with that.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Haha yep, predictably the racist left wing loony brigade comes out and accuses me of racism. Funny, because I distinctly recall explicitly statimg that I have no problem with multiracialism. Nor did I ever mention white people, or any other race in fact.

But dont let that stop your racist white bashing.

And dont let logic get in the way either. The fact that asylum seekers come here is undeniable, incontroverable proof we have a superior culture. But we piss it away by inviting racists, thugs, thieves and terrorists, those who, to a number, reject Australia and Australian culture. I also note that noone has provided a single shred of real evidence of the so-called "benefits" of multiculturalism beyond nonsensical qoutes about "difference".

All in the name of this vile s**t we call "multicuralism".

Please post here more often Vicco, I need a good laugh with my morning coffee.

As for the benefits of the vile s**t we call "multiculturism", the evidence in favour is plentiful.

The economic benefits

An Access Economics Fiscal Impact Model, commissioned by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship,
examines the impact of migration on the Commonwealth budget. Its 2009-10 figures show that the net
economic contribution of around $880 million in the first year of arrival will rise to about $1-2 billion after 10
years. This demonstrates that as immigrants settle into their new home their capacity to build our economic







prosperity increases.







This effect is supplemented by findings that the second generation of migrants has, on average, a higher
educational attainment, higher employment and lower unemployment rates than the children of Australianborn
parents. Furthermore, 49% of all persons holding higher degrees were born overseas.

http://www.crc.nsw.gov.au/__data/as...ntages_of_cultural_diversity_in_Australia.pdf

education

Studies on cognitive development show that critical
thinking, problem-solving capacities, and cognitive
complexity increase for all students exposed to diversity
on the campus and in the classroom

https://www.uwosh.edu/stuaff/images/BenefitsOfDiversity.pdf

communities

Cultural policy and urban policy cannot afford to ignore the connections between diversity and cultural engagement. Arts and cultural institutions and engagement give identity to diverse urban neighborhoods. At the same time, diverse neighborhoods furnish a large part of the audience that supports regional and community cultural institutions. Finally, diverse neighborhoods with high levels of cultural engagement are often the engine of economic revitalization for urban communities

https://www.planning.org/research/arts/briefingpapers/character.htm

I wait for your well reasoned rebuttal of these points

 

[swingdog]

Please post here more often Vicco, I need a good laugh with my morning coffee.

As for the benefits of the vile s**t we call "multiculturism", the evidence in favour is plentiful.

Not to mention, your morning coffee.

 

[pokerspiv]

Not how Gough saw it.

Was pretty much exactly how Gough saw it, the reason he didn't want the Vietnamese refugees is that they were refugees from communism who would be expected to vote conservative.

 

[clogged]

Was pretty much exactly how Gough saw it, the reason he didn't want the Vietnamese refugees is that they were refugees from communism who would be expected to vote conservative.

Therefore Fraser let them in for the exact same reason you think Labor does.

The largest group of people from a foreign culture that emigrate to Australia are Chinese people. By and large they are not Labor voters.

 

[pokerspiv]

Therefore Fraser let them in for the exact same reason you think Labor does.

The largest group of people from a foreign culture that emigrate to Australia are Chinese people. By and large they are not Labor voters.

Agreed, which is why Labor/Greens want to replace some of our skilled migration intake with more refugees and humanitarian migrants.

 

[clogged]

Agreed, which is why Labor/Greens want to replace some of our skilled migration intake with more refugees and humanitarian migrants.

Yeah sure. Baseless assertion.

Chinese and Indian immigration soared under the previous Labor government. Neither groups vote Labor in huge numbers.

The immigrant groups more likely to vote Labor are UK/NZ migrants.

 

[swingdog]

Was pretty much exactly how Gough saw it, the reason he didn't want the Vietnamese refugees is that they were refugees from communism who would be expected to vote conservative.

Um, yeah, my point. So, how does that square with your "more Labor voters" comment?

 

[pokerspiv]

Um, yeah, my point. So, how does that square with your "more Labor voters" comment?

The refugees that have arrived since the 1980's have been an extremely solid voting bloc for Labor.

 

[swingdog]

The refugees that have arrived since the 1980's have been an extremely solid voting bloc for Labor.

You should qualify your statements then because, as you point out, the influx of Eastern Europeans and Vietnamese didn't help Labor. Apologies, I know sweeping generalisations are more common currency around here.

 

[clogged]

The refugees that have arrived since the 1980's have been an extremely solid voting bloc for Labor.

Obviously not working considering Labor's primary vote keeps declining.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

Never seen the OP post on here before.

80+ posts in over four years and drops in a convenient hand grenade.

 

[Maggie5]

1) the lols were not designed to connect but I didn't want to go in to hard just in case you had a mental disability. but now that I know you are a racist so please take the lol's as ridicule.

2) Thanks for pointing out my brainwashing from the left. Floor Pie, can you high 5 Ratts and Maggie5 for showing me the error of my ways and converting me?

3) I don't think I discussed islam, sharia, terrorism, misogyny, female mutilation or adultery laws. If I were to give an honest answer, I would prefer people didn't have any religion but remained local community orientated, I don't mind Sharia between two consenting adults but not as a mainstream legal system or by someone not consenting to the judicial system, I am against unions so I think you would guess my position on terrorism and why would one support ruining a perfectly good vagina?

4) but as I own businesses in Guinea, Philippines, Indonesia, Peru etc I understand what it is like to be welcomed by others and experience resistance by others. Generally after sitting down, enjoying a good meal, a drink and a chat we discover we all value the same things. So you can look for the differences, the hatred, the fear and the negatives or you can look for the similarities, the love, the opportunity and the positives. You don't have to ignore the things you can't accept but you can positively influence change or you can run away and ignore the problem. but who does that help?

4b) Ask yourself are you the failure because of your outlook?

5) calling another race, or religion, a racist dog has to be an oxymoron? whatever it is, you have shown your hand.

6) our own superior culture? WTF. I am proud of Australia's culture and do believe we are one of the best nations on the planet but that is because your "view" is a minority (thank god).

7) rather than being so full of hate, get off your ass and make a positive change. If you don't like something, make it better. Start by changing yourself, it is easier to change yourself than change the world.




Sorry Floor Pie and Maggie5, the truth is I still sit on the "right" but please don't put this racist turkey on my side. Can you take him as one of your own?

Hey, don't drag me into this, I still haven't worked out what the Australia culture is or when it started.
I just want to make sure to fit in.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Never seen the OP post on here before.

80+ posts in over four years and drops in a convenient hand grenade.

To be fair, 'tis a decent topic to discuss. The evidence in support however, is overwhelming (s**t, even rightwingnuts have gotta acknowledge the economic benefits).

 

[Riseupaustralia]

To be fair, 'tis a decent topic to discuss. The evidence in support however, is overwhelming (s**t, even rightwingnuts have gotta acknowledge the economic benefits).

Little doubt that it is a worthy topic.

However, it is also a convenient strawman for eeejits like VV to get enraged about.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Little doubt that it is a worthy topic.

However, it is also a convenient strawman for eeejits like VV to get enraged about.

A frequent occurrence on the SRP board. I generally gerra giggle outta them (to a certain point, then I get angry and carded)

 

[Power Raid]

Hey, don't drag me into this, I still haven't worked out what the Australia culture is or when it started.
I just want to make sure to fit in.

All entities have a culture and often have cultures within the culture as there are often entities within entities.

 

[Maggie5]

All entities have a culture and often have cultures within the culture as there are often entities within entities.

Not sure why you decided to include me in this discussion.
Lots of words, sound like a legal description. What does it look like, can you describe it?

 

[The Coup]

We should at least be thinking about what cultures we allow to immigrate into Australia.

Australia doesn't start with a neutral value system, we do have cornerstone beliefs such as democracy, freedom of religion.

Most cultures but not all, fit in with that.

Which cultures don't?

 

[The Coup]

Not sure why you decided to include me in this discussion.
Lots of words, sound like a legal description. What does it look like, can you describe it?

Australia's culture involves a lot of the following words for me:

Isolation
Anti intellectualism
Equality
Macho
Proudly ignorant
Lucky
Violent
Wasted potential

But that could be me describing myself for all I know.

 

[Maggie5]

Australia's culture involves a lot of the following words for me:

Isolation
Anti intellectualism
Equality
Macho
Proudly ignorant
Lucky
Violent
Wasted potential

But that could be me describing myself for all I know.

Good start, mate.
Thanks for that, not sure why Power Raid can't respond in plain English, since English is my second language.
I only asked him what I thought was a simple question as so many refer to Australian Culture without telling us outsiders what we should be conforming/assimilating to.

 

[The Coup]

Good start, mate.
Thanks for that, not sure why Power Raid can't respond in plain English, since English is my second language.
I only asked him what I thought was a simple question as so many refer to Australian Culture without telling us outsiders what we should be conforming/assimilating to.

Few more thoughts:

Artistic
Good food
The Land

 

[Maggie5]

Few more thoughts:

Artistic
Good food
The Land

Would have to challenge good food as I don't think that even meat pies are true Aussie.

 

[The Coup]

Would have to challenge good food as I don't think that even meat pies are true Aussie.

Its the combination of all the food and the high quality of the produce.

Our food is fresh, and we have a huge variety of produce to choose from - and our industry is so competitive that restaurants do keep the prices down when compared to cities with similar options/variety/quality. This of course mostly applies to Melbourne and Sydney, but all of Australia is pretty good.

So yeah a lot of it is due to multiculturalism, but multiculturalism existed here well before Australia was a nation. Our first mosque is more than 150 years old, our nation is 114. Not only that, politically it was the "Australia First" (the original, the Irish/Scottish/Cornish one) movement where citizens collectively acted to leave the sectarian bullshit behind and work towards a common goal of mutual independance from engLand that really led to the birth of the nation.

So in a way I'd argue that Australia's real culture is multiculturalism....