Polls Thread Mk III

[Fire]

It depends on perspective. If you accept that all that matters is the likeability of the parties head, then that is fine.

If you consider policy and personell outside the party heads to be important, then it is easy to be frustrated. Labor bear some responsibility, but really it is fair to be critical of voters if all that matters is style.

It's a mixture of both. If you have a team of champions then why is a clown fronting? We aren't talking about someone like Crean; someone the public doesn't warm to but is still respectable.

Labour put forward a candidate who is pathetically out of his depth, and stick by him despite his rejection by the electorate. It's just showing contempt towards the public.

 

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It's a mixture of both. If you have a team of champions then why is a clown fronting? We aren't talking about someone like Crean; someone the public doesn't warm to but is still respectable.

Labour put forward a candidate who is pathetically out of his depth, and stick by him despite his rejection by the electorate. It's just showing contempt towards the public.

This is untrue.

It is very difficult to remove the party leader post reforms. Anyway, Shorten was elected via dodgy means, it was the right of the party who employed branch stacking to get the numbers and grifted his way to the leadership.

 

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This is untrue.

It is very difficult to remove the party leader post reforms. Anyway, Shorten was elected via dodgy means, it was the right of the party who employed branch stacking to get the numbers and grifted his way to the leadership.

You say its untrue then go on to describe how true it is.

 

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You say its untrue then go on to describe how true it is.

wut

A small faction of Labor duked the system to get him into power. A faction whose money and motivations are far more in line with the libs. Previous changes to the system make it harder for Labor to excise Shorten, so as much as they may want to, it is very hard to rid themselves of the party leader.

To say that is showing contempt for the electorate is ridiculous. I don't vote Labor, but your position is divorced from reality.

 

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wut

A small faction of Labor duked the system to get him into power. A faction whose money and motivations are far more in line with the libs. Previous changes to the system make it harder for Labor to excise Shorten, so as much as they may want to, it is very hard to rid themselves of the party leader.

To say that is showing contempt for the electorate is ridiculous. I don't vote Labor, but your position is divorced from reality.

So you are saying that installing a dud leader in such a manner is not showing contempt towards the electorate? Or perhaps you mean that sticking by him, not because he is the best they can offer, but because because its the easiest course of action is showing them respect?

Labour ****ed up because they put their factional interests ahead of the electorate. Again.

 

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So you are saying that installing a dud leader in such a manner is not showing contempt towards the electorate? Or perhaps you mean that sticking by him, not because he is the best they can offer, but because because its the easiest course of action is showing them respect?

Labour stuffed up because they put their factional interests ahead of the electorate. Again.

Again, this is divorced from reality. The party didn't choose to put factional interests ahead of the electorate, they have an electoral process for leader and Shortens backers are accused of rigging the vote via branch stacking, much to the angst of the larger left aligned side of the party.

It also has nothing to do with easiest, it is about what they can do based on party rules. Everybody wanted Labor to be less topsy turvy when it came to party leadership challenges, well this is the result.

So called contempt for the electorate has nothing to do with it. Stability can have costs.

 

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All youve done is explain how and why they have treated the electorate with contempt. As if it somehow excuses them. As if it changes anything.

You're welcome to claim i'm divorced from reality as often as you want. But it rings pretty hollow.

 

[Pessimistic]

So you are saying that installing a dud leader in such a manner is not showing contempt towards the electorate? Or perhaps you mean that sticking by him, not because he is the best they can offer, but because because its the easiest course of action is showing them respect?

Labour stuffed up because they put their factional interests ahead of the electorate. Again.

I someone disagrees with your opinion he is a dud leader, your entire argument fails. Bolt would be proud of you

 

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I someone disagrees with your opinion he is a dud leader, your entire argument fails. Bolt would be proud of you

What? Of course someone will disagree with me, you will find people on all side of any topic. They are called the fringe.

And given Shorten has a 17% approval rating, 'fringe' is the perfect descriptor for his supporters. He doesn't even have the support of the rusted on labour voters.

Labour put up a dud candidate who is clearley out of his depth, and have stood by him. The electorate is shouting at them that he is not good enough; to take him to an election expecting people to vote for him is showing them contempt.

 

[Pessimistic]

What? Of course someone will disagree with me, you will find people on all side of any topic. They are called the fringe.

And given Shorten has a 17% approval rating, 'fringe' is the perfect descriptor for his supporters. He doesn't even have the support of the rusted on labour voters.

Labour put up a dud candidate who is clearley out of his depth, and have stood by him. The electorate is shouting at them that he is not good enough; to take him to an election expecting people to vote for him is showing them contempt.

One was just PM for 2 years. People should be grateful the new opposition leader hasn't chosen to reinforce oppn leader abbotts approach to public life.

Oh no, but the rabids like you describe his raising the standards as "weakness'. you lot clearly have two sets of standards

its one side of politics which displays contempt. one example stands out bronny bishop. in opposition she was the peoples champion searching out waste and holding those to account. now shes probably spent what she saved a few hundred limes over.

so she must think in her mind its only waste when people with grubby working class backgrounds do it.

 

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All youve done is explain how and why they have treated the electorate with contempt. As if it somehow excuses them. As if it changes anything.

You're welcome to claim i'm divorced from reality as often as you want. But it rings pretty hollow.

You are a plonker.

Treats the electorate with contempt hahahaha, this is one of the most juvenille, silly and innapropriate summaries I have seen on Australian political goings on in a while.

 

[PetrikDngerfild]

It's unfair how much Bill Shorten is getting slogged in the polls.

I thought he was pretty cool guy.

 

[Demosthenes]

Hi Bill.

 

[Pessimistic]

Shorten should go the "if you want a government with labor policies (eg R&D tax exemptions) why not elect a labor govt anyway" line

 

[hamohawk1]

the benefit turnball has is being able to correct obvious mistakes tony was making, furthering the 'good guy' image. with all this positive media he will cruise in a victory with nothing more than a canter.

 

[MisterMarcus]

First set of polls back after the break show effectively no change. Real "Teflon Turnbull" stuff....

Morgan and ReachTel still show thumping leads for the LNP and Turnbull personally (55-56 vs 44-45).

Essential again has it much tighter at 51-49, although they have been much tighter than the other polls, so this is only 1% change since last time.

 

[ep2018]

Are Labor waiting for Turnbull to call an election before they knife Shorten?

 

[Pessimistic]

Are Labor waiting for Turnbull to call an election before they knife Shorten?

They dont have the flexibility anymore

 

[Rustin Cohle]

How the hell has Shorten not "stepped aside" yet? It's almost like Labor actually want to lose the election.

 

[NTRabbit]

Just like their carbon copies in the Libs, the Labor right isn't capable of understanding, or accepting that the left faction, such as it is, getting control back is the only way to win.

 

[Pessimistic]

Lib preselection is a factor now. if libs gain several seats, mostly to right faction, that factions MPs may be able to unseat Malcolm. Then they become unelectable again.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Libs winning the election then knifing Turnbull for Abbott would be awesome.

 

[ep2018]

Libs winning the election then knifing Turnbull for Abbott would be awesome.

While a Turnbull knifing isn't out of the question, they would go for someone else than to go with Abbott again. Abbott is gone.

 

[Gough]

While a Turnbull knifing isn't out of the question, they would go for someone else than to go with Abbott again. Abbott is gone.

Try telling him that.

 

[pjcrows]

Abbott's issue is he was never popular, and now would be even less popular. There would be no support for his return from the public. Complete contrast to Rudd's return.