Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[MarcusP2]

If we delist Himmelberg he's a delisted free agent and anyone can take him for nothing.

 

[Orange crush]

If we delist Himmelberg he's a delisted free agent and anyone can take him for nothing.

True but we are potentially the only ones keen …. Still I’m not sure it’s a great idea. Look at norf and the greenwood poach

 

[Crows I Am]

I reckon that's a pretty good effort for a hypothetical.

Geelong definitely takes that.

Essendon I'm not really sure about - depends on how set they are on O'Sullivan (who is likely to be taken with 9). I think it's a good deal for them overall, but I'm not sure if they'd agree (I feel like they would though).

If that deal guarantees both O'Sullivan and Wilson for us, then it could be worth it. But it does mean we miss out two first round picks.

I think if we got 31 and Geelong got the F2, it'd be closer to fair value. But then I'm not convinced the other two clubs say yes to that.

We are only giving up 1 first rounder not 2. We will end up with 2 first rounders this year in that deal rather than 3.

 

[Vader]

True but we are potentially the only ones keen …. Still I’m not sure it’s a great idea. Look at norf and the greenwood poach

We're definitely not the only ones interested in Himmelberg - GWS being the obvious potential poacher.

Of all the players who are out of contract in 2024, and who are borderline (or worse) for getting a new contract thereafter, Himmelberg is by far the least likely to be delisted this year. We're desperately short of backup tall options, at both ends of the ground. They had the opportunity of trading him to GWS, and knocked it back - there is 0% chance of them reversing that position now.

 

[Orange crush]

We're definitely not the only ones interested in Himmelberg - GWS being the obvious potential poacher.

Of all the players who are out of contract in 2024, and who are borderline (or worse) for getting a new contract thereafter, Himmelberg is by far the least likely to be delisted this year. We're desperately short of backup tall options, at both ends of the ground. They had the opportunity of trading him to GWS, and knocked it back - there is 0% chance of them reversing that position now.

Yes … we are the likely ones to take him …. His delisting was mooted above as part of a pick swap between you crow lads and us

 

[Fritz n Sauce]

Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

23

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

delisted with the promise of rookie drafting him

 

[1970crow]

Will Hamill delisted with the promise of rookie drafting him

my order of preference was Sloane, Sholl and then Hamill.

 

[Danger in Texas]

my order of preference was Sloane, Sholl and then Hamill.

Sholl before Hamill?

Agree on Sloane but we all know that was never happening

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sholl before Hamill?

Agree on Sloane but we all know that was never happening

Hamill needs to retire for his own long term health imo.

 

[1970crow]

Sholl before Hamill?

Agree on Sloane but we all know that was never happening

Just reckon we've seen a lot of Sholl and I don't think there's anything more there. I reckon Hamill has a higher ceiling and hasn't ever really had a decent run at it. Both will almost certainly fade away as depth, but there's a small chance Hamill doesn't.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Just reckon we've seen a lot of Sholl and I don't think there's anything more there. I reckon Hamill has a higher ceiling and hasn't ever really had a decent run at it. Both will almost certainly fade away as depth, but there's a small chance Hamill doesn't.

Main problem is that Hamill’s never really developed an ability to show consistent production. Having raw speed and not a lot else isn’t going to get you AFL games

Concussion issues have definitely hampered his development, though

FWIW I doubt Sholl and Hamill are on our list beyond next year - Hamill the lesser risk to be taken by another club due to said concussion issues

 

[UcantCme]

i’ll take Hanill over Schol every day


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[bonehilda]

 

[Danger in Texas]

We all know it’ll end up being Matty Wright lol

Edit: does us ‘sounding out’ Lappin and Bolton mean we missed on them too?

 

[MRB37]

We all know it’ll end up being Matty Wright lol

Edit: does us ‘sounding out’ Lappin and Bolton mean we missed on them too?

At least it appears they didn't go there as a first option

 

[Sanders]

What they mean is senior assistant money

Which is probably fair enough

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Surely we have senior assistant money after the increase in the soft cap...

 

[MRB37]

Surely we have senior assistant money after the increase in the soft cap...

It wasn't an increase in the soft cap, it was moving 20% of the Senior Coaches salary off the books. I would assume Nicks isn't among the upper echelon of highest paid coaches in the league, which means we get less of a bonus compared to the likes of North Melbourne or Gold Coast who would be paying their coaches a lot more (and what a surprise the move worked out that way)

 

[Cap]

Surely we have senior assistant money after the increase in the soft cap...

Surely we just pay what we need to not go backwards

 

[MRB37]

Surely we just pay what we need to not go backwards

Problem is it's potentially one of those scenarios where it can throw the whole pay structure out of whack when you put an assistant on the same salary as a senior.

 

[BACCS]

Surely we just pay what we need to not go backwards

Well it seems we were prepared to, Dew and Rutten would’ve taken top dollar to get over, but they wanted the senior title that Burns has. Frustrating, but what else can you do? Burns deserves his senior title

 

[Cap]

Problem is it's potentially one of those scenarios where it can throw the whole pay structure out of whack when you put an assistant

Maybe, but the alternative is paying peanuts and getting the equivalent talent.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It wasn't an increase in the soft cap, it was moving 20% of the Senior Coaches salary off the books. I would assume Nicks isn't among the upper echelon of highest paid coaches in the league, which means we get less of a bonus compared to the likes of North Melbourne or Gold Coast who would be paying their coaches a lot more (and what a surprise the move worked out that way)

That 20% of Nick's salary that can be added to what we were paying for our previous assistant!

 

[El Doederino]

Well it seems we were prepared to, Dew and Rutten would’ve taken top dollar to get over, but they wanted the senior title that Burns has. Frustrating, but what else can you do? Burns deserves his senior title

I’m sure it’s a different pay scale for assistant v senior assistant

They would have been offered less than Burns and less than Dew is likely to be getting at Bulldogs

 

[BACCS]

I’m sure it’s a different pay scale for assistant v senior assistant

They would have been offered less than Burns and less than Dew is likely to be getting at Bulldogs

Yep that’s a fair call