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News Tarryn Thomas - 18 matches and sacked from North Melbourne
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Deflect.. LOL! We made the right call. Waited for the AFL to investigate, let him have "his day in court", they deemed he'd screwed up, suspended him for basically the season, and then we sacked him.
I could only imagine the pile on we would have copped from the AFLPA, Norf haters, and nuffies on here, had we sacked him before the AFL had completed their investigation.
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Pretty easy to do a google search to see that the case went to court and Buckley was found not guilty of culpable driving. Jury found that the taxi driver was more culpable in causing the accident despite Buckley being over the limit. Different times back then. Pretty hard to punish a player found not guilty by the courts.
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North did do the right thing.
12 months to late but hey kudos for getting dragged screaming and kicking into doing the right thing.
You're suggesting another Carlton Crew/Hawthorn crew scenario at the Saints?
“Viney said North Melbourne do not yet have any clarity as to how Thomas would move to another club for next season, should a team wish to recruit him, and that it would be worked out in the course of finalising the end of his contract.”
Yes, he’s been ‘sacked’ but he won’t be removed from their list until that side of things is sorted out.
So it’s unlikely he’ll be able to nominate for the MSD.
It’s North Melbourne - if they did delist him now and another club grabbed him they’d more than likely ask the league for compensation.
In some ways, I actually agree with the approach North have taken.
Yes, they could definately have sacked him earlier than they did and at the very least, perhaps should have been suspended him from football.
Their approach, however, to provide supports around Tarryn, enroll him in education programs, provide mentors, etc I think was the right approach. Working toward changing his behaviour for the sake of his (current and future) victims is always priority one - and more important than football or the "North Melbourne brand". They recognised that they drafted a 17 year old from a tough background who had some serious issues in relation to his attitude toward women. These attitudes are unfortunately still quite prevalent in our society and are very often a 'learnt' behaviour (i.e. most often a result of the relationships and attitudes you have grown up witnessing).
Without re-education and good role models, behaviour like this is often lifelong (unlike some other problematic behaviours that are typically grown out of). After he vowed to 'turn over a new leaf' and was in the midst of his education program, it has come to light that he continued threatening and abusive behaviour throughout. This is the point that North have chosen to sack him (once this was substantiated and punishments handed out) and advise that any future education now needs to be at his own expense. Happy to be corrected but I understand the AFL also imposed behavioural and educational stipulations before he is permitted to re-register to play again, which I think is also an appropriate move and ensures he is not drafted without any attempted remedy (and that he still has a motivation to address his issues).
In short, I am ok with North not having sacked him to now because even though there was self interested involved (as a talented player), they clearly were invested into addressing his behaviours and protecting the victims, which should always be priority 1 (unfortunately, their efforts were in vain).
Yes, they could definately have sacked him earlier than they did and at the very least, perhaps should have been suspended him from football.
Their approach, however, to provide supports around Tarryn, enroll him in education programs, provide mentors, etc I think was the right approach. Working toward changing his behaviour for the sake of his (current and future) victims is always priority one - and more important than football or the "North Melbourne brand". They recognised that they drafted a 17 year old from a tough background who had some serious issues in relation to his attitude toward women. These attitudes are unfortunately still quite prevalent in our society and are very often a 'learnt' behaviour (i.e. most often a result of the relationships and attitudes you have grown up witnessing).
Without re-education and good role models, behaviour like this is often lifelong (unlike some other problematic behaviours that are typically grown out of). After he vowed to 'turn over a new leaf' and was in the midst of his education program, it has come to light that he continued threatening and abusive behaviour throughout. This is the point that North have chosen to sack him (once this was substantiated and punishments handed out) and advise that any future education now needs to be at his own expense. Happy to be corrected but I understand the AFL also imposed behavioural and educational stipulations before he is permitted to re-register to play again, which I think is also an appropriate move and ensures he is not drafted without any attempted remedy (and that he still has a motivation to address his issues).
In short, I am ok with North not having sacked him to now because even though there was self interested involved (as a talented player), they clearly were invested into addressing his behaviours and protecting the victims, which should always be priority 1 (unfortunately, their efforts were in vain).
No offence, but I wonder how much John Elliott had to do with that.
Would he be able to nominate for the msd anyway? Not sure what the rules are but I would be very surprised if it was allowed.
HotPiesWithSauce
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Inclined to think that someone should have taken away his phone after the last time, but I have a suspicion that he'd manage to get in trouble even if he had to communicate by carrier pigeon
If North released him then he could be eligble but his suspension will continue...what l don't know is how it effects Norths salary cap as even a payout, Tarryn's salary is still on the books but say he nominated for MSD and picked up, does the amount left on his contract go off Norths cap and onto the club who drafted him?
Anyway, North did what was required last year, gave him all the help and resources the player needed and waited till all the criminal court cases were dealt with and when he was found not guilty, he was on his last and final warning and allowed back into the club and played.
Having a female president, female CEO and contending AFLW team, this was the last straw and really, cannot be tolerated in todays AFL club lands or society but l guess he's now learnt the hard way!!
Such a gifted but troubled young player will always lure a team who thinks their 'culture and leadership' environment can get the best out of him and good luck but 18 weeks out of football with a paidout salary, North still provding help, isn't going to change his behaviour...maybe a few years in lower leagues and getting smacked up by a female MMA fighter might wake him up!
What a waste!!
Didn't stop St Kilda from sacking a later found innocent Andrew Lovett
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Thanks for that I had thought it was for something that allegedly happened prior to undertaking education and had just come to light.
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fair point, albeit I think from memory Lovett was charged with sexual assault?
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Richmond has someone on their list who actually went to prison, and is currently charged with more offences.
Unless society deems offences against women, which right now are unproven in court, to be worse, there is a way that Thomas could be drafted again.
I support our decision though.
Unless society deems offences against women, which right now are unproven in court, to be worse, there is a way that Thomas could be drafted again.
I support our decision though.
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What has been established as fact? What did he actually do?
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What has been established to the satisfaction of the decision maker is that he infringed the AFL respect and responsibility. You don’t get to know the detail, since that policy assures complaintants that matters dealt with under the policy will do no more harm
Get over it
Yep, can't argue with any of that. I think North have handled it well.
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Not sure why Stringer comes into this. A more direct Essendon comparison is Andrew Lovett, up to and including the text messages.
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Will he go back to the state league and do the graft to get another chance? Stengle went back to the SANFL and kicked 50 odd goals to get a lifeline.
Would think he would have to at least do that to tempt someone. Drug possession offence for Stengle is in isolation, alleged offences against women in the era of AFLW is going to be a hard sell.
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None. It was a court of law. A full jury found him not guilty. John Elliott never had that sort of power. Maybe in his own mind.
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Mate, this is not a pile on. the community should be rightly disgusted by his choices as an ADULT. if he wants to rebuild and overcome this , fine he can function in society on his merits like the rest of but it needs to be away from any form of football. I'd be surprised if any club at any level would want him as part of their community and part of their organisation/brand. Until he takes full accountability of his actions he wont be any where near football. Problem is someone like him lacks the insight to take responsibility and accountibility for their actions.
The people who have heard the evidence just suspended him for 18 weeks.
That should be enough for most people to form an opinion.
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McRae will be wrapping his arms around him in 12 months
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