Sydney and Port Adelaide being AFL controlled is why their coaches escape media scrutiny

[Taper]

Let's say you're right, and Hinkley is the Barassi equivalent (he isn't but let's say he is). If Barassi coached for as long as Donuts Hinkley did he would be coaching Sydney in the 2004 season, and contracted for the 2005 season. No Eade, no Roos. This Barassi doesn't make the 1996 grand final. Is a 12-years-in Barassi winning the 2005 premiership?

After Geelong had their lowest ever finish they brought in Bomber Thompson, won 2 premierships, and still felt comfortable moving him on after 11 years. Taper are you saying "But he saved the club he should be around forever" about him as well?

We're the only club beholden to keep on the longest serving loser in AFL history, and we're told we're stupid for wanting anything else. It's a joke

Remember where Sydney were at when Barassi arrived?
Remember where Port were at when Hinkley arrived?
It's a valid comparison and the fact Port have decided to hold onto Hinkley for as long as they have doesn't change that.

Also, we didn't get rid of Thompson.
He chose to resign as coach because he was feeling burnt out after 11 years in the job.

 

[Papa G]

Remember where Sydney were at when Barassi arrived?
Remember where Port were at when Hinkley arrived?
It's a valid comparison and the fact Port have decided to hold onto Hinkley for as long as they have doesn't change that.

Also, we didn't get rid of Thompson.
He chose to resign as coach because he was feeling burnt out after 11 years in the job.

You love to weirdly post about the Adelaide teams, more specifically Port, but this post proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you are either trolling or simply have NFI. Or a Hinkley relative as a third option....which probably points back to option 2.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Remember where Port were at when Hinkley arrived?

Yes I do. 14th.

Western Bulldogs were 15th. They've since made two grand finals and won a flag. Melbourne were 16th. They've since won a flag. GWS were 18th. They've since made a grand final.

 

[Taper]

You love to weirdly post about the Adelaide teams, more specifically Port, but this post proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you are either trolling or simply have NFI. Or a Hinkley relative as a third option....which probably points back to option 2.

You love to post about Victorians a lot.
South Australians think Victorians are out to get them.

Yes I do. 14th.

Western Bulldogs were 15th. They've since made two grand finals and won a flag. Melbourne were 16th. They've since won a flag. GWS were 18th. They've since made a grand final.

Melbourne are an MCG tenant club.
Far easier for them to win flags than it is for non MCG tenant clubs.

Bulldogs under Beveridge have been stuck in mid table mediocrity not too dissimilar to Port under Hinkley.
They had luck on their side in 2016 and 2021 as they didn't have to face dynasty teams in the preliminary finals.

Ken took Port to within a kick of a grand final in 2014 and got close again in 2020, it's just unlucky they came up against dynasty teams in the preliminary finals.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Bulldogs under Beveridge have been stuck in mid table mediocrity not too dissimilar to Port under Hinkley.
They had luck on their side in 2016 and 2021 as they didn't have to face dynasty teams in the preliminary finals.

Ken took Port to within a kick of a grand final in 2014 and got close again in 2020, it's just unlucky they came up against dynasty teams in the preliminary finals.

Who did the Bulldogs beat in the 2021 prelim again? Your post glossed over that part for some reason.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

I think Taper is Ken. Far too protective of him for someone with no skin in the game.

 

[jdeezy]

I think Taper is Ken. Far too protective of him for someone with no skin in the game.

Easiest way to check would be to see if he's posted between late September and early February or if he goes on a classic Donuts sabbatical then

 

[Taper]

Who did the Bulldogs beat in the 2021 prelim again? Your post glossed over that part for some reason.

Like I said, the Bulldogs didn't have to face a dynasty team in either the 2016 or 2021 preliminary finals.
You can say the Bulldogs were a little fortunate with the umpiring in the 2016 preliminary final.

2021 preliminary final on the other hand - it appeared to be a case of Port players drinking their bathwater after beating us in the qualifying final two weeks earlier, and I don't think you can blame the coach for that.

 

[Schulzenfest]

2021 preliminary final on the other hand - it appeared to be a case of Port players drinking their bathwater after beating us in the qualifying final two weeks earlier, and I don't think you can blame the coach for that.

Lol. You can absolutely blame the coach for that. That's, like, one of the main things you can blame a coach for.

What do Ken Hinkley's defenders think a coach actually does? Apparently he has no responsibility for the quality of our list and no responsibility for getting the players up mentally for big games. Just the world's highest paid interchange steward I guess.

 

[SC_Power]

2021 preliminary final on the other hand - it appeared to be a case of Port players drinking their bathwater after beating us in the qualifying final two weeks earlier, and I don't think you can blame the coach for that.

Nah you clearly didn't watch the game. Positional moves were just ridiculous in sone ways.

Example..

Willem Drew kept Liberatore to just 17 touches in the final minor round when Port beat the Bulldogs.
So what does smart Ken do?
Drew starts on the bench.
And Libba gets the first clearance. And the second. Gets 5 touches in the first 5 minutes and 10 in the first quarter when the damage was done.
Smart Ken then realises, puts Drew back on Libba.
Libba gets just 10 touches in the last 3 quarters.
Good Ken. Smart Ken. Here, have a contract extension.

 

[Eshay187]

How many coaches are out there who are better than Longmire or Hinkley?

A coach has to be replaced with someone, ideally someone better, we all realise that right?

 

[sobrave]

How many coaches are out there who are better than Longmire or Hinkley?

A coach has to be replaced with someone, ideally someone better, we all realise that right?

How many coaches are out there who are better than Buckley or Cameron?

Oh, two guys who have never had a head coach job before but instantly made their club exponentially better?

 

[Eshay187]

How many coaches are out there who are better than Buckley or Cameron?

Oh, two guys who have never had a head coach job before but instantly made their club exponentially better?

So 1 example of it working (as per this threads demands of a premiership). How many counter examples do you reckon I could come up with? Maybe 100?

 

[Bonz]

I cannot speak for Port Adelaide and Hinkley.

But as a Swans fan I am very comfortable and happy with Longmire, yes our record in grand finals isn't brilliant, but he traditionally has us around the mark and I think he is one of the best coaches at developing/ nurturing talent in the game.

I wouldn't want to risk what we have for a potential untried coach

 

[sobrave]

So 1 example of it working (as per this threads demands of a premiership). How many counter examples do you reckon I could come up with? Maybe 100?

What the s**t are you talking about? The vast majority of coaches who won a premiership haven't won one before. It's much rarer for an experienced premiership coach to win another one at a second club.

It's completely without any precedent for someone to win one, when they haven't even made a grand final in 12 years.

Changing coaches doesn't guarantee you a flag. Of course not. It doesn't guarantee you'll get better. But it gives you a chance.

Chance of ken Hinkley winning a flag after 11 years and no grand finals, doing something that no one has ever done in 130+ years of AFL history: maybe 2%.

Chance of port winning a flag at some point in the next 4 years, with a stacked midfield of butters, Rozee and JHF with a new coach: at least 25%.

We have no hope. Despite another top 4 finish looking likely, basically no one thinks we're a chance, because we've got the same inefficient game style, and the same mentally weak coach instilling his anxiety and fears in the players.

Was getting rid of Leon Cameron a bad move? Kingsley spanked ken in the semi final last year and GWS are now flag favourites.

 

[sobrave]

I cannot speak for Port Adelaide and Hinkley.

But as a Swans fan I am very comfortable and happy with Longmire, yes our record in grand finals isn't brilliant, but he traditionally has us around the mark and I think he is one of the best coaches at developing/ nurturing talent in the game.

I wouldn't want to risk what we have for a potential untried coach

You can have Kenny

 

[Bonz]

You can have Kenny

Think we will pass

 

[Havoc]

You can have Kenny

Opposition fans and media personalities all talk about how great Hinkley is for Port... but when it comes to having Hinkley coaching their own club.. they wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole! Says it all really!!

 

[Taper]

Take off ya tin foil hat ya clown

Not a tin foil hat just stating facts.

Bulldogs are member controlled.
Port are AFL controlled.

Beveridge is copping the blowtorch from all angles.
Hinkley is copping little to no media scrutiny.

Connect the dots.

 

[Freomaniac]

You love to weirdly post about the Adelaide teams, more specifically Port, but this post proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you are either trolling or simply have NFI. Or a Hinkley relative as a third option....which probably points back to option 2.

your hatred of Ken Hinkley is a bit over the top lol

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Not a tin foil hat just stating facts.

Bulldogs are member controlled.
Port are AFL controlled.

Beveridge is copping the blowtorch from all angles.
Hinkley is copping little to no media scrutiny.

Connect the dots.

You're not that far off...but it's for the wrong reasoning. You don't need the conspiracy to see it.

The reality is the biased Vic-Media are implored to talk about what gets them viewership & clicks, and therefore makes them money.

That's all this is. It's a business before all else.

It's why every year a Victorian club in turmoil is going to be discussed more often than an interstate club flying at the top of the ladder. It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it is.

We're seeing it live with the troubles at Norf, Richmond, & Hawthorn somehow being higher in the pecking order than the form of GWS & Sydney, or in past years, Port.

Port don't warrant a mention in their eyes...and the talking heads like Lloyd, King, Hutchison, & Barrett don't care enough about Port Adelaide to know the clubs history, Kens failings, or even something as simple as the players on the list.

If the same situation had been going on at North for Barrett & King, or Essendon for Lloyd, they would've used their platforms years ago to force change, like they have with Scott, Woosha, & Rutten in the past with considerably less patience.

On the rare occasions Port are discussed on these panels, they just ask Kane whatever he thinks and go from there.

It's all surface level, and he's a Hinkley man. Like a good minister of propaganda he tells us all is fine, and they move on.

It does work both ways though. On one hand, you're rarely given credit for what your club is doing...which as a fan sucks.

On the other hand, the clubs failures avoid the blowtorch, which in a case like Sydney's GF record is awfully convenient. A Victorian club wouldn't be afforded that luxury.

In the case of Port though, their supporters are (rightfully) fed up that their clubs failings escape the spotlight, and things just keep rolling along year on year.

It's infuriating, and there wouldn't be another club that can relate. Bevo at least has a flag and another GF, Longmire likewise, so there's some hope to hold your hat on if you're a positive type.

Port have none of that. Their supporters have to go into every year knowing nothing's going to change from a success POV, and they can't even hope that they suck enough to provide media pressure, as nobody cares enough to do that either.

Personally, in a world where good coaches are rare, I do believe Hinkley is one.

With that being said, he shouldn't be the coach of Port Adelaide. If you cannot win a flag in 12 years, or build a list capable of doing so, you can't continue with the same man at the helm.

The aim of the game is to win premierships, and only minnows and those on club boards more worried about profit margins think otherwise.

Who knows if the new guy will be the next McRae or the next Noble...but you have to take that chance, as what they're doing now isn't working.

 

[ibd77]

your hatred of Ken Hinkley is a bit over the top lol

Not one persons hatred, most of BF's Port members has hatred and it ain't over the top. Other social media platforms are finally cottoning on to the fraud.

 

[Eternal Schism]

Longmire coached his first list to a flag, and two more grand finals, one of which was in the balance till the final quarter. 2011-2018 they played finals, Two minor premierships, with an overall 131W-63L record during that time span. He got his side to rebuild on the run without fully bottoming out & took a new team to the 2022 grand final, and looking thereabouts again this year. He's a good coach, and deserves to be WITHOUT scrutiny, because not only did he have one list that had a strong tilt at a premiership, but he's into leading this second window with a completely new set of players.

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is the best comparison, someone who took his side to a flag over a decade after his first, having not bottomed out. Sydney haven't been quite as good, and jury is out if he gets that 2nd flag, but anyone who can do so deserves that respect as we've seen countless premiership coaches fail to go to the summit again, it's more likely at another club that they do it.

Hinkley is more like Rodney Eade. I was going to say Ross Lyon, but Ross has taken two clubs to grand finals & realistically was a dinky bounce away from being a premiership coach. Ross is clearly able to produce better results at their peaks.