Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[jackb_93]

god damn, why in the hell are we "linked" to Zac Smith

Not linked at all. Just the media noting that we may be looking for a ruckman.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Be interested to know where the Cats get the cash to retain everyone, plus add Dangerfield AND Henderson AND S Selwood to their list.

Obviously paying some of their mid-tier players minimum salaries.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Ha! It's the strange way of writing ludicrous.

Surely he's dreaming at $600K a year? Sounds like a mid-season 2014 Frawley price.

What about $250K, plus allowing him to keep the car and cash when he wins Mark of the Year?

 

[Roscoe_au]

http://afl.to/1gnvpcq


• Who's on the move? Check out the status of 2015's free agents

WHO are the big names set to find themselves new homes in October's player exchange period?

AFL.com.au has cast its eye over the players most in demand with rival clubs and gives its verdict on who stays and who goes.

Patrick Dangerfield, Adelaide, restricted free agent
Despite the best efforts of most Victorian clubs, this year's biggest free agency fish will either stay at Adelaide or move to Geelong to be closer to his family home at nearby Moggs Creek. We expect the two-time All Australian to accept an offer from the Cats of about $800,000 a season over five years. We don't think the Crows will stand in his way by matching the offer.

Steven Motlop, Geelong, out of contract
The 24-year-old game-breaker has attracted significant rival interest, with Richmond and Adelaide understood to be leading the chase. Geelong is increasingly confident of re-signing Motlop, but a new deal is believed to be some way off. Geelong's efforts to retain the midfielder are complicated by its simultaneous pursuit of Dangerfield, Lachie Henderson, Scott Selwood and, possibly, Matthew Leuenberger, and by Motlop's ability to attract more than $500,000 a season on the open market.

Lewis Jetta, Sydney Swans, out of contract
The West Australian is grappling with whether to recommit to the Swans or seek a trade back home with his young family. Although Jetta would likely attract sizeable offers from West Coast and Fremantle, it is believed money will be a secondary factor in his decision. This year's AFL-imposed restrictions on the Swans mean they can only trade for draft picks and/or players on about $350,000 or less.

Adam Treloar, Greater Western Sydney, out of contract
The Giants have done remarkably well this year to re-sign young stars Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel, Devon Smith, Stephen Coniglio and Will Hoskin-Elliott, but Treloar looks set to leave. The midfielder has reportedly attracted seven-year offers from North Melbourne and Richmond, but appears poised to join Collingwood on a five-year deal believed to be worth about $750,000 a season.

Adam Treloar is one of the few big-name Giants yet to re-sign. Picture: AFL Media

Charlie Dixon, Gold Coast, out of contract
The Queenslander is being heavily courted by the Brisbane Lions, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and Adelaide, with deals of up to $800,000 a season believed to be on the table. The Suns want to re-sign Dixon but aren't prepared to enter a bidding war. We expect the 25-year-old will ultimately request a trade, probably to the Lions.

Jake Carlisle, Essendon, out of contract
The Bombers big man has struggled in attack this season but is in serious demand among rival clubs, with the Western Bulldogs, Carlton and North Melbourne already linked to him. The Bombers are understood to be increasingly confident of re-signing the 23-year-old, but will be competing with offers of up to $700,000 a season and teams prepared to play him exclusively in defence. Carlisle is believed to be reluctant to move outside Victoria.

Chris Yarran, Carlton, prospective 2016 restricted free agent
It seems more and more likely that the explosive playmaker will be traded at the end of this season if the Blues can broker a suitable trade. Industry sources suggest that Yarran would only net the Blues a second-round compensation pick if he was to leave as a free agent at the end of next season, so a team offering a late first-round pick in October's trade period would probably satisfy Carlton.

Lachie Henderson, Carlton, out of contract
Carlton remains hopeful of retaining Henderson, but Geelong and the Western Bulldogs have made big plays for the 25-year-old swingman. Like Dangerfield, it is understood Henderson will either re-sign or move to Simonds Stadium. The Cats appear slight favourites to get their man, who could command up to $600,000 a season.

Scott Selwood, West Coast, restricted free agent
The chance to play with his elder brother Joel at Geelong seems the only thing that could entice Selwood to leave West Coast, a prospect that seems increasingly likely. Given the Eagles vice-captain is expected to be offered about $500,000 a season by the Cats, West Coast might be happy to bank what could be an end-of-first-round compensation pick.

Matthew Leuenberger, Brisbane Lions, restricted free agent
Several teams are in the market for a ruckman this season and Leuenberger is one of the most keenly sought after, with Essendon, Geelong and the Western Bulldogs understood to be interested. The Lions seem to have settled on Stefan Martin as their No.1 ruckman, so the West Australian could see more opportunity elsewhere. The Lions can match any rival offer for Leuenberger, but could be willing to let him go if the prospective compensation pick is attractive enough. The Sydney Swans would like to make a play for the ruckman but won't be serious contenders because of their trade restrictions.

Jeremy Howe, Melbourne, out of contract
The high-flying utility has put off contract talks with the Demons to the end of the season and his future remains clouded. Greater Western Sydney made a late play for Howe in last year's trade period and a number of other clubs are believed to be monitoring him carefully. Industry sources suggest Howe could attract rival offers of up to $600,000 a season, which Melbourne is unlikely to match.

Robbie Tarrant, North Melbourne, unrestricted free agent
A revelation since being moved to the backline this season, the 26-year-old has attracted interest from clubs including Hawthorn, Fremantle, the Brisbane Lions and St Kilda, and is understood to have one offer of more than $500,000 a season. However, Tarrant would prefer to stay at North and is prepared to accept less money to do so.

Matthew Suckling, Hawthorn, unrestricted free agent
The sweet-kicking left-footer must decide between pursuing more premierships at Hawthorn or accepting a decent pay hike at the rebuilding Brisbane Lions. The Lions are understood to be offering Suckling about $400,000 a season, an offer that the Hawks won't get close to matching. If he is part of a second premiership team this season, we suspect the defender will take the money and run.

Will Matthew Suckling head north to play for the Brisbane Lions? Picture: AFL Media

James Aish, Brisbane Lions, out of contract
The second-year midfielder was this week ruled out for the rest of 2015 with a finger injuryand we suspect he has played his last game for the Lions. Carlton appears to be the front-runner for the South Australian's services, with Collingwood also interested but more focused on securing Treloar. Adelaide also has its hat in the ring, but Aish is believed to favour a move to Victoria.

Matthew Scharenberg, Collingwood, out of contract
The South Australian has yet to re-sign amid speculation he has struggled to settle in Victoria since Collingwood claimed him with pick No.6 in the 2013 national draft. The 191cm utility is a special talent and the Pies remain confident he will stay, but rumours persist he will seek a trade to Adelaide or Port Adelaide.

Zac Smith, Gold Coast, out of contract
The Queenslander has struggled for opportunities this season with the Suns largely preferring Tom Nicholls as their No.1 ruckman. The 25-year-old has already been linked with Essendon and could also appeal to other clubs in the market for a ruckman such as Geelong and the Western Bulldogs.

AND …

Gold Coast's Harley Bennell, Brandon Matera and Trent McKenzie are all contracted until the end of 2017 but industry sources suggest all could be up for grabs this trade period.

One thing I will add, is that there are some players on here with some real baggage. It's like nearly every bloke on a teams list we've read has had issues is up for trade this year.

Unless we're serious about jets like O'Meara and push really hard, then we may as well head to the draft with our picks in tact. The more I think about it, I don't think Carlisle or Henderson are worth our first round pick and an established player.

 

[topdog69]

I Listen to Dal on road to the draft earlier this week when he mentioned were are looking for ruck/ forward it sound like we're interested in Fremantle player Zack Clarke !

 

[Dav1d]

Be interested to know where the Cats get the cash to retain everyone, plus add Dangerfield AND Henderson AND S Selwood to their list.

Obviously paying some of their mid-tier players minimum salaries.

they'll also cut Steve Johnson

Surely he's dreaming at $600K a year? Sounds like a mid-season 2014 Frawley price.

What about $250K, plus allowing him to keep the car and cash when he wins Mark of the Year?

I guess that you didn't see Robbie Tarrant for $500k a year

also I'd prefer our club wasn't chasing players that have spent more weeks on the injury list than they've played games

 

[Roscoe_au]

they'll also cut Steve Johnson


I guess that you didn't see Robbie Tarrant for $500k a year

also I'd prefer our club wasn't chasing players that have spent more weeks on the injury list than they've played games

Reckon we should use AFL Fantasy Dream Team pricing as a start - although reckon Toyd would be the first to put his hand up and say "whoa boys...a deal is a deal" if that was the case

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Fwiw I'd taken Bennell in a heartbeat. I'd back in our system to keep him on the straight and narrow, but I know many of you wouldn't.

 

[Super Hans]

I don't rate Howe. No thanks.

 

[Mofra]

Surely he's dreaming at $600K a year? Sounds like a mid-season 2014 Frawley price.

What about $250K, plus allowing him to keep the car and cash when he wins Mark of the Year?

Average salary for an AFL player is over $300k.
A first 22 KP player who can play at either end demands a premium. On the open market Henderson would get $600k, no problem

 

[Zgope1]

If people are worried about losing Bob in a year or two id say Chris Yarran would be a reasonable acquisition

 

[Mofra]

I don't rate Howe. No thanks.

I do... but where does he play? I think mid-sized marking forward is his best spot, and also happens to be a spot we don't need cover for.
I prefer we trade for need and draft for quality (best available).

Not so sure about the ruck/forward need - isn't that what Boyd & Roughead can do? To a lesser extent Tom Campbell although I see him as more a no 1 ruck (and TBH next year, depth).
I'd rather take Leuy as a FA, bring in a mature(ish) KPD and hit the draft - noting we're likely to not cut too deeply given the age profile of our list and the depth we currently have in most areas of the ground

 

[TBOW]

Fwiw I'd taken Bennell in a heartbeat. I'd back in our system to keep him on the straight and narrow, but I know many of you wouldn't.

I would. I'd happily hand over our first pick too.

 

[Super Hans]

Fwiw I'd taken Bennell in a heartbeat. I'd back in our system to keep him on the straight and narrow, but I know many of you wouldn't.

I take what he said on the footy show at face value, looks like he really wants to repay the suns for their faith in him.

If he wants out I'd take him, don't see it happening though.

 

[Reptilia]

Serious question: could Jeremy Howe, ludicrous pay request aside, offer the final piece of our half forward line, being a true aerial threat?

I'm personally not interested at all. Lacks something. Also has been melbourned. Not many players recover from that (if any).

 

[fronkalicious]

Fwiw I'd taken Bennell in a heartbeat. I'd back in our system to keep him on the straight and narrow, but I know many of you wouldn't.

What sort of bloke is he? Anyone genuinely know?? Social drug use doesn't really concern me, but if he's a bad influence on others and a dick, he should never see the red, white and blue.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

What sort of bloke is he? Anyone genuinely know?? Social drug use doesn't really concern me, but if he's a bad influence on others and a dick, he should never see the red, white and blue.

I don't know but I'd say if he was taken pick 2 (?) you'd assume he's of good character.

 

[go you pups]

I don't rate Howe. No thanks.

Unknown quantity in midfield as he has never played in a good side. Could be a weapon.

Can play forward and back also, we need defenders with Boyd and Murphy's time near.

 

[go you pups]

If people are worried about losing Bob in a year or two id say Chris Yarran would be a reasonable acquisition

Oh man, I got hounded on the Bay by GoGriff about thinking like this, thought Zac Tuohy could be an option too with Boyd near the end also.

 

[Doggies7]

Huge no to Yarran. Good footballer when his head is screwed on, but can't keep his temper in check, has been dropped / suspended already this year for not meeting team standards and has had a few issues in the past too. Let someone else deal with him and stick with the good footballers and good people mantra. Especially with a lot of young, impressionable players on our list. Bringing him in would cost a fair bit of $ and move a Dale or Webb or McLean back to the VFL.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I want Howe as a high marking high forward. You can't have enough people who can catch it in the forward line and the way we play, which is punishing turnovers, he'd have a lot of space to showcase his wares. He has an elite trait that no one else in our side has, which could well be used to our advantage. If he can play half forward, take a few marks and have 4 shots on goal a game, he'd be a no brainer to chase.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Huge no to Yarran. Good footballer when his head is screwed on, but can't keep his temper in check, has been dropped / suspended already this year for not meeting team standards and has had a few issues in the past too. Let someone else deal with him and stick with the good footballers and good people mantra. Especially with a lot of young, impressionable players on our list. Bringing him in would cost a fair bit of $ and move a Dale or Webb or McLean back to the VFL.

He suffers the same off field discipline problems that Libba suffers - sometimes you need to look past it a little.

 

[go you pups]

Huge no to Yarran. Good footballer when his head is screwed on, but can't keep his temper in check, has been dropped / suspended already this year for not meeting team standards and has had a few issues in the past too. Let someone else deal with him and stick with the good footballers and good people mantra. Especially with a lot of young, impressionable players on our list. Bringing him in would cost a fair bit of $ and move a Dale or Webb or McLean back to the VFL.

But when Bob and Matt retire say at the end of next year or 2017 we have JJ, Wood and Webb down there with Darley, Fuller and Biggs as back up

Me no like

 

[go you pups]

I want Howe as a high marking high forward. You can't have enough people who can catch it in the forward line and the way we play, which is punishing turnovers, he'd have a lot of space to showcase his wares. He has an elite trait that no one else in our side has, which could well be used to our advantage. If he can play half forward, take a few marks and have 4 shots on goal a game, he'd be a no brainer to chase.

Howe and Stringer would be awesome rotating between half forward and midfield

Trade Grant or Crameri to Melbourne then? 1 of them becomes redundant if Howe comes in for etc

 

[Mofra]

But when Bob and Matt retire say at the end of next year or 2017 we have JJ, Wood and Webb down there with Darley, Fuller and Biggs as back up

Me no like

I doubt Fuller (and perhaps Darley) will be on our list by 2017.

We'll have a selection of possibly 3 talls (Fletcher, Hamling, Henederson/Carlisle perhaps, Talia as depth) with 3 smaller rebounders (Wood, JJ, Biggs or Webb obvious choices plus developing kids such as Zaine Cordy and whomever we draft in the next two years).

I'd love an A grade Murphy type replacement who can run and deliver with elite footskills but they are hard to find.