2016 Forwards

[Thuggee_Cult]

Yeah I understand the logic behind this but I'm not certain he does enough around the ground, or wins enough clean hit outs for increased ruck minutes to be such an advantage for him. I think Tippett's best shot at scoring well is to clunk marks and kick as many goals as possible. He's never been a high possession winner regardless of what role he is playing, so as best as I can figure, goals are his SC meal ticket. Hope for your sake that I am a buffoon. It has been suggested more than once in my life.

He certainly played better football last season when he spent more time in the ruck. Seems to gain confidence from contributing around the action rather than getting frost-bitten (and occasionally lost) in the forward 50. 70/30 split (fwd/ruck) would be what I would be aiming for if I was his coach. But alas, they don't often let buffoons coach...




...except maybe this bloke...

You are right, he probably needs to score 3 plus goals to post a good score and he will put in the occasional shocker so it is a big risk. However, I thought in the back half of 2015 he actually got used to the role more and it was the ground level work he did at the stoppage which stood out for me. Even when he looked like losing a hit out he would neutralise the ball enough to force it straight down to compete for the ground level ball. He did it pretty well against Sandilands in last years QF.

Our first 8 games are Pies (H), Carlton (A) , GWS (H) , Crows (A) , Eagles (H) , Lions (A) and Essendon (H), Richmond(A) . He probably wont win any hit out counts but I can see him getting 15-20 touches and kicking 2-3 each game.

Personally I would prefer him up anchored up forward and playing two specialist ruckmen in his place ( which makes me a buffoon too ), but the coaching staff want to use his mobility.

Don't worry, Im bullish now but come late March my sphincter will have tightened tenfold

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Tippetts form was all over the shop. Tonned up in the last 3 rounds but only 4 times before that.

Some of those teams have decent ruckman and he relied on kinking goals to tonne up.
Stats are SC score, goals and hitouts.

Tonned up against
Melbourne 102, 4, 15
North 100, 2, 8
Brisbane 118, 3, 31
Adelaide 165, 3, 25
GWS 157, 5, 20
St Kilda 115, 3, 15
Gold Coast 119, 2, 15

He had some big games that pushed up his average to 89.5 which he has averaged before anyway.

Buddy missed games in rounds 14, 17, 19, 20, 21.
Tippett missed games in rounds 14 and 17 also. In rounds 19, 20, 21 he scored 86, 64 and 157.
The 157 was against GWS without Mummy wher Tippett played forward and kicked 5 and Sydney had a 89 point win.

So it looks like with Buddy back and Tippett getting 50% ruck and kicking goals against the easier back he might go alright. Big Might though with Sinclair now in the picture.
But remember Sinclair was a forward as a kid and can take a mark and kick a goal. Tippetts competition last year was Pyke who thought the sticks were there so the seagulls had a nice vantage point.

I see a 50/50 ruck/forward role coming up for both Tippett and Sinclair keeping in mind less interchanges and rucks resting forward competition wide.

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

Tippetts form was all over the shop. Tonned up in the last 3 rounds but only 4 times before that.

Some of those teams have decent ruckman and he relied on kinking goals to tonne up.
Stats are SC score, goals and hitouts.

Tonned up against
Melbourne 102, 4, 15
North 100, 2, 8
Brisbane 118, 3, 31
Adelaide 165, 3, 25
GWS 157, 5, 20
St Kilda 115, 3, 15
Gold Coast 119, 2, 15

He had some big games that pushed up his average to 89.5 which he has averaged before anyway.

Buddy missed games in rounds 14, 17, 19, 20, 21.
Tippett missed games in rounds 14 and 17 also. In rounds 19, 20, 21 he scored 86, 64 and 157.
The 157 was against GWS without Mummy wher Tippett played forward and kicked 5 and Sydney had a 89 point win.

So it looks like with Buddy back and Tippett getting 50% ruck and kicking goals against the easier back he might go alright. Big Might though with Sinclair now in the picture.
But remember Sinclair was a forward as a kid and can take a mark and kick a goal. Tippetts competition last year was Pyke who thought the sticks were there so the seagulls had a nice vantage point.

I see a 50/50 ruck/forward role coming up for both Tippett and Sinclair keeping in mind less interchanges and rucks resting forward competition wide.

Cheers, some good stats there ,I'd be keen to see how many of those games were with/without Pyke.

100 against North/Goldy, 165 against Sauce is not too shabby. He would have, at best, had 35-40% ruck time in those games but I would say he would be 50/50 this year.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Cheers, some good stats there ,I'd be keen to see how many of those games were with/without Pyke.

100 against North/Goldy, 165 against Sauce is not too shabby. He would have, at best, had 35-40% ruck time in those games but I would say he would be 50/50 this year.

Tippett Pyke
Tonned up against hitouts
Melbourne 102, 4, 15 39
North 100, 2, 8 19
Brisbane 118, 3, 31 18
Adelaide 165, 3, 25 DNP
GWS 157, 5, 20 29
St Kilda 115, 3, 15 15
Gold Coast 119, 2, 15 13

Based on Pyke's hitout numbers Tippett played 50% ruck, especially late in the year when he became consistant.

 

[Daniel McL]

What are people's thoughts on Jack Billings as an F3 type?

Is he having full pre-season?
Will he play some midfield time in 2016?

 

[Big Bryza]

Going with Martin over Deledio. Should hopefully benefit from the rotation restrictions, and at 600K Deledio just doesn't seem worth it too me.

Been thinking this, I don't want to take both Lids and Chopsticks. Have Deledio atm but might change to Martin. Think he's still got a fair bit of improvement in him SC wise.

Forward set up currently consisting of - Deledio, Dahlhaus, Zorko, Tippett, Cockatoo and Rookie selection.

 

[Magruder]

Will be lucky to play this year. He's still very much a development player, even though he went top 10, he was rated by clubs more on potential rather than being ready to go.

Kreuz, Gorringe & Phillips are all training as R/F's, so I would assume one of those guys will give Kreuz a chop out or even split ruck time. Both apparently training well so not sure on which one will play.

You'd think Phillips will start as MK's support. Gorringe more likely to play a utility role at some stage during the year. If wood gets a run we're struggling on the injury front.

For the blues: kerridge and possible Curnow as selectable Fwds in line for rnd 1

 

[felsty]

What are people's thoughts on Jack Billings as an F3 type?

Is he having full pre-season?
Will he play some midfield time in 2016?

Only just getting back into full fitness now and training with the main group. Has been on a modified program with his shin splints. The next week will tell us more as he will be playing in our praccy match Friday night.

 

[Krujan]

You'd think Phillips will start as MK's support. Gorringe more likely to play a utility role at some stage during the year. If wood gets a run we're struggling on the injury front.

For the blues: kerridge and possible Curnow as selectable Fwds in line for rnd 1

Agreed on all points. I really hope Charlie can make an impact this year.

 

[KardiniaPark]

Agreed on all points. I really hope Charlie can make an impact this year.

I just can't see where they can fit him in.

 

[joop]

I'm running with 3 premos to start; Martin, Zorko & Dahlhaus.
Wingard & Buddy are on my watchlist.

 

[Krujan]

I just can't see where they can fit him in.

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I'm sure I could squeeze him in at F7

 

[Phoenix_9]

I have a 4-0-2 structure in defence, and a 3-0-3 in the forward line. However, I'm really thinking that Tippett as a F6/ruck cover is worth it.

So am considering a change to a 3-0-3 defence, and a 4-0-2 forward line. Not sure where the rookie depth will be this year but it helps when Mitch brown can swing both ways

 

[Mattrox]

I have a 4-0-2 structure in defence, and a 3-0-3 in the forward line. However, I'm really thinking that Tippett as a F6/ruck cover is worth it.

So am considering a change to a 3-0-3 defence, and a 4-0-2 forward line. Not sure where the rookie depth will be this year but it helps when Mitch brown can swing both ways

Isn't the 4, 0 ,2 vs 3, 0, 3 in FWD vs DEF really a matter of which position there are more cash cows that emerge in NAB and get named in Round1?

 

[Gribnoor]

I have a 4-0-2 structure in defence, and a 3-0-3 in the forward line. However, I'm really thinking that Tippett as a F6/ruck cover is worth it.

So am considering a change to a 3-0-3 defence, and a 4-0-2 forward line. Not sure where the rookie depth will be this year but it helps when Mitch brown can swing both ways

It's an interesting question. I like your original format of the two, I certainly think there is more "premo" value/potential in backline then forward.

 

[Phoenix_9]

Isn't the 4, 0 ,2 vs 3, 0, 3 in FWD vs DEF really a matter of which position there are more cash cows that emerge in NAB and get named in Round1?

Yeh I guess it is, but I'm pretty locked into my original 3 forwards, so if I decide Tippett is a good option I need to lose a premo elsewhere. But yeah ultimately the rookies will decide how many in each position.

 

[Phoenix_9]

It's an interesting question. I like your original format of the two, I certainly think there is more "premo" value/potential in backline then forward.

Yeh, that's also another good point, but with that potential/value is also more risk.

What I really want to know is can Tippet play 20+ games and average ~95, whilst providing cover to Goldy/Martin. I think he can

 

[Charlemagne]

Barlow is back in my team now. Giddy Up!

Lyon said the club would tweak the role of midfielder Michael Barlow, whose form tapered away badly towards the end of the season.
"We want to play him more inside-mid than last year," he said. "We felt we took him away from his strengths."

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/r...rd-for-fremantle-dockers-20160204-gmlvm4.html

Ross also convinced some people to start with Clarke last season after saying that Sandilands was going to spend a lot of time deep forward. He has form of talking complete nonsense in the pre-season. He's probably the coach I trust the least with regards to this sort of stuff.

Been thinking this, I don't want to take both Lids and Chopsticks. Have Deledio atm but might change to Martin. Think he's still got a fair bit of improvement in him SC wise.

Forward set up currently consisting of - Deledio, Dahlhaus, Zorko, Tippett, Cockatoo and Rookie selection.

I thought I read Lids hurt his calf again a week or two ago? Only minor but calf injuries tend to linger, especially if it's the same one he struggled with last season. Martin is safer, imo.

 

[Deliverance]

Yeh, that's also another good point, but with that potential/value is also more risk.

What I really want to know is can Tippet play 20+ games and average ~95, whilst providing cover to Goldy/Martin. I think he can

But wait, everyone on BF says Goldy/Martin is set and forget. You only need Tippet if you have a different combo.

 

[Phoenix_9]

They're still going to miss 1-2 games each, what do you do when they miss? Cop a zero?

 

[Deliverance]

They're still going to miss 1-2 games each, what do you do when they miss? Cop a zero?

Sorry, forgot to add the sarcasm emoji.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Sorry, forgot to add the sarcasm emoji.

You forgot to add it again.

 

[MightyMark]

Ross also convinced some people to start with Clarke last season after saying that Sandilands was going to spend a lot of time deep forward. He has form of talking complete nonsense in the pre-season. He's probably the coach I trust the least with regards to this sort of stuff.

I'd say there is more merit to what he is saying about Barlow than Sandi. He took Barlow away from his best position last year, and wants to put him back, I can see that happening.

Sandi on the other hand is at his best inthe ruck, so the only reason to put him up forward is too rest him. He was looking good last year so why waste him in the forward line. As good as Sandi is, he isn't a KPF.

 

[Funk]

Who are people looking at? Can you afford both Lids and Montagna?

I can't believe Dahlhaus is still a FWD. Get on him.

I also really like one of Billings, Merrett or Heeney. Liked Hunter but I think someone said he's a MID only.

Isn't he still suing EFC?

 

[felsty]

Isn't he still suing EFC?

Hal hath no fury