Club History AFL greats Kevin Sheedy and Terry Daniher named in Krakouer brothers' racism class action

[Duckworth]

Which is what?

I think you're falling a bit behind.

It says they have apologised. Where have they apologised?

They did it as part of the individual apology to Goodes

"We apologise unreservedly for our failures during this period..."Failure to call out racism and not standing up for one of our own let down all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander players, past and present." .... "We are unified on this, and never want to see the mistakes of the past repeated."

 

[boncer34]

The statement says they have already apologised.

And that they're continuing to do so.

 

[yodellinhank]

I think you're falling a bit behind.

They did it as part of the individual apology to Goodes

The V/AFL has a long history of racism. One they seemingly continue not to wish to acknowledge.

 

[yodellinhank]

And that they're continuing to do so.

So where did they apologise, the preceding sentence?

 

[Duckworth]

The V/AFL has a long history of racism. One they seemingly continue not to wish to acknowledge.

I think you're just looking for a reason to be upset. It has clearly been acknowledged. The AFL are also clearly trying to improve on the past mistakes.

What else did you want?

 

[DERO]

Tez is not a racist.

 

[yodellinhank]

I think you're just looking for a reason to be upset. It has clearly been acknowledged. The AFL are also clearly trying to improve on the past mistakes.

What else did you want?

The response to the Hawthorne scandal shows you where the AFL are at.

 

[MiguelM]

"It was the time" isn't a great line though.

Racism is pathetic, full stop.

But it is true. I was a kid when Jimmy & Phil were playing and abuse was as common as the crowd calling "Ball".

 

[DERO]

The response to the Hawthorne scandal shows you where the AFL are at.

How do you think the AFL could have handled that better do you reckon, Hank?

 

[Duckworth]

The response to the Hawthorne scandal shows you where the AFL are at.

The ongoing investigation? Where we are down to 1-2 idiots that don't get it.

I'll ask again. What do you acutally want the AFL to do?

 

[yodellinhank]

How do you think the AFL could have handled that better do you reckon, Hank?

I think much of it could be made much better with sitting down and listening to and working with the aggrieved parties. I think this is what is meant by "truth telling" and "yarning"? It sounds pretty reasonable to me.

The shocking thing about the Hawthorne scandal is its recency, while we're all patting ourselves on the back about the work that has been/is being done to address racism. Absolutely sport has done a lot to improve race relations. But maybe we could do more?

The response to the Hawthorne stuff was a flat denial of any issue by the accused parties, and they have fought to have it all struck out - which it was on an AFL level without participation on their part.

I question if we will see a similar response to Krakouer's allegations. "We do so much, now be quiet and go away"

 

[yodellinhank]

The ongoing investigation? Where we are down to 1-2 idiots that don't get it.

I'll ask again. What do you acutally want the AFL to do?

The AFL concluded their investigation with no adverse findings.

Who are the 1-2 idiots who don't get it, to which you refer?

 

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I think much of it could be made much better with sitting down and listening to and working with the aggrieved parties. I think this is what is meant by "truth telling" and "yarning"? It sounds pretty reasonable to me.

The shocking thing about the Hawthorne scandal is its recency, while we're all patting ourselves on the back about the work that has been/is being done to address racism. Absolutely sport has done a lot to improve race relations. But maybe we could do more?

The response to the Hawthorne stuff was a flat denial of any issue by the accused parties, and they have fought to have it all struck out - which it was on an AFL level without participation on their part.

I question if we will see a similar response to Krakouer's allegations. "We do so much, now be quiet and go away"

It's really important to recognise innocence until proven guilty. Comments until the investigation and due process are concluded are pointless.

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[boncer34]

So where did they apologise, the preceding sentence?

It was pointed out that they did it as part of the Goodes apology if you want to get specific.

 

[boncer34]

But it is true. I was a kid when Jimmy & Phil were playing and abuse was as common as the crowd calling "Ball".

It still doesn't make it ok.

 

[yodellinhank]

It was pointed out that they did it as part of the Goodes apology if you want to get specific.

This contains the full afl statement with regard Adam Goodes

AFL, clubs unreservedly apologise to Goodes for not 'standing with him'

AFL releases statement ahead of upcoming Adam Goodes documentary

www.afl.com.au

There's no apology for historic racism contained within.

 

[boncer34]

This contains the full afl statement with regard Adam Goodes

AFL, clubs unreservedly apologise to Goodes for not 'standing with him'

AFL releases statement ahead of upcoming Adam Goodes documentary

www.afl.com.au

There's no apology for historic racism contained within.

Mate they clearly acknowledge the mistakes of the past and that we need to learn from it and ensure it's never repeated.

Getting hung up on the terminology does nothing but give fuel to the "they'll never be happy" crowd.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Could be a good opportunity to get the old coot off the board

 

[Duckworth]

Could be a good opportunity to get the old coot off the board

He has denied saying anything.

 

[boncer34]

He has denied saying anything.

Which removes his right to the "it was the 80s" defense if he's proven to have said anything

 

[Duckworth]

The AFL concluded their investigation with no adverse findings.

Who are the 1-2 idiots who don't get it, to which you refer?

But it says an agreement has been reached with the First Nations players.

I think you can work out the 1-2. As a whole, the AFL community are united against racism in sport, there will, however, be a couple that are a bit slow to catch on. And also, it seems a couple that want to still be angry about racism, despite clear progress having been made in the last 40 years.

 

[Duckworth]

Which removes his right to the "it was the 80s" defense if he's proven to have said anything

His subsequent work with indigenous players suggests he may have been less likely to have made comments. Although anything is possible.
I wonder what recorded evidence they might be able to find?

 

[yodellinhank]

Mate they clearly acknowledge the mistakes of the past and that we need to learn from it and ensure it's never repeated.

Getting hung up on the terminology does nothing but give fuel to the "they'll never be happy" crowd.

So they didn't apologise, but the vibe was an apology and that's good enough? Reminds me of the argument against a national apology pre-sorry day.

They refer to "the mistakes of the past" to distance themselves from those mistakes. They vow to learn and ensure it isn't repeated, and lo and behold the next time there's an accusation of widespread racial issues they conclude an "investigation" in which the accused don't even participate with no adverse findings.

Get out the rug and lets quickly move on.

 

[MiguelM]

It still doesn't make it ok.

Absolutely, but you can't change the past either.

 

[yodellinhank]

But it says an agreement has been reached with the First Nations players.

I think you can work out the 1-2. As a whole, the AFL community are united against racism in sport, there will, however, be a couple that are a bit slow to catch on. And also, it seems a couple that want to still be angry about racism, despite clear progress having been made in the last 40 years.

I can't work out the 1-2, so if you'd care to enlighten me?

As I've been trying to work it out I came across this

The First Nations men and their families sought legal advice after an investigation by former AFL player Phil Egan, the author of the report, and were later advised to take their claims to the Human Rights Commission.

Human Rights Commission rejects attempt to have Hawthorn racism claims dismissed

Three disgruntled ex-Hawthorn players and their past Indigenous club liaison officer have won their first legal battle over blocking attempts to dismiss the involvement of the football club in the pro...

nit.com.au

Doesn't say who advised them to take their claim to the human rights commission. Could it have been the AFL?