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Who would?SirBloodyIdiot said:
AFL PA Homophobic!
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ChrisFooty
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This is one of the most importaint issues in AFL in 2006
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Where's Vanda and Mantis when you need them?Allefgib said:
also... Tess.. how would you feel about say the national netball players association complaining if a few 'fleshy' shots of the lasses was on a hetrosexual pornographic website?
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Allefgib said:
I'll have a go. I disagree with Tess, because the issues about the use of AFL player's photos are two-fold:
1. The legal issues about copyright (which, in this instance belong to the photographer or publisher) mean that the website may not have permission to use them. You'll find a photo credit/notation if permission has been given.
2. You have to be really, really careful when publishing in a GLBTI environment, that you have a "model release" form signed - and that the person/people in the photos know the images will be used for a GLBI audience. Otherwise you can be sued (in a civil claim) for leading people to believe that the footballers may be linked to the gay community.
For professional sportspeople it is a commercial reality that they can lose income if they are perceived to be gay, and they could sue for loss of earnings.
I'm not saying that homophobia doesn't exist in the AFL - but I don't think it's the basis on which the request was made to remove these pics.
They are afraid of themselves?
SirBloodyIdiot said:
I just googled "naked, shirtless catching fish and having pants pulled down" and no images came up.
Might be an opening for any of you internet entrepeneurs out there?
You are complaining that the player’s representative body doesn’t want a website to show pictures of players in various stages of undress for what are clearly voyeuristic purposes? Would the Aust. Netball team be bothered if they had a similar site run the Australian Heterosexual Co-op?tess said:
What the heck is the issue here? Surely it is the voyeuristic aspect that is the substance if the issue. You making it a homophobia issue is actually the discriminatory aspect of it all.
How do myou know that?tess said:
How many have come out post retirement? How many cricketers, soccer players, swimmers etc? there may have been the rare one or two but I can't think of any. What does that say? To me not much beyond the fact people like their privacy in spite of the pressure you would like to put them under to fly the flag. In fact it is as likely as anything that this pressure is a factor in keeping them quiet.tess said:
Yes we are. You included. That’s the way of the world unfortunately. It’s led by commercialisation of a person’s image, exploitation and political correctness for which anti discrimination bodies of all persuasions wear some of the “blame” – probably most of it. With the good comes the bad. The reality is your fight is your enemy and that is almost always the case.tess said:
Hawkk said:Who cares
Shows like Will and Grace are a disgrace!
Why would you bother to reply like this? Methinks you doth protest too much!
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tess said:
more like ho hum, why should I care.
I'll still never get it Tess.....
I still haven't worked out why gays need their own supporters group? Is their a hidden code that when gay, you must make it known to as many peole as possible?
tess said:
Only a female could have started a thread like this...
Hawkk said:
Saying 'who cares' and 'this is crap' is hardly an opinion.
Mind you , you could get an opinion column at News Ltd with that approach
As far as I can read here the OP feels that it is homophobic for individuals who have had their unauthorised image plastered all over a website for the obvious titilation of the useres of said site.
Of course it is homophobic for footballlers or their representatives to ask that their basic rights be protected
Unbelievable that some people have the temerity to attempt to denegrate individuals by way of lewd vouyerism and then complain when they or their representitives object.
I find this whole trampling of individual rights by vocal fringe and pressure groups totally unseemly.
Of course it is homophobic for footballlers or their representatives to ask that their basic rights be protected
Unbelievable that some people have the temerity to attempt to denegrate individuals by way of lewd vouyerism and then complain when they or their representitives object.
I find this whole trampling of individual rights by vocal fringe and pressure groups totally unseemly.
MarkT said:
That too.
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I suspect these images can be found on many other websites - why aren't these other sites being asked to remove them? It appears the AFLPA fears their players being associated with anthing gay - that's homophobia people.
I expect all the posters taking sides with AFLPA turn away when they see one of the millions of photos on the net of *insert female movie star" bathing topless on the beach? Is that right?
I expect all the posters taking sides with AFLPA turn away when they see one of the millions of photos on the net of *insert female movie star" bathing topless on the beach? Is that right?
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Yes, it must be quite a shock when you pose for pictures half naked and then find out some people are perving at them. Why on earth did they think the pictures were taken and published in the first place? I'd suggest the sensitive ones keep their clothes on. Otherwise keep tight controls over copyright so you can keep use of the images to places you are comfortable with.
Some people in this world - mostly straight girls and gay men, but not just them - get enjoyment from looking at fit young men in various stages of undress. I'm led to believe a similar phenomenon is at work with straight men and photos of young women with little or nothing on. What's so shocking? If you don't want to be ogled, don't pose for the photos. If you do the poses, be prepared to take whatever adoration comes your way.
Unintentional flashes are another thing, and the players should not have to see these published - but unfortunately, and ironically, as they weren't posed there's probably no control there at all.
Tess' starting thread was a little hysterical. But some of what I've heard said since about the dangers of sites like this and the risks to the players (and their children!!!???) is, frankly, just weird.
Some people in this world - mostly straight girls and gay men, but not just them - get enjoyment from looking at fit young men in various stages of undress. I'm led to believe a similar phenomenon is at work with straight men and photos of young women with little or nothing on. What's so shocking? If you don't want to be ogled, don't pose for the photos. If you do the poses, be prepared to take whatever adoration comes your way.
Unintentional flashes are another thing, and the players should not have to see these published - but unfortunately, and ironically, as they weren't posed there's probably no control there at all.
Tess' starting thread was a little hysterical. But some of what I've heard said since about the dangers of sites like this and the risks to the players (and their children!!!???) is, frankly, just weird.
Mero
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The word "gay" is used solely in the context of sexuality.
Therefore, the Gayfooty website is promoting images of these players in a sexual context.
The argument that Inside Footy or any other magazine might carry the same photos does not hold any weight. Those are designed for information and entertainment. Not varying degrees of sexual gratification.
Especially when the website doesn't own the photos, or have permission to use them for such purposes.
Why is it that the very people who consider it sexist for a woman to be shown as a sexual object by men, cannot see why men should be equally offended when they are shown as a sexual object by other men?
Therefore, the Gayfooty website is promoting images of these players in a sexual context.
The argument that Inside Footy or any other magazine might carry the same photos does not hold any weight. Those are designed for information and entertainment. Not varying degrees of sexual gratification.
Especially when the website doesn't own the photos, or have permission to use them for such purposes.
Why is it that the very people who consider it sexist for a woman to be shown as a sexual object by men, cannot see why men should be equally offended when they are shown as a sexual object by other men?
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Mero - some people might go to Inside Footy for sexual gratification, some people might go to Gayfooty for info or entertainment - it's not for you to say - so the argument does hold weight.
This whole thing sounds like there are a bunch of footballers out there that don't want to be perved at by men. Well bad luck fellas, you've got no choice! If people want to perve at these photos they'll find them, either on the site in question, or somewhere else (that's assuming they are not the property of the site, which everyone is assuming).
This whole thing sounds like there are a bunch of footballers out there that don't want to be perved at by men. Well bad luck fellas, you've got no choice! If people want to perve at these photos they'll find them, either on the site in question, or somewhere else (that's assuming they are not the property of the site, which everyone is assuming).
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http://www.scrumdown.net/Aussierules.htm
http://www.gaysports.co.uk/afl_players/index2.php
The Oz site is nothing when compared to these as just an example.
I think the AFL PA are just trying to find some issue to make them relevant as a player organisation. They are a paper tiger the AFL laugh at, the AFL Clubs are very well set up and as we witnessed with the Pies/Morrison $20,000 saga, the AFL PA can huff and puff all they wanna. They are never going to blow any house down.
http://www.gaysports.co.uk/afl_players/index2.php
The Oz site is nothing when compared to these as just an example.
I think the AFL PA are just trying to find some issue to make them relevant as a player organisation. They are a paper tiger the AFL laugh at, the AFL Clubs are very well set up and as we witnessed with the Pies/Morrison $20,000 saga, the AFL PA can huff and puff all they wanna. They are never going to blow any house down.
