No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[DonsRule]

The issue with the Switkowski report is that all the key terms like "pharmacologically experimental", "not adequately controlled", "abnormal period" and "normal controls" were completely undefined. The phrases are totally meaningless. How can something be deemed "not adequately controlled" if there is no level to which "adequate control" is defined?

Pretty much what I've said for a while. On one standard someone could say Paitent complained of a headache. Gave them a 250mg dose of paracetamol. 20 minutes later headache remained. Uped to 500mg, 20 minutes headache still remained. Upto to 750mg headache disappeared. I could argue (a little simplified) that that is a pharmacological experimental since you kept rampnig up the dose until the 'solution' was achieved.

Yet at home, that would be little more than 1 tablet, if it remained try another Try that with a drug you don't understand as well (not anything sinister just less common, more in use in sports etc).

Have everyone defined under the same standard. I wonder if there are other clubs he could describe the same way. The Hawks blood spinning etc.

 

[carnthedons]

I can't write a report without defining what "kg" means, so I have no idea how this report can possibly be considered reputable.

 

[DonsRule]

Chip Le Grand ‏@Melbchief 3m
Former Essendon spinner Liz Lukin has 10 days to produce all documents relating to her "rogue operatators'' strategy in drugs scandal.

 

[DonsRule]

Spin doctor planned to use dumped Essendon fitness chief Dean Robinson as a scapegoat, court told

• WAYNE FLOWER
• HERALD SUN

Dean Robinson is suing the Bombers for $2 million.

Elizabeth Lukin of Essential Media Communications

A FORMER strength coach with the Bombers has alleged a spin doctor came up with the idea to blame “rogue operators’’ for the supplements scandal and used dumped fitness chief Dean Robinson as a “scapegoat’’, the Supreme Court has heard.

Suki Hobson, who quit the Bombers late last year, allegedly told Robinson she attended a meeting in March last year at AFL House with club chiefs in which Essential Media Communications director Elizabeth Lukin spoke about a “rogue operator strategy’’.

The meeting was allegedly chaired by former Bomber boss David Evans and included ex-CEO Ian Robson.

In an application with the court to obtain documents from the PR company, Robinson’s barrister Gideon Boas told the court Ms Lukin talked about “going with rogue operators’’ as a communication strategy.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...egoat-court-told/story-fni0fee2-1227043770111

 

[HirdyLannister]

Simplify that for me, good or bad?

 

[byronstjames]

It's heating up!!

 

[DonsRule]

Essendon considered ‘rogue’ approach, court told

• CHIP LE GRAND
• THE AUSTRALIAN
• SEPTEMBER 01, 2014 12:31PM

The Victorian Supreme Court has been told of a proposed strategy to level blame for the club’s 2012 supplements program at former high performance manager Dean Robinson Source: News Limited

ESSENDON discussed employing a “rogue operators’’ strategy to explain its ill-fated 2012 season supplements regime which resulted in the club being dumped from last year’s finals series and doping accusations against 34 players.

The Victorian Supreme Court today heard of a meeting at Essendon in March last year between club chairman David Evans, chief executive Ian Robson, public relations consultant Liz Lukin and members of the club’s football department where it was discussed how best to manage the developing scandal.

Suki Hobson, then employed as a strength coach at Essendon, has recalled an exchange at the meeting in which Ms Lukin proposed a “rogue operators’’ strategy, in which blame for the scandal would be pinned on high performance coach Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank.

In a sworn deposition tendered as evidence in Mr Robinson’s unfair dismissal claim against Essendon, Ms Hobson said she challenged Ms Lukin about the strategy.

Ms Hobson: “So we aren’t concerned with what actually happened?’’

Ms Lukin: “It won’t help us moving forward.’’

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...roach-court-told/story-fnca0u4y-1227043750824

 

[DonsRule]

Simplify that for me, good or bad?

Hard to say, other than there was a strategy before it all began.

 

[byronstjames]

Simplify that for me, good or bad?

Lukin has been a HUGE unknown in this entire ordeal. Most people suspected that she was there at the behest of Vlad. Hopefully, with her being subpoenaed, we can see exactly to what extent she was there to suit the AFL narrative.

 

[Walesy]

Simplify that for me, good or bad?

If you are pro- everything coming out regardless, warts and all: Then good.

 

[be a hero kid]

Simplify that for me, good or bad?

Evidence helps the weapons case against essendon

 

[rumply]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...roach-court-told/story-fnca0u4y-1227043750824

Mr Robinson’s case is that he was singled out by Essendon as the only club official denied the opportunity to explain his role in the supplements scandal. He was not interviewed by businessman David Switkowski as part of the club’s internal review.

Lol, who was??

 

[EnolaGay]

Chip Le Grand ‏@Melbchief 3m
Former Essendon spinner Liz Lukin has 10 days to produce all documents relating to her "rogue operatators'' strategy in drugs scandal.

I think Chip has developed a stutter in his excitement.

 

[Pweter]

Evidence helps the weapons case against essendon

Depends on the circumstances. If it is proven that we were bullied (sound familiar) into being Vlad's puppets it would more go back to the AFL you'd think. If we were willing participants it's a different story.

 

[DonsRule]

Mr Robinson’s case is that he was singled out by Essendon as the only club official denied the opportunity to explain his role in the supplements scandal. He was not interviewed by businessman David Switkowski as part of the club’s internal review.

Lol, who was??

Rogue operator.

 

[EnolaGay]

@Melbchief: Story behind Liz Lukin court order in Robinson v Essendon http://t.co/V0w7N0mbuR

 

[Bennett.]

Rogue operator.

Say that again?

 

[rumply]

Got no problem with this sort of stuff getting aired, campaigners like this Lukin (who most likely was a puppet of bigger players) are a major part of why this is the mess it is, so let's get it all done with now so we can move the * on.

 

[60sbomber]

Not too sure about the accuracy of that article.

It starts off with a meeting in March 2013 .........
"Suki Hobson, who quit the Bombers late last year, allegedly told Robinson she attended a meeting in March last year at AFL House with club chiefs in which Essential Media Communications director Elizabeth Lukin spoke about a “rogue operator strategy"............"

then goes on to say
"...The alleged meeting took place just before the Bombers went public with the supplements scandal, which saw Robinson subsequently suspended."

?? Essendon went public in early Feb 2013.

Also,
"...Mr Boas claimed Robinson had been the only person employed by the club who was refused an opportunity by the Bombers to explain himself and had therefore been denied natural justice."
The only person employed by the club who was refused an opportunity to explain himself??
The grapevine says that Ziggy only interviewed very few people.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Simplify that for me

Lukin is a ******* snake.

 

[scottmclaren]

David Switkowski

so good.. are we allowed to refer to it as the Evans/Switkowski report now?

So in the last few days we have testimony that Evan's wanted to pursue a "rogue operators" outcome from as Early as March, and that he was also interested in ASADA's interim report for staff disciplinary action from as early as April.

When did he agree to hand over our points for 2013?

 

[Zach Package]

Ms Hobson: “So we aren’t concerned with what actually happened?’’

Ms Lukin: “It won’t help us moving forward.’’

Lukin is a ******* snake.

^

 

[Mercurial89]

So if the "rogue operators" was more spin, what exactly went on that year.... Surely something was done wrong for this whole debacle to have occured. The AFL wouldnt crucify a team due to nothing, that doesnt make any sense.

The comment by Vlad about "2-3 things can never be made public" makes me think there must be some big evidence of drug taking sitting there, surely, you dont do this for 2 years without there being some form of wrongdoing, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

[cymarak]

PR 101:

1. Cover it up.
2. If you can't cover it up, deflect the blame elsewhere.
3. If you can't cover it up, and if you can't deflect the blame elsewhere, control the narrative.
4. If you can't cover it up, can't deflect the blame elsewhere and can't control the narrative, make out it's not a big deal (or it's 'just noise').

 

[CBombers17]

Lukin is a ******* snake.

Is this another Evans special?