Opinion Best 22 - 2015

[Old navy]

Ok here is my team for this week

FB: Buckley Jamieson White
HB: Simpson Henderson Docherty
C: Yarran Gibbs Menzel
HF: Bell Rowe Everitt
FF: Tutt Jones Murphy
R: Casboult Cripps Judd

I/C Whiley Bryne Carazzo Sub Boekhorst

Not considered due to injury Walker Kruezer Jaksch Thomas
Forward line very week but wanted Hendo back at CHB

Henderson must play forward this week. I'm already having nightmares of J McGovan. He must have a tall to play tight on.
Henderson is the only forward he would not run off.

Jammo will get Kennedy Rowe will go to Lycett IMO.

 

[Old navy]

FB. D.Buckley M.Jamison S.White

HB. C.Yarran S.Rowe. S.Docherty

C. A.Everitt B.Gibbs K.Simpson

HF. M.Murphy L.Henderson T.Menzel

FF P.Cripps. L.Jones. L.Casboult

R. C.Wood C.Judd. A.Carrazzo

Inter. E.Curnow B.Boekhorst T.Bell

Sub Z.Touhy

 

[Blue Flame]

Some thoughts.
Henderson might be a serviceable forward, but he is an excellent defender and we don't have enough of those. He was the equal of Harry Taylor, and you don't waste him up forward.
Conversely, Walker is our best leading forward. Play him as such. He was basically our FF that year, is quick and IT WORKED.
Midfield is weak. We are working on it, but this is a priority.
A powerful and quick CHF is the icing on the cake. We simply don't have good big forwards. Let Watson play as the CHF come hell or high water. He'll learn or we look at better options and the end of the year. Nothing is achieved otherwise. Jones in VFL until he chases like a madman and gets fitness up, perhaps play him in the middle in the seconds so he learns. If Kreuzer is genuinely done, chase a ruck from GC at the end of the year. Carrots the only real tagger. White only swingman except for short stints up forward from Hendo.

B: Jacksh Jamison Buckley
HB: Yarran Henderson Docherty
C: Thomas Cripps Simpson
R: Kreuzer Gibbs Judd
HF: Murphy Watson Everitt
F: Casboult Walker Menzel
I: White, Carrazzo, Whiley, Tutt

 

[slashin_velvet]

Every Carlton player in everyone's best 22 is absolutely useless and not best 22 (except Docherty). They should all be dropped.

Hope this works like it did for Doc

 

[thylacine60]

Anyone get to the NBs praccy match at the G today? 10.30am included me out. Wanna hear DylBucks smashed it regardless of the opposition.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Anyone get to the NBs praccy match at the G today? 10.30am included me out. Wanna hear DylBucks smashed it regardless of the opposition.

Not there but according to twitter DylBucks and Viojo are providing all the highlights

 

[pepalenko]

Anyone get to the NBs praccy match at the G today? 10.30am included me out. Wanna hear DylBucks smashed it regardless of the opposition.

'I'm reading Bucks, Rainbow and Walker are having good games, but a bit concerning that they are having trouble beating an under 18 side. Maybe i shouldnt be concerned but they are 17 yo albeit very talented.

 

[thylacine60]

Cheers MEBalenko.

 

[pepalenko]

Cheers MEBalenko.

Better than Pleb_

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Every Carlton player in everyone's best 22 is absolutely useless and not best 22 (except Docherty). They should all be dropped.

Hope this works like it did for Doc

Now I'm picturing Doc reading bigfooty during the preseason like

 

[LordLucifer]

Its an interesting exercise listing a "Best 22" when you are you comparing the players against the others in the club. Really, who gives a toss that we have 22 'best' players at the club, every club has them too.

I'm way more interested in how many of our guys would be considered worthy of being in the 22 'best' players in the competition ??

 

[bluekidjoe]

Can we rename this thread "22 who actually GAF"?

Doubt we'd find 22 on the list atm

 

[setantypants]

My RAGE QUIT team 11/04

Back: Yarran Henderson Sheehan
HB: Docherty Jamo Gibbs
Cen: Simpson Judd Daisy
HF: Menzel Casboult Walker
FF: Buckley Watson Jaksch
R: Kreuz Cripps Whiley

INT: Byrne Everitt Murphy SUB: Boekhorst

E: Armfield Graham Tutt

Apologies to Curnow, Rowe, White, Touhy and Carrots and Ellard. Plod on. Jamo lucky to be in there.

 

[bluekidjoe]

It's time for this to happen...

B: Walker, Jamison, Yarran
HB: Docherty, Henderson, Viojo-Rainbow
C: Everitt, Cripps, Simpson
HF: Smith, Casboult, Bell
F: Menzel, Rowe, Murphy
R: Wood, Judd, Gibbs

Buckley, Boekhorst, Whiley SUB: Byrne

In: Walker, Viojo-Rainbow, Cripps, Buckley, Whiley, Boekhorst, Byrne
Out: Tutt, Ellard, Tuohy, Curnow, Carrazzo, White, Jones

 

[Azul]

B: Sheehan Jaksch Buckley
HB: Walker Fields Dick
C: Armfield Cripps Boekhorst
HF: Viojo-Rainbow Watson Byrne
FF: Thomas Foster Kreuzer
R: Warnock Whiley Graham
int (from) Holman Johnson Walsh Gowers Giles Russell

 

[TeeJay Blue]

B: Sheehan Jaksch Buckley
HB: Walker Fields Dick
C: Armfield Cripps Boekhorst
HF: Viojo-Rainbow Watson Byrne
FF: Thomas Foster Kreuzer
R: Warnock Whiley Graham
int (from) Holman Johnson Walsh Gowers Giles Russell

Now THAT is what I call a premiership side.

 

[Alice]

Say for example Carlton were able to just go out and take the players it needed to win a premiership. I've been thinking about this and how many players would miss out and how our current players roles would change. It really got me thinking, who's getting a game that would get a game in a premiership side.

Where Carlton need to be at to challenge for the Premiership.

B: Simpson Jamison Jaksch
HB: Yarran Henderson Gibbs
C: Thomas Judd Wingman
HF: Walker CHF Murphy
F: Menzel FF FR
OB: Kreuzer, Rover, Ruck Rover
IC: Docherty Everitt (Curnow or Carrazzo)
SUB: ???

1. Jaksch, Menzel, Everitt and the tagger are the fringe players. There is only one tagger. Jaksch lucky to be there but I believe he'll make it and could play the third tall role well.
2. Gibbs plays as a half back who rotates through the midfield Like Luke Hodge.
3. Simpson is a defender who can have stints up the ground on the wing.
4. Murphy plays 50/50 forward midfield similar to Bartel.
5. We need two high quality centermen, Murphy and Gibbs are good but they won't lift you to a flag, they don't play relentless powerful footy and they don't win enough of the ball, in an ideal situation they play a peripheral role and pinch hit through the center, avoiding a hard tag when they do.
6. Henderson is filling the hole in the forward line but he's not a forward, just hasn't got the hands and strength. He's a pretty high quality defender though. No one on our list is a genuine tall forward, Jones and Casboult have some of the qualities but their quality isn't very high.
7. Casboult isn't a bad player but his kicking is terrible, as an elite premiership forward ruck he's not there. Not saying you couldn't win a flag with him in, he's one of those battler types who can get a premiership through playing a role well enough.
8. We might have a few young players coming through who may be good enough like Cripps but it's hard to tell at this stage.

You'd love to go out and take Tom Rockliff, Gary Ablett, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Stephen Hill and David Hale. They are the best of the best at what we need, but it's not going to happen due to a little thing called the salary cap but these are the type of players and the amount of players we need to win the premiership. Honestly I don't think we have enough time to get that many players of top level elite quality into the team before guys like Judd, Simpson, Jamison, Walker and possibly Kreuzer retire it's not just the players we need but the ones we need to replace that makes it hard. Winning the premiership is tough, this is why you need to absolutely smash it in the draft over a short period of time to get there. The only way I can see us being able to do it is if we draft really well and offer up for trade anyone over 23 who is not on this list and possibly make the most of the low position on the ladder we'll be in.

You can sort of see where our struggles are coming from. In elite terms anyone playing in the side that I haven't mentioned are role fillers or stop gap players. Anyone playing in other positions are filling a hole for needs base. Henderson is filling a hole at CHF, we're missing him at CHB and we're getting the least out of him because.

Simpson and Gibbs currently play midfield, they play defence brilliantly, they get a heap of the ball doing so and are extremely damaging and shut down opposition well. As good as Gibbs was for us, he does not compare to the top 30 good ball winning midfielders in the AFL. This just goes to show just how weak we are in the middle, same said for Murphy. Gibbs, Yarran, Simpson, Docherty, there's a backline that would destroy teams coming out and very capable of relieving opposing mids. IMO this is a perfect backline. At least we potentially have one area of the ground sown up.

Walker, we miss him, he's been filling a hole in defence and doing it really well but ideally you'd love him playing half forward and wing in the same role Bell played the other night. As for tall forwards, we haven't got a genuine one on our list, Casboult is the closest thing to one but he can't kick and is not consistent.

Kreuzer is a top quality ruckman but he's always injured, we've had some genuine hole fillers playing for us the last two seasons.

You can see from our recruiting that we are trying to find these players but the quality just isn't there. I think at a minimum if we found two onballers who regularly gathered 25-30+ possessions and weren't slow or unskilled and a really good big forward we'd push pretty hard for the top 8.

I think everyone bagging the coach and many of the players need to take a deep breath and remember we haven't got much to work with and because of that players are playing a game/role/position they they shouldn't be. You can't get pissed off at Murphy and Gibbs because they aren't dominant superstars, they just aren't, not when they should be playing 50% midfield and 50% forward or back instead playing all on the ball. Only Judd is a genuine bonafide onball star and he's getting on. You can't get pissed off at Henderson who is a CHB for not getting a kick in the forward line. How can you blame the coach with so many holes in the side being filled by players who aren't up to it?

I think we just need to be patient, not expect us to be world beaters and work at getting the players we need.

I think you're pretty close to the mark. Being short a wingman - effectively a fast, ball-carrying onballer -, RR, Rover and FP (who needs to be able to rotate thru midfield), it just goes to show how far away we are. MM has said others aren't ready - and you'd back his call on that - so, yes we have a lot of work to do, Looking at Syd on the weekend, they had Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack, Parker, McVeigh, Bird and get to introduce Heeney in with that lot. On top of this they've got a genuine ruck atm - something we certainly lack. All of this without addressing D50 and F50 problems!

 

[gbatman]

Yep our forward line isn't great but it's not nearly as bad as we make it look. Our midfield is bottom 4, it could be lower bottom 4 and hence our team is close to that mark. Our backline is being made to look a lot more foolish than it actually is, a lot of that footy we saw round two, Particularly what was going to Kennedy was undefendable.

Our ruckmen are neither hitout machines (sometimes Warnock is) or around the ground specialists. They are inbetweeners but not the big problem. Murphy proved that he's quite proficient as a small forward and this should be his role as he switches through the midfield. I think as a fresh started in a forward line that sees plenty of the footy, Murphy would kick quite a few goals. Gibbs as we have seen in previous seasons is a great wing/half back who can set us up really well. He's been playing on the ball which he is alright at. He'd be ideal as a change player. Judd I would like to see play more forward, even half forward but we desperately need him in the center, he's really our only elite genuine centerman. Just looking at that team, it's really another center player short unless we use Docherty there with success.

 

[gbatman]

So how have people's thoughts on best 22 changed so far? I know Mine has changed a bit.

B: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Henderson Yarran
C: Byrne Judd Gibbs
HF: Walker Jones Menzel
F: Murphy Watson Casboult
OB: Kreuzer Cripps Carrazzo
IC: Simpson Thomas Tuohy
SUB: Everitt
EM: Curnow Bell Graham

Depth: Sheehan, Wood, DVR, Rowe, Tutt, Whiley, Dick, White, Armfield, Ellard.

If I'm right, goes to show you we're pretty short at the moment. 9 of those players didn't play against Collingwood the other night so for those getting their knickers in a knot, think a little bit, Collingwood are very good and probably only missing Reid. We were pretty much missing at least one player on every line. We're still competitive and able to beat lower sides like the saints with plenty out, we were competitive against Collingwood but we couldn't score. I think the score isn't overly justified, we played ok.

What are we doing different? Well Henderson is playing forward, he's consistent and very damaging and of high quality back. He kicks bags against weak sides and does nothing against good ones forward. Buckley just come in and is going well. Jaksch in and out and a work in progress. Yarran missed 3 weeks for Belting Chapman. Byrne played one game as the sub, proved what I already thought and that is that he's top class. Gibbs not playing as our go to man in the middle this year and therefore struggling to impact games. Walker missed a fair bit and playing back. Watson yet to play but he has to be an option. Casboult struggling to get a kick and really struggling to kick goals. Kreuzer yet to play a game. Cripps is a rising youngster. Carrazzo injured again. Thomas is really yet to play a game. Everitt playing based more on our needs rather than where he's most damaging. Bell doing an adamant job at half forward, How would Touhy go in the same role, I'd love to know with his better skills and ability to kick a long goal. Our structure has been all over the place

You put yourselves in the position of a coach, anyone who has ever coaches and this would drive you mad.

 

[Cringle]

So how have people's thoughts on best 22 changed so far? I know Mine has changed a bit.

B: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Henderson Yarran
C: Byrne Judd Gibbs
HF: Walker Jones Menzel
F: Murphy Watson Casboult
OB: Kreuzer Cripps Carrazzo
IC: Simpson Thomas Tuohy
SUB: Everitt
EM: Curnow Bell Graham

Depth: Sheehan, Wood, DVR, Rowe, Tutt, Whiley, Dick, White, Armfield, Ellard.

If I'm right, goes to show you we're pretty short at the moment. 9 of those players didn't play against Collingwood the other night so for those getting their knickers in a knot, think a little bit, Collingwood are very good and probably only missing Reid. We were pretty much missing at least one player on every line. We're still competitive and able to beat lower sides like the saints with plenty out, we were competitive against Collingwood but we couldn't score. I think the score isn't overly justified, we played ok.

What are we doing different? Well Henderson is playing forward, he's consistent and very damaging and of high quality back. He kicks bags against weak sides and does nothing against good ones forward. Buckley just come in and is going well. Jaksch in and out and a work in progress. Yarran missed 3 weeks for Belting Chapman. Byrne played one game as the sub, proved what I already thought and that is that he's top class. Gibbs not playing as our go to man in the middle this year and therefore struggling to impact games. Walker missed a fair bit and playing back. Watson yet to play but he has to be an option. Casboult struggling to get a kick and really struggling to kick goals. Kreuzer yet to play a game. Cripps is a rising youngster. Carrazzo injured again. Thomas is really yet to play a game. Everitt playing based more on our needs rather than where he's most damaging. Bell doing an adamant job at half forward, How would Touhy go in the same role, I'd love to know with his better skills and ability to kick a long goal. Our structure has been all over the place

You put yourselves in the position of a coach, anyone who has ever coaches and this would drive you mad.

Nice write up batman.

I definitely agree with Henderson back. If he's to become a main part of our rebuild he needs to play where he's best. He's arguably AA quality at CHB and should play there with stints forward.

 

[Cringle]

I really want Sheehan and Bryne to cement a spot in the best 22.

Tuohy BP, Sheehan HB and Bryne on the wing. Would be kool.

 

[GoBlues!]

So how have people's thoughts on best 22 changed so far? I know Mine has changed a bit.

B: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Henderson Yarran
C: Byrne Judd Gibbs
HF: Walker Jones Menzel
F: Murphy Watson Casboult
OB: Kreuzer Cripps Carrazzo
IC: Simpson Thomas Tuohy
SUB: Everitt
EM: Curnow Bell Graham

Depth: Sheehan, Wood, DVR, Rowe, Tutt, Whiley, Dick, White, Armfield, Ellard..

I would have thought Bell should be in as a HF.

 

[Cringle]

I would have thought Bell should be in as a HF.

Yeah get rid of Jones

 

[gbatman]

I would have thought Bell should be in as a HF.

Bell has been decent enough there that's for sure but I have gone with class instead, just a lack of spots, perhaps you could take a tall out of that line up.

 

[Blue Flame]

Nice write up batman.

I definitely agree with Henderson back. If he's to become a main part of our rebuild he needs to play where he's best. He's arguably AA quality at CHB and should play there with stints forward.

Yup, the ball's always down there anyway