Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2

[Freomaniac]

Ross Lyon?

Please see the previous 360 or so pages of this thread.

Who is more deluded or arrogant?

The hawks fans on this thread or the Russian government under Vladimir Putin?

You decide ....

 

[TheFourPillars]

Another delusional Vladmir Putin type post LoL.

Bring Michael tuck out of retirement lol

Your going too far back mate we have hodgey and mitchell before we add to tucky's game tally

 

[peetoo]

Another delusional Vladmir Putin type post LoL.

Bring Michael tuck out of retirement lol

Will freo beat hawthorns debut drought of about 36 years?

 

[Freomaniac]

20 years of hitting the elite end of the draft ..... the Carlton model pfftt!

How's the hawks going Mr Putin? LoL

 

[Freomaniac]

three months older than our 2015 grand final team 27y10m. Started 2015 with 26y8m. Aged 1y2m in six months!

extrapolat to our en of 2020 team being 29y3m. I suspect won’t happen

Where are those old farts now in 2023? LoL

 

[TheFourPillars]

How's the hawks going Mr Putin? LoL

We r last we wont be there for long thats the thing that will s**t u

 

[Xtreme]

Where are the hawks on the ladder?

4 years ago at the end of 2018, hawks made top 4 but went out in straight sets.

Clarkson squeezed every drop of blood and sweat and tears out of that ageing Hawks squad

Hawks are in the bottom 4? Why?

Someone's been drinking the same drinks as Ric Flair

woo

Hawthorn are rebuilding nicely

 

[Freomaniac]

Where’s that fool Tig017? He talked s**t the entire pre-season. Looks like he disappeared.

tiga2017 made the right call lol

 

[Freomaniac]

Someone's been drinking the same drinks as Ric Flair

woo

Hawthorn are rebuilding nicely

Bulls**t. LoL

Once gil McLaughlin is replaced by Vince Russo, we are all doomed LoL

 

[Freomaniac]

Worrying signs for hawthorn

You thought and posted wisely

 

[Freomaniac]

All the usual suspects are MIA. I wonder why...

You tell me....

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bumping 3 year old posts, when every man and their dog knows that Clarkson’s top ups didn’t work and he got moved on. Not only that the hawks went back to the draft in 2019 and are now rebuilding with a new coach.

This is one of the strangest bumpathons I’ve seen.

 

[Freomaniac]

Port must be so pleased they had an Allan Bond equivalent in Hawthorn

Never thought Allan Bond would ever be mentioned

 

[Freomaniac]

Nail on the head. Still think he is getting the best out of most of the current players. The best just ain’t as good as it used to be.

Without Franklin, Hodge, Roughy, Mitchell, Gibson, Lewis (need I go on?) types on their list it was never going to be the same.

Clarko can still coach but this list management strategy is fast catching up to him.

And it eventually did.

 

[footyfan1978]

Another delusional Vladmir Putin type post LoL.

Bring Michael tuck out of retirement lol

How many beers into the day, you at to be here at this time of the weekend?
How many more drinks to come?

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Someone’s more drunk than me tonight and that’s crazy

 

[_Mike_]

Hawthorn, the most successful AFL club over the last 60 years. Carry on.

 

[The Kipster]

You must be really hard up for a good time to be bumping this thread thats discussing s**t that happened over 5 years ago.

and the cupboard is still bare for these purple pretenders.

 

[Freomaniac]

This entire thread seems to be based around whether Hawthorn can win the flag with it's current strategy - with the answer needing a premiership to prove whether the strategy was ok or not.

Even though things have to go right and you could be the best team in the competition and still not win the premiership in any given year as you need things to go right.

There's always critical moments in a season. Would Geelong have won the 2011 Grand Final if J Pod doesn't get injured? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Does Geelong win the 2009 Grand Final if it doesn't rain? Probably not, but then nothing ever seems to go right for the Saints

The thread also ignores the possibility that with all the equalisation measures in place that after 2016 it's possible there's nothing Hawthorn could have done to win a premiership in 2017-2019.

And the thread also ignores that in 2018 by finishing in the top 4 we may have been able to win the flag if everything had gone right in September - were the Tigers actually sick before the Prelim? What if we'd actually beaten the Tigers in the Qualifying Final - maybe they are sick/injured for the Qualifying Final - who cares how it happens. Get a week off and if we'd had a fully fit and available list then beating Collingwood and West Coast would have been possible (Our record against those sides in the last 5 years is pretty good after all). Not to say it's likely we were going to win it - list management can only create possibilities.

How's the strategy working out now?

 

[Freomaniac]

Bud was the best player in the game. An all timer now. Irreplaceable, but the fact we won the next 2 flags masked that loss somewhat. Regardless pick 19 for him was a reaming of the highest order.

We won't move Gunston. We need his class.
We'll be aggressive in other ways. Always are.

You won't move Gunston, we need his class you said...... Hawks trade him at the end of 2022 lol

 

[Freomaniac]

Are the Hawks fans still in denial?

Clarko has been the coach of the decade, but I don't know what he's doing toping up like this. Putting off the rebuild and development is just going to make it take longer ... after you start too late. Things gonna get ugly. This reminds me of Essendon 15 years ago.

Your thoughts on the hawks now? LoL

 

[MightyHawks]

How's the strategy working out now?

I think we are on track for more of what we do best.

Looks like Fremantle are on track for what you do best too.

Everyones a winner.

 

[Freomaniac]

Clarko on the Cats

“no disrespect to the Cats but...

they’re

not

that

good“

Listen to Clarko, the respected elder statesman of the game. Gil listens to him. We all do

Cats won the flag in 2022, where did the hawks finish in 2022? LoL

 

[Freomaniac]

Not wanting to get sucked into a two part thread. But, from my understanding the title is misleading?

scully - pick 1
Patton - pick 1
JOM - pick 1 of mini draft
Wingard - pick 6
Scrimshaw - pick 7
McEvoy - pick 9
Frawley - pick 12
Mitchell - F/S pick 21 would have gone a lot lot higher in his draft year If not for f/s rules.

That’s 8 of their 22 that come from the top end of the draft.

they just traded in rather than picked as kids.

And how are all those blokes going? Did Scully, Patton and Wingard do well in their stints as hawks players? You can add Tyrone Vickery was a top 10 pick too

Your right, hawks had access to the elite end of the draft.

 

[Freomaniac]

History says older teams tend to win flags. Wasn't there some stat trotted out during Thursday nights game about the number of 29 year olds we fielded last year matching the record previously set by Geelong in 2011. What happened that year? Wasn't 2015 one of the oldest if not oldest flag winning teams ever? Players are becoming more and more like fine wine. Or given this thread, perhaps fine whine is more appropriate.

What about now?