No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[JayDon]

The following is the thing we have looked for. Alan Jones (SIGNIFICANT) speaks clearly for all of us. YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS. He sways opinion. Bring in Matt Hardie. Very well done. No spin doctoring in this summation. BANG.

http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/59566#.U_WmuvmSznh

Liberals in. I'm a Labour voter.

 

[scottmclaren]

campaigners

 

[gillies]

Mark Allen going full ****** on SEN over this. Adamant that players should be ademitting guilt without even seeing the evidence[/Q. U.
Am i the only one who has no idea who mark allen is?

 

[JayDon]

Yes. Former golfer of some note. Not much though. He's playing devil's advocate to his own expense!!!

 

[JayDon]

Rinesy. The Alan Jones piece?

 

[Dan Cooper]

I felt Schwarter was a bit pro us tonight. Tides changing slowly?

He was extremely "pro principal" tonight - which made him very pro us as well.

Funny how when someone puts themselves in our place, even hypothetically like Ox did, the light suddenly comes on for them.

Mark Allen just grates with me. In particular with his dumb opinion of what he thinks we should do going forward. I'd like to see him replaced. He doesn't offer much on a good day.

 

[DonsRule]

Heppell answered the ASADA question tonight well. Typical Dys style.

 

[Run and carry]

It is the suggestion that the possible suspensions could be backdated to November last year that throws me. You can't backdate a suspension because they played through the suspension. So they weren't suspended. It is the suspension of the opportunity to play in competition rather than time lapsed which is both the issue and the punishment.

The only other situation I can think of where someone is suspended retrospectively is on parole but in that case they have been charged from the outset.

 

[pepsi]

ASADA...yes you...if we did anything wrong...Tell us and hit us with the details!!! Then Mr.Dank can BLOW you out of the water! What a joke!

Asada have been questionable in their investigation, but relying on Stephen dank to save us is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I trust dank the least out of every person involved in this whole thing.

 

[Bennett.]

Must have been that guy I saw sweating profusely whilst hugging his racquet.

Honestly though, who takes a pinga match day or the night before?

who takes coke on matchday?

 

[DapperDon]

who takes coke on matchday?

 

[DonsRule]

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s4071959.htm

A source close to the case has told PM the evidence of drug taking is alarmingly poor. Given that, the deal on offer involving a one year backdated ban serves a number of purposes.

Thanks to ABRL for the pick up.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

Seriously, can these guys just * off. They must think we're complete morons.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

for those that don't want to click:

ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.

If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.

ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is also willing to apply the 75 per cent discount which applies to all athletes who concede guilt and whose evidence leads to a doping infraction being issued against another person. Essendon players co-operated with ASADA from the first days of the investigation, when the anti-doping body joined the AFL in order to take advantage of its coercive powers. However, the 75 per cent discount applies to the full sentence, meaning it is an 18-month concession on two years, not one year. That is, six months.

NRL players were effectively offered a three-month ban, with their year-long sanction backdated to November, 2013. Ironically, the AFL and its supporters in Canberra precipitated this. The ASADA Act allows for administrative delays in bringing a case to a conclusion to mitigate a sentence. The joint AFL/ASADA investigation, promoted by senior public servants in the government of Julia Gillard, shifted ASADA's already stretched resources away from Sydney to Melbourne, meaning the Cronulla investigation was effectively placed on hold.

The AFL, by bullying ASADA into producing evidence for an interim report to punish the club, coach James Hird and other Essendon staff, drew resources away from the NRL. The co-operation of WADA is mandatory for all discounted bans and McDevitt may have a difficult task convincing the Montreal-based world body to accept the proposed Essendon ban of six months

A level of co-operation with a national anti-doping body is necessary to sustain discounted sanctions. Essendon, by taking ASADA to the Federal Court, could be perceived to being unco-operative, while Cronulla's board ruled out legal action, irrespective of ASADA penalties. While Essendon players were not a party to the action taken by their club and Hird, they were represented by a leading Melbourne barrister, David Grace QC.

Furthermore, club president Paul Little, has persistently claimed Essendon players are not guilty of taking performance-enhancing substances and has aggravated ASADA by saying publicly it will not communicate with him. It is understood ASADA's initial reticence to meet Little was only prior to the issue of show cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players, where he deemed it would be a conflict of interest.

All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place. It is presumed in the case of Essendon it is the use of the banned thymosin drug.

ASADA has also requested McLachlan issue a life ban against sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of the supplements program at Essendon and Cronulla, although the anti-doping body accepts this is the only common link between the two football clubs.

The Essendon campaign extended over a full year, with multiple injections where, despite the magisterial authority of Hird, players could have been expected to ask after say the fifth needle what were the substances and why was the operation conducted off site and requiring signed waivers.

By contrast, the Cronulla drugs regime was brief and ad hoc, administered after the captain's run final training session, from a corporate box at the club's home ground, with supplements stored amateurishly in an esky. The Cronulla club doctor quickly banned all injections and the program quickly reverted to use of creams and lozenges.

It is anticipated a three-month ban of past and present Cronulla players, where only five (one who has already announced his retirement) remain at the club, will be more palatable to NRL clubs than if the same punishment was applied to Essendon, where more than 20 players remain. Rival AFL clubs will contend the damage done to the AFL brand is greater in Melbourne where the code takes on the status of a civic religion. Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals, have major issues to confront in terms of the date a six-month ban begins.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...month-bans-20140821-106qv2.html#ixzz3B1t3QgR4

 

[The Dustbin]

Seriously, can these guys just **** off. They must think we're complete morons.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html

ASADA are desperate for EFC to cave in, to save their face. Desperate times (by ASADA), but thankfully we have Gil on the frontline.

 

[pepsi]

I know it is asada trying to bluff us out, but I still get a bit of a sick feeling reading it. Just the fact that asada are a government organisation and the pressure on them could still be coming from higher powers in the land.

But this line in the article: "for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place."

But to be handed penalties by the AFL tribunal, doesn't the evidence have to be just below that of beyond reasonable doubt? They never state that in their shitty articles.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Masters is a campaigner of the highest order. Not far behind those clowns at Assada

 

[tandino]

No deal!

 

[The Dustbin]

 

[The Dustbin]

Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals

I enjoyed that the most in Roy's article i.e. Rugby League talk from the 70's & 80's.

 

[rines]

for those that don't want to click:

ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.

If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.

ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is also willing to apply the 75 per cent discount which applies to all athletes who concede guilt and whose evidence leads to a doping infraction being issued against another person. Essendon players co-operated with ASADA from the first days of the investigation, when the anti-doping body joined the AFL in order to take advantage of its coercive powers. However, the 75 per cent discount applies to the full sentence, meaning it is an 18-month concession on two years, not one year. That is, six months.

NRL players were effectively offered a three-month ban, with their year-long sanction backdated to November, 2013. Ironically, the AFL and its supporters in Canberra precipitated this. The ASADA Act allows for administrative delays in bringing a case to a conclusion to mitigate a sentence. The joint AFL/ASADA investigation, promoted by senior public servants in the government of Julia Gillard, shifted ASADA's already stretched resources away from Sydney to Melbourne, meaning the Cronulla investigation was effectively placed on hold.

The AFL, by bullying ASADA into producing evidence for an interim report to punish the club, coach James Hird and other Essendon staff, drew resources away from the NRL. The co-operation of WADA is mandatory for all discounted bans and McDevitt may have a difficult task convincing the Montreal-based world body to accept the proposed Essendon ban of six months

A level of co-operation with a national anti-doping body is necessary to sustain discounted sanctions. Essendon, by taking ASADA to the Federal Court, could be perceived to being unco-operative, while Cronulla's board ruled out legal action, irrespective of ASADA penalties. While Essendon players were not a party to the action taken by their club and Hird, they were represented by a leading Melbourne barrister, David Grace QC.

Furthermore, club president Paul Little, has persistently claimed Essendon players are not guilty of taking performance-enhancing substances and has aggravated ASADA by saying publicly it will not communicate with him. It is understood ASADA's initial reticence to meet Little was only prior to the issue of show cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players, where he deemed it would be a conflict of interest.

All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place. It is presumed in the case of Essendon it is the use of the banned thymosin drug.

ASADA has also requested McLachlan issue a life ban against sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of the supplements program at Essendon and Cronulla, although the anti-doping body accepts this is the only common link between the two football clubs.

The Essendon campaign extended over a full year, with multiple injections where, despite the magisterial authority of Hird, players could have been expected to ask after say the fifth needle what were the substances and why was the operation conducted off site and requiring signed waivers.

By contrast, the Cronulla drugs regime was brief and ad hoc, administered after the captain's run final training session, from a corporate box at the club's home ground, with supplements stored amateurishly in an esky. The Cronulla club doctor quickly banned all injections and the program quickly reverted to use of creams and lozenges.

It is anticipated a three-month ban of past and present Cronulla players, where only five (one who has already announced his retirement) remain at the club, will be more palatable to NRL clubs than if the same punishment was applied to Essendon, where more than 20 players remain. Rival AFL clubs will contend the damage done to the AFL brand is greater in Melbourne where the code takes on the status of a civic religion. Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals, have major issues to confront in terms of the date a six-month ban begins.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...month-bans-20140821-106qv2.html#ixzz3B1t3QgR4

LOL LOL LOL...

So basically.. take the deal NOW before Justice Middleton makes a ruling.. or else we will get you... mkay!

How about we just wait a couple of weeks and see what happens?? Why the rush to make deals now?

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

Seriously, can these guys just **** off. They must think we're complete morons.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html

Old Roy just keeps plugging away unhindered by past embarrassment and inaccuracies.

1. If the players accept (admit/state) they took a banned substance then that would make their previous statements to the contrary or claiming ignorance false. Come in WADA or surprise surprise ASADA retract the offer..............again.
2. If ASADA believe the players have been duped and inadvertently doped, how would they be expected to know what was given, therefore how can they confess to taking X substance.
3. If ASADA believes the players have been fully cooperative to this point, why was McDesperate on the road asking for further cooperation a few weeks ago?
4. If ASADA has any semblance of a coherent and solid case drunk, why on earth are hey offering last minute bargains on sanctions?
5. If ASADA is confident they will emerge from the current court proceedings unscathed, why are they desperate to make a deal and avoid the court challenge and ADRVP process?
6. Why are ASADA still trying to do deals with the AFL despite recent exposure of their unethical, unlawful and underhanded methods? Have they no shame? Are they not accountable for their actions?
7. WTF planet are these useless campaigners on about? The jig is up, we know they're ******* useless, we know they have no case, the entire country has witnessed their incompetence laid painfully bare over the last 18 months and they think they have some kind of bargaining power?? Mind boggling to say the least.

 

[cymarak]

All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place.

Anyone who does not know by now - after 18 months of unrelenting crap - that ASADA cannot issue infraction notices, should not be getting paid to write anything.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

LOL LOL LOL...

So basically.. take the deal NOW before Justice Middleton makes a ruling.. or else we will get you... mkay!

How about we just wait a couple of weeks and see what happens?? Why the rush to make deals now?

Its a complete role reversal. The club wants to lay everything bare and the body that's supposed to shine a light on doping wants to sweep everything under the carpet. * me. Unbelievable.

 

[Matthew_Lloyd]

Lol @ ASADA saying they will withdraw the offer if we don't accept before Middleton makes a ruling.


Get ****ed. You clowns can prove your case