David Warner named Australian Vice-Captain

[Slax]

This is a crazy call

warner is not a leader

If you want to call it crazy fine, but if you are going to put up someone else

So whilst you think about an alternative you will realise why he was chosen

 

[JackOutback]

I don't think Johnson is any more or less crazy than Warner and the upshot is, it gives a real leader a couple of years to present themselves. Otherwise, Nevill seems like a mature guy who could offer support to Smith. Or Voges for a year. There's other options than Warner, even if they don't seem that great either.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd rather not have a VC, than have it be Warner.

 

[peternorth]

id rather get bowled out for 60 than have warner as vc.

wait.

 

[peternorth]

if you already cant stand m slater in the comm box, be prepared to play in traffic just to get relief.

 

[King Elvis]

if you already cant stand m slater in the comm box, be prepared to play in traffic just to get relief.

Clarke in the comm box, no Richie, no Greig, no Lawry; time to be one of the people who synchs up the radio.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Players who've retired, or are close to or at the end of their careers:
- Johnson
- Haddin
- Clarke
- Rogers
- Voges
- Watson
- Harris
- Siddle

Of the starting 11 of the last test, that leaves us with (excluding Smith):
- Warner
- M. Marsh
- S. Marsh
- Neville
- Starc
- Hazlewood
- Lyon

Senior players from the list above:
- Warner
- Lyon

Really came down to flip a coin, what other choice did CA have? Shaun Marsh as VC? He can't even cement a spot in the team due to piss poor form.

 

[King Elvis]

No one.

 

[The_Reaper]

Doesn't really matter if half the team hates him because half the team is leaving after this tour anyway

 

[The Swans Blog]

Doesn't really matter if half the team hates him because half the team is leaving after this tour anyway

Exactly. They won't give it to a bowler and they won't give it to a glove man without doing the hard yards first. If Bailey or White came back into the side I could understand giving it to them, but even then they aren't good enough to be in the test side.

 

[RohitSharma]

Congrats to the little man, the guy is a beast.

 

[peternorth]

vexed.

once selectors picked bailey as ODI captain because of his leadership. he was roundly booed, however became accepted and played well.

where are the leaders? wheres the succession plan? wheres the ARGUS report?

 

[Bradesmaen]

vexed.

once selectors picked bailey as ODI captain because of his leadership. he was roundly booed, however became accepted and played well.

where are the leaders? wheres the succession plan? wheres the ARGUS report?

Arg..o * yourself

 

[JackOutback]

No one.

Do we really need a vice captain? Appoint no one unless or until Smith misses a Test. Maybe someone would have stood up by then.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Do we really need a vice captain? Appoint no one unless or until Smith misses a Test. Maybe someone would have stood up by then.

They could always go with the same as when Healy and Gilchrist were vice captain. Another captain was appointed over the top and they remained vice.
I would have gone with Lyon. Warner has shown no situational awareness in his own game, much less anybody else's. Lyon has been fairly successful as a spinner, and to do that at the highest levels requires being able to pick out what batsmen are doing. I think in the field he would provide much better support.
Unfortunately CA don't pick captains outside the specialist batsmen (Benaud was probably the last to hold the post for more than an interim position and even he was regarded as a bowling all-rounder : probably missing a couple, Simpson, Lawry, I Chappell, Yallop (WSC years), G Chappell, Hughes, Border, Taylor, Waugh, Ponting, Clarke, Smith) and rarely are vice captains bowlers either.

 

[JackOutback]

Add Haddin to that list...Smith was chosen over him for the India series and rightfully so. Hopefully Smith doesn't miss a Test for a while and we can reassess where we are at because I agree, I have seen nothing from Warner to suggest he would be a capable tactician during a Test match, which can ebb and flow in a way that is obviously impossible in T20.

 

[Scotland]

Are there any good, experienced Shield players going around that aren't 35?

We'd love someone like Mike Hussey to be available at 30 now.

 

[JackOutback]

Are there any good, experienced Shield players going around that aren't 35?

We'd love someone like Mike Hussey to be available at 30 now.

Of the top run scorers from last season, only Callum Ferguson seems to fit the bill. Voges and Klinger are 35, Cowan 33, then you get the players like Burns and Stoinis who are 25. Rob Quiney and Dan Christian made some runs but I don't think CA would go down that path.

 

[Demosthenes]

Warner has shown no situational awareness in his own game, much less anybody else's.

To be fair to Warner, he has shown quite solid situational awareness when captaining in the IPL. Of course T20 is not Test cricket, but the ability to plan and think ahead is definitely there.

Temperamentally I don't think he's suited to a leadership role, but he's not the tactical blockhead some nuffies are making him out to be.

 

[Scotland]

Of the top run scorers from last season, only Callum Ferguson seems to fit the bill. Voges and Klinger are 35, Cowan 33, then you get the players like Burns and Stoinis who are 25. Rob Quiney and Dan Christian made some runs but I don't think CA would go down that path.

The cupboard is pretty bare. In a hurry we went from guys as good as Hussey, Katich, Martyn, Lehmann etc. having to bide their time in the Shield to scratching around for 35 year old stop gaps and hoping for another Steve Smith.

 

[Bradesmaen]

To be fair to Warner, he has shown quite solid situational awareness when captaining in the IPL. Of course T20 is not Test cricket, but the ability to plan and think ahead is definitely there.

Temperamentally I don't think he's suited to a leadership role, but he's not the tactical blockhead some nuffies are making him out to be.

It's T20 cricket.. captaining isn't really hard in that game. You have field restrictions and bowling restrictions. Plus it's a game of hit and giggle anyway.

 

[sherb]

The cupboard is pretty bare. In a hurry we went from guys as good as Hussey, Katich, Martyn, Lehmann etc. having to bide their time in the Shield to scratching around for 35 year old stop gaps and hoping for another Steve Smith.

I look at my state, Tasmania. We haven't produced a decent batsman for years.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I look at my state, Tasmania. We haven't produced a decent batsman for years.

Look at most state sides and you'll get the same. Depends on what you mean by decent too. QLD haven't produced any, WA, SA, Vic, Tas.. NSW has.

 

[The_Reaper]

I look at my state, Tasmania. We haven't produced a decent batsman for years.

To be fair Ponting is a pretty decent product.

And given Tassie's population, your 'under performance' in player production isn't the reason we're where we are.

I rate Head and Handscomb quite highly and expect them to break SA and VIC's droughts of producing decent batsmen.

For various reasons we just seem to be missing a generation of batsmen. There are some good prospects amongst the younger blokes but there isn't really anyone ready to take the jump up.

Ferguson and the two Queenslanders (Burns and Lynn) would be the closest and really should be getting opportunities over the next few years.

It's a real pity that we don't have any opener that is really ready to replace Rogers

 

[The_Reaper]

Look at most state sides and you'll get the same. Depends on what you mean by decent too. QLD haven't produced any, WA, SA, Vic, Tas.. NSW has.

Hussey, Rogers and Katich for WA.
So same generation as Ponting.

Hayden for Queensland.

Lehmann I guess for South Australia and maybe Dean Jones for Victoria? It's hard to count Elliott and whilst I think Hodge would have averaged 40+ at test level he did only play 5-6 tests.

NSW can't carry the country forever.