No Oppo Supporters General AFL discussion and other club news

[spudmaster]

AI is a bit simple: "The winner of this grand final will be crowned the 2023 premiership champion, while the runner-up will take second place."

 

[killerspud]

 

[hawkinoz]

Any idea why other clubs have anounced a few delists while we are yet to. Do we think some of they could have trade interest, so why jump the gun?

Class of 2023: All AFL list changes​

Adelaide
Fischer McAsey

3

Fischer Mcasey

Age

23

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(Collingwood 2011 - 2015)
Brisbane
Marcus Adams

24

Marcus Adams

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

57.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

235.8

4star

(Western Bulldogs 2016 - 2018)
Daniel Rich

10

Daniel Rich

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

430.3

5star

D

14.9

4star

K

13.1

5star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

384.3

5star

D

16.2

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

5.2

5star

Carlton
Ed Curnow
Essendon
Andrew Phillips (GWS 2012 - 2015, Carlton 2016 - 2019)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

43

Anthony...

Age

31

Ht

171cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.7

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

4.2

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

3.8

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.0

1star

Alastair Lord, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride (delisted)
Fremantle
Travis Colyer

33

Travis Colyer

Age

32

Ht

173cm

Wt

74kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

16.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.0

1star

(delisted) (Essendon 2010 - 2018)
Nathan Wilson

14

Nathan Wilson

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

456.0

5star

D

10.7

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

271.8

4star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.4

4star

(delisted) (GWS 2012 - 2017)
Geelong
Isaac Smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age

35

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

(Hawthorn 2011 - 2020)
Jonathon Ceglar

15

Jonathon Ceglar

Age

33

Ht

204cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.2

4star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

21.0

5star

D

10.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

3.8

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

13.4

5star

(Hawthorn 2013 - 2021)
Sam Menegola

27

Sam Menegola

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.4

3star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.4

2star

CL

1.7

4star

D

18.4

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.8

4star

(delisted)
Sam Simpson

37

Sam Simpson

Age

25

Ht

183cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, Cooper Whyte, Osca Riccardi (delisted)
GWS Giants
Daniel Lloyd

38

Daniel Lloyd

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

(Adelaide 2009 - 2011)
Hawthorn
Max Lynch (Collingwood 2017 - 2021)
North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington

10

Ben Cunnington

Age

32

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

17.7

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

11.7

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

15.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

3.0

5star

Aaron Hall

43

Aaron Hall

Age

33

Ht

185cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.3

5star

MG

268.3

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

268.3

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

(Gold Coast 2013 - 2018)
Jack Ziebell

7

Jack Ziebell

Age

33

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.1

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.6

5star

MG

369.5

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.6

3star

MG

125.8

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

Port Adelaide
Tom Jonas
Richmond
Jason Castagna

11

Jason Castagna

Age

27

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.1

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

Trent Cotchin

9

Trent Cotchin

Age

34

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.4

5star

K

13.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

5.2

5star

D

19.0

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

3.5

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.0

3star

Jack Riewoldt
Robbie Tarrant

6

Robbie Tarrant

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

(North Melbourne 2008 - 2021)
Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
Sydney
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn 2005 - 2013)
Paddy McCartin (St Kilda 2015 - 2019)
Tom Hickey

31

Tom Hickey

Age

33

Ht

202cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.9

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

19.1

5star

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.0

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

8.6

5star

(Gold Coast 2011-12, St Kilda 2013-18, West Coast 2019-20)
West Coast
Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

36

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey

13

Luke Shuey

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

18.7

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Western Bulldogs
Josh Bruce

17

Josh Bruce

Age

31

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

90.4

1star

D

8.9

2star

K

3.5

1star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

90.4

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

(GWS 2012 - 2013, St Kilda 2014 - 2019)
Mitch Hannan (delisted) (Melbourne 2017 - 2020)

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Any idea why other clubs have anounced a few delists while we are yet to. Do we think some of they could have trade interest, so why jump the gun?

Class of 2023: All AFL list changes​

Adelaide
Fischer McAsey
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood 2011 - 2015)
Brisbane
Marcus Adams (Western Bulldogs 2016 - 2018)
Daniel Rich
Carlton
Ed Curnow
Essendon
Andrew Phillips (GWS 2012 - 2015, Carlton 2016 - 2019)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
Alastair Lord, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride (delisted)
Fremantle
Travis Colyer (delisted) (Essendon 2010 - 2018)
Nathan Wilson (delisted) (GWS 2012 - 2017)
Geelong
Isaac Smith (Hawthorn 2011 - 2020)
Jonathon Ceglar (Hawthorn 2013 - 2021)
Sam Menegola (delisted)
Sam Simpson, Cooper Whyte, Osca Riccardi (delisted)
GWS Giants
Daniel Lloyd
Phil Davis (Adelaide 2009 - 2011)
Hawthorn
Max Lynch (Collingwood 2017 - 2021)
North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington
Aaron Hall (Gold Coast 2013 - 2018)
Jack Ziebell
Port Adelaide
Tom Jonas
Richmond
Jason Castagna
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Robbie Tarrant (North Melbourne 2008 - 2021)
Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
Sydney
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn 2005 - 2013)
Paddy McCartin (St Kilda 2015 - 2019)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast 2011-12, St Kilda 2013-18, West Coast 2019-20)
West Coast
Shannon Hurn
Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey
Western Bulldogs
Josh Bruce (GWS 2012 - 2013, St Kilda 2014 - 2019)
Mitch Hannan (delisted) (Melbourne 2017 - 2020)

Possibly so as to not break the hearts of blokes still running around for Box Hill in the finals.

 

[Mopar Jason]

Any idea why other clubs have anounced a few delists while we are yet to. Do we think some of they could have trade interest, so why jump the gun?

Class of 2023: All AFL list changes​

Adelaide
Fischer McAsey
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood 2011 - 2015)
Brisbane
Marcus Adams (Western Bulldogs 2016 - 2018)
Daniel Rich
Carlton
Ed Curnow
Essendon
Andrew Phillips (GWS 2012 - 2015, Carlton 2016 - 2019)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
Alastair Lord, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride (delisted)
Fremantle
Travis Colyer (delisted) (Essendon 2010 - 2018)
Nathan Wilson (delisted) (GWS 2012 - 2017)
Geelong
Isaac Smith (Hawthorn 2011 - 2020)
Jonathon Ceglar (Hawthorn 2013 - 2021)
Sam Menegola (delisted)
Sam Simpson, Cooper Whyte, Osca Riccardi (delisted)
GWS Giants
Daniel Lloyd
Phil Davis (Adelaide 2009 - 2011)
Hawthorn
Max Lynch (Collingwood 2017 - 2021)
North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington
Aaron Hall (Gold Coast 2013 - 2018)
Jack Ziebell
Port Adelaide
Tom Jonas
Richmond
Jason Castagna
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Robbie Tarrant (North Melbourne 2008 - 2021)
Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
Sydney
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn 2005 - 2013)
Paddy McCartin (St Kilda 2015 - 2019)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast 2011-12, St Kilda 2013-18, West Coast 2019-20)
West Coast
Shannon Hurn
Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey
Western Bulldogs
Josh Bruce (GWS 2012 - 2013, St Kilda 2014 - 2019)
Mitch Hannan (delisted) (Melbourne 2017 - 2020)

Perhaps we haven't named any delistings because Box Hill is still in the finals

 

[MasterSamurai]

Didn't even know Tarrant was still on a list!!

 

[Off The Couch]

Spotlight is going to be a tough watch on Sunday.

Sad to see Platts like that

 

[Rhayader]

Man who did terrible things thinks everyone should just forgive and forget.

I read that as him saying he was the one forgiving and forgetting …

 

[cryptor]

I read that as him saying he was the one forgiving and forgetting …

That might be the correct interpretation. He and Hird have always played the victims.

 

[MightyHawks]

Any idea why other clubs have anounced a few delists while we are yet to. Do we think some of they could have trade interest, so why jump the gun?

Class of 2023: All AFL list changes​

Adelaide
Fischer McAsey
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood 2011 - 2015)
Brisbane
Marcus Adams (Western Bulldogs 2016 - 2018)
Daniel Rich
Carlton
Ed Curnow
Essendon
Andrew Phillips (GWS 2012 - 2015, Carlton 2016 - 2019)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
Alastair Lord, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride (delisted)
Fremantle
Travis Colyer (delisted) (Essendon 2010 - 2018)
Nathan Wilson (delisted) (GWS 2012 - 2017)
Geelong
Isaac Smith (Hawthorn 2011 - 2020)
Jonathon Ceglar (Hawthorn 2013 - 2021)
Sam Menegola (delisted)
Sam Simpson, Cooper Whyte, Osca Riccardi (delisted)
GWS Giants
Daniel Lloyd
Phil Davis (Adelaide 2009 - 2011)
Hawthorn
Max Lynch (Collingwood 2017 - 2021)
North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington
Aaron Hall (Gold Coast 2013 - 2018)
Jack Ziebell
Port Adelaide
Tom Jonas
Richmond
Jason Castagna
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Robbie Tarrant (North Melbourne 2008 - 2021)
Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
Sydney
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn 2005 - 2013)
Paddy McCartin (St Kilda 2015 - 2019)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast 2011-12, St Kilda 2013-18, West Coast 2019-20)
West Coast
Shannon Hurn
Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey
Western Bulldogs
Josh Bruce (GWS 2012 - 2013, St Kilda 2014 - 2019)
Mitch Hannan (delisted) (Melbourne 2017 - 2020)

Interesting the Cats have delisted more Hawks than we have.

 

[Sizzlesilk]

Interesting the Cats have delisted more Hawks than we have.

Especially with only 1 rookie to upgrade and only 1 pick inside 80… what are they up to….

 

[I got the outside word]

Especially with only 1 rookie to upgrade and only 1 pick inside 80… what are they up to….

Geelong get to pick 5 clubs with first round picks and they have to hand over the picks that Geelong want as a priority pick package for not making finals.

 

[Kil Phearns]

Let’s just enjoy a rare Geelong Football Circus League finals series with no Geelong in it while we can.

 

[Brishawk]

Especially with only 1 rookie to upgrade and only 1 pick inside 80… what are they up to….

Im waiting for them to ask the afl for a priority pick

 

[HedgeFund]

Any idea why other clubs have anounced a few delists while we are yet to. Do we think some of they could have trade interest, so why jump the gun?

Class of 2023: All AFL list changes​

Adelaide
Fischer McAsey
Paul Seedsman (Collingwood 2011 - 2015)
Brisbane
Marcus Adams (Western Bulldogs 2016 - 2018)
Daniel Rich
Carlton
Ed Curnow
Essendon
Andrew Phillips (GWS 2012 - 2015, Carlton 2016 - 2019)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
Alastair Lord, Rhett Montgomerie, Cian McBride (delisted)
Fremantle
Travis Colyer (delisted) (Essendon 2010 - 2018)
Nathan Wilson (delisted) (GWS 2012 - 2017)
Geelong
Isaac Smith (Hawthorn 2011 - 2020)
Jonathon Ceglar (Hawthorn 2013 - 2021)
Sam Menegola (delisted)
Sam Simpson, Cooper Whyte, Osca Riccardi (delisted)
GWS Giants
Daniel Lloyd
Phil Davis (Adelaide 2009 - 2011)
Hawthorn
Max Lynch (Collingwood 2017 - 2021)
North Melbourne
Ben Cunnington
Aaron Hall (Gold Coast 2013 - 2018)
Jack Ziebell
Port Adelaide
Tom Jonas
Richmond
Jason Castagna
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Robbie Tarrant (North Melbourne 2008 - 2021)
Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
Sydney
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn 2005 - 2013)
Paddy McCartin (St Kilda 2015 - 2019)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast 2011-12, St Kilda 2013-18, West Coast 2019-20)
West Coast
Shannon Hurn
Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey
Western Bulldogs
Josh Bruce (GWS 2012 - 2013, St Kilda 2014 - 2019)
Mitch Hannan (delisted) (Melbourne 2017 - 2020)

Vast majority are retirements

 

[Cleavy]

Possibly so as to not break the hearts of blokes still running around for Box Hill in the finals.

And a little bit of head f’ing on the side

 

[killerspud]

Spotlight is going to be a tough watch on Sunday.

Sad to see Platts like that

Spotlight is sensationalist bullshit pretending to be news and current affairs.

Yes there is a real story here but I'd wait for someone with some credibility to do it

 

[arupist]

Especially with only 1 rookie to upgrade and only 1 pick inside 80… what are they up to….

They'll get 2 first round picks for the E-Rat.

 

[Sixpence]

They'll get 2 first round picks for the E-Rat.

3 way trade with GC:

Geelong get Pick 5
Port get Esava
GC get Port's R3

 

[Rushed_Behind]

3 way trade with GC:

Geelong get Pick 5
Port get Esava
GC get Port's R3

In what reality is esava worth more than pick 30? Let alone the $600k or so being bandied about.

 

[badgrill]

This is a good call from Bartel

jeez it's hard listening to whoever that knob is interrupting Bartel with nothing other than making it somehow about himself.

* that guy

 

[DogDaySonny]

I asked ChatGPT what episode of a TV show an event happened in. It got it wrong about 7 times before I helped it and told it what series to look for. It then got it wrong about another 11 times. I’m not scared of it taking my job just yet.

Yes, the generative text AI engines are not trained to provide accurate information. They are actually trained to predict a string of words that a regular person (as defined by the big pool of trainers and now users) would accept as credible, however the trainers define it.

The huge innovation with ChatGPT was that it efficiently indexed the entire internet into a language training data set. The truly huge innovation in this technology will be if we can create a way for it to judge truthfulness. Personally, I don't think that it is possible to algorithmically determine truth or falsehood (having to do with Gödel's incompleteness theorems as demonstrated by Roger Penrose in the late 80's and early 90's) but people will try. Either by limiting the training data (the internet is not a font of truthfulness, after all), or by limiting the possible answers (discussion restrictions in code form). But as long as the technology is generative, it's just predicting the most likely next word so will never be able to judge the truth of the word, just the probably of it coming after the words before it in the context of the words provided in the prompt.

 

[Tuck In]

Yes, the generative text AI engines are not trained to provide accurate information. They are actually trained to predict a string of words that a regular person (as defined by the big pool of trainers and now users) would accept as credible, however the trainers define it.

The huge innovation with ChatGPT was that it efficiently indexed the entire internet into a language training data set. The truly huge innovation in this technology will be if we can create a way for it to judge truthfulness. Personally, I don't think that it is possible to algorithmically determine truth or falsehood (having to do with Gödel's incompleteness theorems as demonstrated by Roger Penrose in the late 80's and early 90's) but people will try. Either by limiting the training data (the internet is not a font of truthfulness, after all), or by limiting the possible answers (discussion restrictions in code form). But as long as the technology is generative, it's just predicting the most likely next word so will never be able to judge the truth of the word, just the probably of it coming after the words before it in the context of the words provided in the prompt.

TLDR……or did I?

 

[peetoo]

Interesting the Cats have delisted more Hawks than

Especially with only 1 rookie to upgrade and only 1 pick inside 80… what are they up to….

How can this be so when they got a B+ rating from fox footy for drafting and trading last year?

It would have made sense if there was a credible push for another flag in 23

 

[peetoo]

They'll get 2 first round picks for the E-Rat.

Delisting suggests they already know that?