So you're saying that players wait to take possession so they can get tackled without prior. Not sure about that.
Rules Holding the ball. Eliminate prior opportunity. Penalty. Clear congestion.
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It sometimes happens when players are out of position or don't have enough support around them.
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I believe the umpire's are instructed that if a player looks like they might break the tackle or are about to dispose of the ball to give them an opportunity to do so.
Makes sense given that some players, like a Cripps for instance, seem to get more time. He always looks like he's about to break the tackle or is a split second away from dishing off a handball.
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You've missed the point. I'm talking about prior opportunity which happens before they get tackled not after.
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I haven't missed anything and nothing you have said changes what I said.
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That's pretty soft.
Already been through this at length.
You’re completely correct btw.
It’s the only way to properly fix congestion.
If a player gets tackled then
- he shrugs the tackle off
- he disposes of the ball
- he’s tackled illegally and gets a free kick
… or it’s holding the ball.
It’s the way the game was designed, and very good reason.
The endless rugby pile-ons then balling it up is what creates congestion.
Ending congestion
The AFL has trialled and implemented all types of new rules to ease congestion and get the ball moving. I reckon the one that would make the biggest difference is staring us right in the face. Look at what happens now at EVERY contested situation. Ball-up around the ground? The ruckmen tap it...
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So if I player puts their body on the line, picks the ball up, and gets up - without even getting balanced yet to dispose of the ball and they get tackled you want that to be holding the ball?
Agreed! This change needs to happen. Have been saying for a while now that one black and white rule is the only way to:
- Remove all grey area and confusion.
- Clear congestion around the ball.
The naysayers will come out with their predictable counter argument that nobody will then try to win the ball for fear of being penalised but this is the AFL for god's sake. If you can't win the ball, you won't win games.
Yes. Exactly. Having the ability to dispose of the ball quickly (whether on the ground or on your feet, whether balanced or not) is an incredibly valued skill. The elite guys at this - Neale, Walsh, Brodie types, should be rewarded. If you get caught you need to improve your speed or strength.
The line between prior and no prior is quite razor thin… often talking a split second for the umpire to work out with 70,000 fans screaming in the background. Tough job to get it perfect. Umpires need to be full time wages for starters not part time
Why would anyone want to play a contested game then?? Everyone would sit back waiting for the other team to win it then swarm. No reward for going in and winning it
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You can't penalise a player who hasn't made a mistake or done anything wrong. You want to penalise a player who is tackled immediately and hasn't had the time to dispose of the ball? You want to penalise a player who has the ball knocked out of his hands by a good tackle? That's not incorrect disposal. Even without a free, the tackler is rewarded by dispossessing the player with the ball.
No player will want to take possession of a "hot" ball if he will be penalised without given a chance to dispose of the ball. I'm talking here where there is no "prior opportunity".
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Ridiculous isn't it - OP has obviously never played a game before
Want to eliminate congestion? Stop paying everything that goes out of bounds as deliberate.
Congestion got worse when they started cracking down as teams stopped keeping players in position - why do you need to, you're most likely going to get the ball back anyway.
Congestion got worse when they started cracking down as teams stopped keeping players in position - why do you need to, you're most likely going to get the ball back anyway.
You know what, to all you people that don’t play you shouldn’t comment - introducing HTB for no prior would destroy the game from junior through to senior. Absolutely shatter it to pieces and we’ll get no talent.
Yes you want congestion reduced at AFL level but there’s more to it than that, think about the widespread consequences.
Because what you’re really saying is that a lil kid brave enough to get in and grab the footy deserves to have a free kick paid against him. Think about what this would look like in 20 years time when you’ve built rules to encourage not going for the ball.
Yes you want congestion reduced at AFL level but there’s more to it than that, think about the widespread consequences.
Because what you’re really saying is that a lil kid brave enough to get in and grab the footy deserves to have a free kick paid against him. Think about what this would look like in 20 years time when you’ve built rules to encourage not going for the ball.
Rule modify insteadi : If your team mate hand passes to you and you are immediately tackled then there it’s HB because of your team mate stupidity.
Other no prior situations leave them as it it unless you want the game to develop to soccer…
Other no prior situations leave them as it it unless you want the game to develop to soccer…
