Analysis Making the Top 4 and building to a flag. 4TH is IRRELEVANT, MAKE IT TOP 3

[RossFC]

Interesting how many players we have on our list that are not first rounders.
2nd Round: Trengove, Stewart, Clurey, Cornes, Shaw, Impey, Young, Ah Chee
3rd Round: Broadbent, O'Shea, Carlile, Byrne-Jones, Harvey, Howard, Logan
4th Round: Robbie Gray, Redden, Amon, Austin
5th Round: Westhoff, Palmer
6th Round: Frampton
Pre-Season Draft: White, Colquhoun
Rookie: Mitchell, Jonas, Sam Gray, Russell, (Whoever we pick Wednesday)
NT Zone Selection: Neade
GWS Underage Recruit: Hombsch
International Rookie: Flynn
The Recruit TV Show: Wagner

Of the 4 non-1st rounders we brought in from other clubs:
White was a free agent via Richmond
Logan was a rookie via Brisbane
Neade and Hombsch was packaged up by GWS for a 2nd round pick.

 

[Portress Hill]

ah chee was pick 45

 

[RossFC]

ah chee was pick 45

Which was a late 2nd round pick in 2011.

 

[Jabsy]

hehehe... 5th round, Westhoff..... What an astute pick.

 

[Tibbs]

hehehe... 5th round, Westhoff..... What an astute pick.

3rd & 4th rounds too ...
3th Round:
Broadbent, O'Shea, Carlile
4th Round:
*Robbie Gray, Redden

If a couple of the picks from this year, and a couple from last year can match these blokes, then we well and truly extend our premiership window!

* Superstar

 

[Nemisis]

hehehe... 5th round, Westhoff..... What an astute pick.

I heard Choco was the one that was very keen on Hoff

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

In 2008 the Hawks recruited 18 players directly drafted from non AFL clubs
They re traded Croad back from Freo
Picked up Guerra in the PSD after playing for Port and St Kilda
Dew returned to footy and was recruited in the national draft
Gilham was on Port's list and was delisted and the Hawks rookied him first.

5 years on they only have 9 x 2008 premiership players
2001 Hodge (1) Mitchell (36)
2002 Sewell (2003 Rookie - 7)

2004 Roughead (PS 2) Franklin (5) Lewis (pick 7 from the Thompson trade)
2005 Birchall (14 from trade for Motlop/Lonie combo ) Guerra (PSD 3, originally1999 - 28 )

2007 Rioli (12)

They brought in 6 players from other clubs
2009 Gibson trade ( gave up picks 25+41)
2009 Burgoyne trade ( gave up pick 9 + Williams)
2010 Hale trade (gave up pick 27 + 71) also got pick 52
2011 Gunston trade (gave up pick 24 + 46 + 64) also got pick 53 and 71
2012 Brian Lake trade ( gave up pick 21 + 43)
2012 Simpkin Delisted Free Agent
* yeah I know some deals had some minor picks attached and traded with player

Draft - 7 more direct from the draft, 6 after the flag.
2005 Bailey (18)
2008 Shiels (34)
2009 Stratton (36)
2010 Smith (19) Puopolo (66)
2011 Hill (33) Bruest ( Rookie Elevation)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...uilding-to-a-flag.489103/page-3#post-30389318

In 2014 Hawthorn made 5 changes to their 2013 flag side.
Guerra retired, Bailey retired, Buddy went to Sydney free agency, Sewell was an emergency, Simpkin didn't make it.
In was Druyea, McEvoy,Suckling, Langford and Spangher.

6 years on they only have 6 x 2008 + 2013 premiership players to go with 2014
2001 Hodge (1) Mitchell (36)

2004 Roughead (PS 2) Lewis (pick 7 from the Thompson trade)
2005 Birchall (14 from trade for Motlop/Lonie combo ) Guerra (PSD 3, originally1999 - 28 )
2007 Rioli (12)

They brought in 7 players from other clubs first 5 on list where there in 2013
2009 Gibson trade ( gave up picks 25+41)
2009 Burgoyne trade ( gave up pick 9 + Williams)
2010 Hale trade (gave up pick 27 + 71) also got pick 52
2011 Gunston trade (gave up pick 24 + 46 + 64) also got pick 53 and 71
2012 Brian Lake trade ( gave up pick 21 + 43)
2012 Spangher trade (pick 64)
2013 Mcevoy trade (give up pick 18)
* yeah I know some deals had some minor picks attached and traded with player

Draft - 9 more direct from the draft, 8 after the 2008 flag and all before 2013 flag. Bold = 2013 premiership players

2006 ie 2007 Rookie draft Suckling (#22 an the re Rookie 2009 #79 and the Rookie Elevation 2009 # 70)
2008 Shiels (34)
2008 ie 2009 rookie draft Bruest ( # 47 and then 2011 Rookie Elevation #97)
2009 Stratton (36) Druyea (69)
2010 Smith (19) Puopolo (66)
2010 ie 2011 Rookie draft NSW Scholarship Will Langford ( #85 and then 2013 Rookie Elevation #71)
2011 Hill (33)

 

[mic59]

Interesting how many players we have on our list that are not first rounders.
2nd Round: Trengove, Stewart, Clurey, Cornes, Shaw, Impey, Young, Ah Chee
3rd Round: Broadbent, O'Shea, Carlile, Byrne-Jones, Harvey, Howard, Logan
4th Round: Robbie Gray, Redden, Amon, Austin
5th Round: Westhoff, Palmer
6th Round: Frampton

Of these players, the ones marked in bold were further down the list than they may have been due to GCS and GWS concessions.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Of these players, the ones marked in bold were further down the list than they may have been due to GCS and GWS concessions.

Other way round. If the 17 year olds and zone players had entered the draft, then the bolded players might not have been so high up the order. Eg Polec was pick 5 in 2010 but if a few 17 year olds who went to GC in 2009 - if they had gone into the 2010 draft as 18 year olds, Polec might have come in at 8,9 or 10.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I heard Choco was the one that was very keen on Hoff

Yeah, Matt Westhoff. Choco had a great talent for claiming credit for any successful left-field selection at Port but was willing to share the love for the fizzers.

Mick Moylan identified Justin Westhoff as one of his favourite picks in his time at Port.

AFL recruiters reveal their favourite picks

We liked his athleticism for a start and liked the fact he was playing senior football in a forward pocket with up the ground cameos at Central District. And we pretty much had someone watching him every week. You almost had to go along to wait for a 5-10 minute patch where he was really involved to understand what he was about. He wasn’t a high stats representation but you kept thinking the people at Central kept picking him. What you see now is what you saw in brief moments back then. So don’t always look at the stats sheet.

AFL recruiters reveal their favourite picks

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I put this in MrTripleC's 225 days of season 2013 thread almost 2 years ago - but it has some relevance here as we will be competing with the new sides in 2 or 3 time for a flag. I have updated it for seasons 2013 and 2014.

There is always discussion about the 2 new teams being able to win a flag this decade develops. Though about how the 4 teams from the 2 traditional footy states went in their first 8 seasons and how things have changed since the 1970's with respect to more teams spreading round the flags and GF's.

WCE.. prelim final 4th year, GF 5th, Flag 6th and 8th ( finals 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th)
Crows prelim final 3rd year, GF and Flag 7th and 8th (finals 3rd, 7th and 8th)
Port... prelim final 6th and 7th years, GF and Flag 8th [GF 11th] (finals 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th)
Freo.. prelim final in 12th and GF in 19th (finals in 9th and 12th)

1970's
4 teams won flags
Clt 70, 72, 79 (lost 73) won 1 flag in the 60's
Haw 71, 76, 78 (lost 75) won 1 flag in the 60's
Rich 73, 74 (lost 72) won 2 flags in the 60's
North 75, 77 (lost 74, 76, 78)
2 other teams lost GF with no flag
Coll 70, 77, 79
St K 71 won 1 flag in 60's

1980's
4 teams won flags
Rich 80 (lost 82) won 2 flags in the 70's
Clt 81, 82, 87 (lost 86) won 3 flags in the 70's
Haw 83, 86, 88, 89 (lost 84, 85, 87) won 3 flags in the 70's
Ess 84, 85 (lost 83)
3 other teams lost GF with no flag
Coll 80, 81
Mel 88
Gee 89

1990's
7 teams won flags
Coll 90
Haw 91 won 4 flags in the 80's
WCE 92, 94 (lost 91)
Ess 93 (lost 90) won 2 flags in the 80's
Clt 95 (lost 93, 99) won 2 flags in the 80's
NM 96, 99 (lost 98)
Adl 97, 98
3 other teams lost GF with no flag
Gee 92, 94, 95
Syd 96
St K 97


2000's
7 teams won flags
Ess 00 (lost 01) won 1 flag in the 90's
Bris 01, 02, 03 (lost 04)
PA 04 (lost 07)
Syd 05 (lost 06)
WCE 06 (lost 05) won 2 flags in the 90's
Gee 07,09 (lost 08)
Haw 08 won 1 flag in the 90's
3 other teams lost GF with no flag
Mel 00
Coll 02, 03
St K 09

2010's
4 teams have won flags
Coll 10 (lost 11)
Gee 11 won 2 flags in the 00's
Syd 12 (lost 14) won 1 flag in the 00's
Haw 13, 14 won (lost 12) won 1 flag in the 00's
2 other teams lost GF with no flag
St K 10
Freo 13


So given the patterns of the last 4 decades and half of this decade the likelihood this decade is that;
7 maybe 8 teams will win flags ie 3 or 4 more teams to go and
3 teams loose a GF without winning a flag ie 1 more to go and
That probably no more teams that won a flag in the 2000's will win a flag in the 2010's and
That at least 1 team and probably 2 will win multiple flags and one will lose multiple GF's.

 

[Tibbs]

......
That probably no more teams that won a flag in the 2000's will win a flag in the 2010's and
That at least 1 team and probably 2 will win multiple flags and one will lose multiple GF's.

Trying to get my head around that! ... Does that mean Port probably will not not win a flag?

 

[Quadzilla]

Trying to get my head around that! ... Does that mean Port probably will not not win a flag?

We're going to break the trend!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Our squad 2014-15 movements



The premiers


our squad rating at start of the year

 

[Power Raid]

That is a tough 22 to break into

 

[Papa G]

If Roughhead gets injured and Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne fall away rapidly/retire they will be a very different team.

 

[Relativity]

Any reason for highlighting 2001,6 & 8 in yellow REH?

 

[mic59]

A Roughhead injury would probably be the most serious for Hawthorn. We nearly certainly would have won the prelim but for Roughhead. Hodge also meant a lot to them but the loss of an elite midfielder can be minimized by a good team. The loss of a goalkicker is much more difficult to cover.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Any reason for highlighting 2001,6 & 8 in yellow REH?

The 3 superdrafts as the recruiting insiders have dubbed them and to highlight what each side has left from them.

 

[Relativity]

It highlights how well Hawthorn have recruited from other clubs. 13 players over 9 years and all of them still on their list.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It highlights how well Hawthorn have recruited from other clubs. 13 players over 9 years and all of them still on their list.

No its 11 players over 6 drafts ie 2009-14 in my chart. Frawley and O'Rouke shouldnt have been in brown in the section when drafted by other clubs and Im not sure if Anderson was a zone trade player from NT like Neade with the GWS in 2012 but he should be the 11th player in that section.

If you read my earlier posts thru this thread I break down where the 22 players of each of the Hawks last 3 premierships have made their way to the club. They have also done well out of rookies the last few years

 

[BIG MATTY WHITE]

Jake neade and hombsch at 29.....how does that rank


Lol

 

[Andre]

If Roughhead gets injured and Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne fall away rapidly/retire they will be a very different team.

They only need a couple to drop away. The Hawks have good depth, which served them well last year, but they had their best team come finals. If you were a betting person it'd be smarter to put money on all those players not being available AND all the older ones not dropping off.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

What's happened to Geelong's 3 flag's and 4 GF's dynasty, 4 years after their last flag and GF. Between 2007-2014 they finished top 4 in 7 of those 8 years and made 6 PFs with 5 consecutive between 2007-2011.




The Hawks who probably won a flag 2 years early but have had 4 great years and if they make the PF this year that's 5 consecutive years.

 

[FromTheHartland]

What's happened to Geelong's 3 flag's and 4 GF's dynasty, 4 years after their last flag and GF. Between 2007-2014 they finished top 4 in 7 of those 8 years and made 6 PFs with 5 consecutive between 2007-2011.

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The Hawks who probably won a flag 2 years early but have had 4 great years and if they make the PF this year that's 5 consecutive years.

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Whatever happened to Clinton Young? He went to Collingwood but that was at least 2 seasons ago.