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May be a few club doctors seeking legal advice today.
The AFL sweeping it under the carpet. They have released this statement to Fox Footy. Notice how they won't publicize it on their own website.
As well as being a signatory to World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code via the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code, the AFL has an Illicit Drug Policy which has been in place since 2005, and at the core of the policy is a commitment to player wellbeing and welfare.
The AFL Illicit Drug Policy (IDP) is a policy that specifically deals with the use of illicit substances out of competition and is focussed on player health and well-being. The policy seeks to reduce substance use and drug-related harms for AFL players and aims to inform and rehabilitate players through education and intervention.
It exists alongside and in addition to the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code which covers prohibited substances including some illicit substances in competition as prescribed by the WADA prohibited list.
Urine tests conducted by doctors to determine if a player has used illicit substances are part of the AFL’s Illicit Drug Policy medical model and have been for some time.
Doctors may use those urine tests to obtain an immediate result to determine whether any illicit substance remains in a player’s system. This is normally conducted at the club or in the doctors consulting rooms.
If the test shows a substance is still in the players system, a doctor will take steps to prevent a player from taking part in either training and/or an AFL match both for their own health and welfare and because having illicit substances in your system on match day may be deemed performance enhancing and a breach of the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code (depending on the substance involved).
It is absolutely imperative that no doctor or club official should ever allow or encourage a player to take the field knowing they have recently taken an illicit substance that may be harmful to their health and/or may be deemed performance-enhancing (as many illicit substances are on match day).
We support the WADA code (as it applies to our sport through the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code) and support the fundamental premise on which it is founded that any player who takes the field with a performance-enhancing prohibited substance in their system should be treated in accordance with the Anti-Doping Code and face heavy sanctions.
The AFL observes that AFL players are not immune to the societal issues faced by young people with respect to illicit substances and also acknowledges that illicit drug use problems commonly co-occur with other mental health conditions.
While the AFL’s medical model involves a multidisciplinary healthcare management plan, the monitoring of players is highly confidential. A doctor or healthcare professional generally cannot disclose the nature of the clinical intervention or condition to others unless the player willingly consents.
We understand that the Illicit Drugs Policy can be improved and we are working with the AFLPA and players to improve the policy and the system to ensure we are better able to change the behaviours of players. But we are unapologetic about club and AFL doctors taking the correct steps to ensure that any player who they believe has an illicit substance in their system does not take part in any AFL match and that doctor patient confidentially is upheld and respected.
The AFL will always be required to make decisions which seek to balance competing rights and interests. The medical interests and welfare of players is a priority for the AFL given everything we know about the risks facing young people generally and those who play our game in particular.
As well as being a signatory to World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code via the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code, the AFL has an Illicit Drug Policy which has been in place since 2005, and at the core of the policy is a commitment to player wellbeing and welfare.
The AFL Illicit Drug Policy (IDP) is a policy that specifically deals with the use of illicit substances out of competition and is focussed on player health and well-being. The policy seeks to reduce substance use and drug-related harms for AFL players and aims to inform and rehabilitate players through education and intervention.
It exists alongside and in addition to the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code which covers prohibited substances including some illicit substances in competition as prescribed by the WADA prohibited list.
Urine tests conducted by doctors to determine if a player has used illicit substances are part of the AFL’s Illicit Drug Policy medical model and have been for some time.
Doctors may use those urine tests to obtain an immediate result to determine whether any illicit substance remains in a player’s system. This is normally conducted at the club or in the doctors consulting rooms.
If the test shows a substance is still in the players system, a doctor will take steps to prevent a player from taking part in either training and/or an AFL match both for their own health and welfare and because having illicit substances in your system on match day may be deemed performance enhancing and a breach of the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code (depending on the substance involved).
It is absolutely imperative that no doctor or club official should ever allow or encourage a player to take the field knowing they have recently taken an illicit substance that may be harmful to their health and/or may be deemed performance-enhancing (as many illicit substances are on match day).
We support the WADA code (as it applies to our sport through the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code) and support the fundamental premise on which it is founded that any player who takes the field with a performance-enhancing prohibited substance in their system should be treated in accordance with the Anti-Doping Code and face heavy sanctions.
The AFL observes that AFL players are not immune to the societal issues faced by young people with respect to illicit substances and also acknowledges that illicit drug use problems commonly co-occur with other mental health conditions.
While the AFL’s medical model involves a multidisciplinary healthcare management plan, the monitoring of players is highly confidential. A doctor or healthcare professional generally cannot disclose the nature of the clinical intervention or condition to others unless the player willingly consents.
We understand that the Illicit Drugs Policy can be improved and we are working with the AFLPA and players to improve the policy and the system to ensure we are better able to change the behaviours of players. But we are unapologetic about club and AFL doctors taking the correct steps to ensure that any player who they believe has an illicit substance in their system does not take part in any AFL match and that doctor patient confidentially is upheld and respected.
The AFL will always be required to make decisions which seek to balance competing rights and interests. The medical interests and welfare of players is a priority for the AFL given everything we know about the risks facing young people generally and those who play our game in particular.
Pay attention how many times they make reference to "on field" and then try to directly correlate drug use with mental health.
It's basically saying that drug use is not relevant as long as they don't play with drugs in their system and we have to be respectful of these players because they are mentally unwell, that's why they take recreational drugs.
Piss weak and a ******* disgrace.
It's basically saying that drug use is not relevant as long as they don't play with drugs in their system and we have to be respectful of these players because they are mentally unwell, that's why they take recreational drugs.
Piss weak and a ******* disgrace.
So the AFL's illicit drug policy is to avoid players ever being suspended for the illicit drugs they've taken.
That'll be interesting when a player inevitably overdoses.
That'll be interesting when a player inevitably overdoses.
Well drug use commonly co-occurs with mental health apparently, so maybe.
I wish my GP would prescribe me an ounce of Colombian nose candy when i was feeling a little down.
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Or go to the Doc after a bender " No worries son have these valiums and skip training for a week or so and get on the mend"
They shouldn’t be testing for illicit drugs anyway. Test on game day, and leave them alone the rest of the time. If they want to to take stuff that might effect their training or recovery, so be it. I highly doubt anyone who’s actually used drugs, would feel they have any performance enhancing effects after the first 20 minutes 
They shouldn’t be testing for illicit drugs anyway. Test on game day, and leave them alone the rest of the time. If they want to to take stuff that might effect their training or recovery, so be it. I highly doubt anyone who’s actually used drugs, would feel they have any performance enhancing effects after the first 20 minutes
I think there's a duty of care to have it at least look like the AFL is being proactive in creating these wealthy, time rich young men and keeping them on the straight and narrow. Having a recreational/health drug policy is potentially how they achieve Govt funding in the first place.
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Thought this was interesting from the ex head of ASADA
So you've got to be a ******* moron to get caught on the fun stuff, basically, as it would need to be in the game day window as targeted performance enhancing drug testing. And even in that scenario it's widely accepted within clubs that if you do get on it after you've played for the weekend then you should just self report and they'll get you tested before the next game day window opens.
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Oh Willie, you're the dumbest of the all.
Oh Willie, you're the dumbest of the all.
Sadly some of that lands on us too for assuming he understood the education he had been provided around the drug testing. And at least now we have a club rep present in the room to stop any other young players implicating themselves
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It's already happened, and the son of an AFL legend no less
Hawk player 'overdosed' on GBH
The future of Hawthorn footballer Travis Tuck was last night in doubt following an overdose about midnight on Friday from the illicit drug known as GBH.
Feel bad for him. Don’t care if he dogged us.Oh Willie, you're the dumbest of the all.
Nah, he can go and get farked as far as I'm concerned.
It was a masterful piece of PR. I would be surprised if this goes much further.
All players would have a sore spot from playing/training, so if pushed, the doctors can say there were legitimate physical injuries.
Lots of this has been widely known by insiders for a very long time but people have been unable to talk about it. From AFL admin, to club admin, to football department staff and down to players as well as the AFLPA.
Then as part of their cover up to essentially work to remove any whistle blowers from the industry is also a huge issue.
Forget about singular players or staff enjoying themselves whether that be legally or illegally the real issue is that this reaches from the head governance of the sport down and it's stopping SIA/WADA from doing their job.
Now why are players doing nose beers or taking MDMA after games? In a cash rich environment it not only gives more bang for buck but negatively impacts the players recovery significantly less than a bloke drinking a half a bottle of tequila and smoking half a pack of darts. It's also much easier to hide it.
You want to cut it out go the whole hog. Test all players 2 days before game day, after the game and 2 days after game day for any illicit substances and have it all done independently outside of AFL or club control. Each test is double tested. 1 by independent testing agencies and 1 by SIA. Blood and urine tests for people with no or first and second strikes. Blood and hair follicle from then on.
Remove the AFL's bullshit current setup completely to begin starting from return to club pre-season 2024.
1st strike, 6 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to go through a fully independent drug awareness program
2nd strike, 12 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to complete 6 weeks in rehab in a facility outside of AFL and Club control.
3rd strike. Full season ban, 3 months rehab, AFL first year pay for the year all with the continuing 3 time a week drug testng.
4th strike. Deregistration and a 2 year ban with no payout, if they want to attempt to return to AFL (their choice) they continue the 3 time a week drug testing during the ban.
5th strike. Lifetime ban from all levels of football whether that be playing, administration or media.
If you get a strike, 1 strike is wiped back every 2 years.
Full SIA/WADA compliance with a minimum 2 year ban for first offenders for any drug, illicit substance or performance enchancing agent for first time offenders. 4 year ban for second time offenders. A second ban also results in an automatic 5th strike being applied by the AFL. SIA/WADA have 2 weeks to make positive results known.
All AFL executives, All football department staff as well as club CEO's and Presidents to have the same testing. 3 strike policy for these people. First strike is the same as for players. Second is equivalent of 3rd strike. Third is the equivalent of 5th strike. No windback of strike system for these people.
Every person who receives a strike is named and listed. No forced media or AFL interviews to help protect mental health.
Any player or executive who finds this too strict is welcome to walk away no questions asked. For any player that receives strikes against them, full mental health assistance is provided for at the AFL's expense for the period the strike is in effect and for 6 months after their ban ends for 1st to 4th strikes.
Any club that receives strikes to 4 or more players or football department staff during a season is considered systemic and will result in their draft positioning to where the premiers nominal draft picks would be. Any club that receives strikes to admin for Doping/PED at any time and on gameday for players for 4 or more people receive the above punishment plus removal of all premiership points that year and a 5 million dollar fine.
4th strike and above all information is passed onto state, federal police as well as all sitting members of state and federal parliaments.
No testing for anything other than random Doping/PEDs during player breaks/holidays. Players also to be left alone by media during their downtime and any media agent who posts articles via social, print or television about players partaking in what are legal drugs and activities will receive a 1 year ban for the person on a first offence. A 1 year ban for the media company on the second offence. They are allowed to report on any incidents referred to or charges filed by police only after the outcome of the investigation. Once a player or administrator has served their punishment the media faces the same bans for posting about it after their punishment ends without the express permission of the player, club and AFL.
You don't want drugs in the game, this is a 100% elimination system.
Most will consider this too harsh however this has been going on and objectively getting worse for 20+ years. If you're old enough at 18 to go to war, vote, drink and smoke then you're old enough to cop the full consequences for employment within the AFL industry.
I would apply this system to every professional sport in Australia.
Then as part of their cover up to essentially work to remove any whistle blowers from the industry is also a huge issue.
Forget about singular players or staff enjoying themselves whether that be legally or illegally the real issue is that this reaches from the head governance of the sport down and it's stopping SIA/WADA from doing their job.
Now why are players doing nose beers or taking MDMA after games? In a cash rich environment it not only gives more bang for buck but negatively impacts the players recovery significantly less than a bloke drinking a half a bottle of tequila and smoking half a pack of darts. It's also much easier to hide it.
You want to cut it out go the whole hog. Test all players 2 days before game day, after the game and 2 days after game day for any illicit substances and have it all done independently outside of AFL or club control. Each test is double tested. 1 by independent testing agencies and 1 by SIA. Blood and urine tests for people with no or first and second strikes. Blood and hair follicle from then on.
Remove the AFL's bullshit current setup completely to begin starting from return to club pre-season 2024.
1st strike, 6 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to go through a fully independent drug awareness program
2nd strike, 12 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to complete 6 weeks in rehab in a facility outside of AFL and Club control.
3rd strike. Full season ban, 3 months rehab, AFL first year pay for the year all with the continuing 3 time a week drug testng.
4th strike. Deregistration and a 2 year ban with no payout, if they want to attempt to return to AFL (their choice) they continue the 3 time a week drug testing during the ban.
5th strike. Lifetime ban from all levels of football whether that be playing, administration or media.
If you get a strike, 1 strike is wiped back every 2 years.
Full SIA/WADA compliance with a minimum 2 year ban for first offenders for any drug, illicit substance or performance enchancing agent for first time offenders. 4 year ban for second time offenders. A second ban also results in an automatic 5th strike being applied by the AFL. SIA/WADA have 2 weeks to make positive results known.
All AFL executives, All football department staff as well as club CEO's and Presidents to have the same testing. 3 strike policy for these people. First strike is the same as for players. Second is equivalent of 3rd strike. Third is the equivalent of 5th strike. No windback of strike system for these people.
Every person who receives a strike is named and listed. No forced media or AFL interviews to help protect mental health.
Any player or executive who finds this too strict is welcome to walk away no questions asked. For any player that receives strikes against them, full mental health assistance is provided for at the AFL's expense for the period the strike is in effect and for 6 months after their ban ends for 1st to 4th strikes.
Any club that receives strikes to 4 or more players or football department staff during a season is considered systemic and will result in their draft positioning to where the premiers nominal draft picks would be. Any club that receives strikes to admin for Doping/PED at any time and on gameday for players for 4 or more people receive the above punishment plus removal of all premiership points that year and a 5 million dollar fine.
4th strike and above all information is passed onto state, federal police as well as all sitting members of state and federal parliaments.
No testing for anything other than random Doping/PEDs during player breaks/holidays. Players also to be left alone by media during their downtime and any media agent who posts articles via social, print or television about players partaking in what are legal drugs and activities will receive a 1 year ban for the person on a first offence. A 1 year ban for the media company on the second offence. They are allowed to report on any incidents referred to or charges filed by police only after the outcome of the investigation. Once a player or administrator has served their punishment the media faces the same bans for posting about it after their punishment ends without the express permission of the player, club and AFL.
You don't want drugs in the game, this is a 100% elimination system.
Most will consider this too harsh however this has been going on and objectively getting worse for 20+ years. If you're old enough at 18 to go to war, vote, drink and smoke then you're old enough to cop the full consequences for employment within the AFL industry.
I would apply this system to every professional sport in Australia.
While this might seem like a harsh system, it's penalties are still more lenient than the instant dismissal that occurs for pretty much anyone in the resources industry in WA.
Afl executives and aflpa will never agree to this though.
Hmmm this certainly presents a very slippery slope.
So if club doctors are doing tests and effectively "hiding" the results for illicit substances, what is then stopping them from doing the same with banned performance-enhancing ones?...
Opening things up for a potential BALCO situation here.
All testing must be transparent and out in the open.
So if club doctors are doing tests and effectively "hiding" the results for illicit substances, what is then stopping them from doing the same with banned performance-enhancing ones?...
Opening things up for a potential BALCO situation here.
All testing must be transparent and out in the open.
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