Rumour Sloane to the saints

[Captain Morgan]

Saints wouldn't and won't. They need the young top end talent.

My bet is you will see a pick downgrade/upgrade scenario.

Something like
Saints lose: pick 5, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Saints gain: Sloane, Pick 10, Adelaide 2nd round pick

Adelaide lose: Sloane, Pick 10, second round pick
Adelaide gain: pick 5, second round pick, 3rd round pick

Maybe replace third round pick with a player that wasn't taken by the saints in the first round or considered one of our bright young talents

Thank goodness big footy posters aren't subject to the WADA code.

 

[anthc]

this is compared to many crows fans who believe the reason sloane hasn't signed yet is to see if he can more money with danger leaving…… culture?

I'd be questioning the culture of a club that repeatedly loses key players in their prime.

Davis, Bock, Tippett, Gunston...culture

Good luck with your next premiership

 

[anthc]

Saints wouldn't and won't. They need the young top end talent.

My bet is you will see a pick downgrade/upgrade scenario.

Something like
Saints lose: pick 5, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Saints gain: Sloane, Pick 10, Adelaide 2nd round pick

Adelaide lose: Sloane, Pick 10, second round pick
Adelaide gain: pick 5, second round pick, 3rd round pick

Maybe replace third round pick with a player that wasn't taken by the saints in the first round or considered one of our bright young talents

Good luck with that

 

[Strahany]

Here's some cliff notes for anyone not grasping the concept:

• Would we like to have Sloane?
• Yes.
• Do we really need Sloane?
• No.
• If he asked to come to us, would we try to facilitate the deal?
• Absolutely.
• If the deal involved a proper trade, roughly equitable to his value (top 5 pick) would we do it?
• No.
• If the deal involved getting him cheaply by threatening the PSD, would we do it?
• Almost definitely.
• If we can take him through the PSD, would we?
• No doubt, even considering the ramifications it will have on the trading relationship with Adelaide.
• Can we actually take him via the PSD?
• Yes; he nominates a ridiculous price, we pay it via a front loaded contract, and voila. Done.
• Do we think it will actually happen?
• No, but it's fun to speculate.

There's no point throwing around trade suggestions involving the likes of Dunstan, Billings, McCartin, our first pick, etc; it simply will not happen. People seem to forget that Adelaide are the party with only one option in this scenario, should Sloane nominate a particular club.

Sloane nominates "club a" and demands a trade? Adelaide can either take what is offered, or lose him to said club.
Sloane nominates "club a" but doesn't mind staying? Club a can opt to pay the asking price, or walk away; they are not obliged to do anything.

 

[Dogsman16]

Saints wouldn't and won't. They need the young top end talent.

My bet is you will see a pick downgrade/upgrade scenario.

Something like
Saints lose: pick 5, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Saints gain: Sloane, Pick 10, Adelaide 2nd round pick

Adelaide lose: Sloane, Pick 10, second round pick
Adelaide gain: pick 5, second round pick, 3rd round pick

Maybe replace third round pick with a player that wasn't taken by the saints in the first round or considered one of our bright young talents

This is quite easily the most LOLworthy trade suggestion I have seen on BF. And there have been many. Effectively you would be getting Sloane for a 5 pick downgrade in the first round.

A grader for a bag of chips. RIGHTTTTTTTTT!

 

[Defacto]

This is quite easily the most LOLworthy trade suggestion I have seen on BF. And there have been many. Effectively you would be getting Sloane for a 5 pick downgrade in the first round.

A grader for a bag of chips. RIGHTTTTTTTTT!

whats adelaides alternative if he nominates us?

 

[Dogsman16]

whats adelaides alternative if he nominates us?

Adelaide shouldn't budge and ask for a straight swap of a Top 5 pick. This bloke is an A grader and would probably pip armitage for the captaincy after Riewoldt. Adelaide aren't going to let one of their best players go for essentially a first round pick upgrade. A grade midfielders like Beams and Sloane cost a premium. Brisbane overpayed for beams throwing in pick 25 and Crisp but you could understand if Adelaide would want more for their VC than just the top 5 pick as well.

Your club could threaten the PSD bull**** all they want but I could imagine a club like the demons/carlton/suns grabbing him before you got the chance. Leaves to much to chance by leaving an A grader to rot in the PSD. St Kilda wouldn't risk a club like Melbourne pipping them (would probably mean they would overtake a couple of sides as well) so they will make the trade.

Forget the "out of contract so we can grab him for a bag of chips" claim. Being in contract means bugger all after the offseason just gone.

 

[Falchoon]

Good luck with your next premiership

someone's cut, is the trade PSD thingy happening?

 

[Defacto]

Adelaide shouldn't budge and ask for a straight swap of a Top 5 pick. This bloke is an A grader and would probably pip armitage for the captaincy after Riewoldt. Adelaide aren't going to let one of their best players go for essentially a first round pick upgrade. A grade midfielders like Beams and Sloane cost a premium. Brisbane overpayed for beams throwing in pick 25 and Crisp but you could understand if Adelaide would want more for their VC than just the top 5 pick as well.

Your club could threaten the PSD bull**** all they want but I could imagine a club like the demons/carlton/suns grabbing him before you got the chance. Leaves to much to chance by leaving an A grader to rot in the PSD. St Kilda wouldn't risk a club like Melbourne pipping them (would probably mean they would overtake a couple of sides as well) so they will make the trade.

Forget the "out of contract so we can grab him for a bag of chips" claim. Being in contract means bugger all after the offseason just gone.

"Brisbane overpayed for beams throwing in pick 25 and Crisp" then "Forget the "out of contract so we can grab him for a bag of chips" claim. Being in contract means bugger all after the offseason just gone."

you've contradicted yourself within one post. well done.

if adelaide dont budge and want pick 5 outright or more and st kilda wont give it to them, what then?

you're making the assumption another club will offer sloane 1.5m a year for 5 years, thats before you look at if they have the cap space to afford him. this is very similar to how your club got boyd. st kilda would have traded pick 1 in a heart beat for him, but they couldnt match the offer on $$$ terms

you can forget GC, do you see sloane wanting to move up north with whats currently happening there. carlton have stated they want to go down the draft path and are not interested in trading in players. melbourne are a threat but they will finish above us on the ladder, if they dont then valid point PSD is a threat then. but again they will need the cap and also the appetite to pay him 1.5m a year

 

[Dogsman16]

"Brisbane overpayed for beams throwing in pick 25 and Crisp" then "Forget the "out of contract so we can grab him for a bag of chips" claim. Being in contract means bugger all after the offseason just gone."

you've contradicted yourself within one post. well done.

if adelaide dont budge and want pick 5 outright or more and st kilda wont give it to them, what then?

you're making the assumption another club will offer sloane 1.5m a year for 5 years, thats before you look at if they have the cap space to afford him. this is very similar to how your club got boyd. st kilda would have traded pick 1 in a heart beat for him, but they couldnt match the offer on $$$ terms

you can forget GC, do you see sloane wanting to move up north with whats currently happening there. carlton have stated they want to go down the draft path and are not interested in trading in players. melbourne are a threat but they will finish above us on the ladder, if they dont then valid point PSD is a threat then. but again they will need the cap and also the appetite to pay him 1.5m a year

Brisbane did overpay for Beams by throwing in Crisp (who played some really good game for the lions and just starting to show some really good signs for them) but yes it still cost them pick 5 and 25. Sloane is worth pretty close to that mark in terms of a trade point of view (top 2 BnF finishes in the past 2 years). I'd didn't contradict myself in the slightest as pick 5 and 25 which is Beams' worth is nowhere near the bag of chips that you would personally be offering for sloane.

I think you are forgetting that Carlton are probably going to offload some their stars for a couple of first round draft picks. This in addition to the retirement of Judd will free up a huge chunk of salary cap room of which they could use on Sloane and front load the crap out of it so that in 3 - 5 years time when their first round picks are out of contract they can give them decent coin. Also picking Sloane up in the PSD which you suggested St Kilda should do (instead of offering a reasonable and fair deal) won't compromise Carlton's draft strategy in the slightest. With coin available they would be stupid not to grab him in the PSD (if they finish lower on the ladder than the saints) as it would only cost them a monetary figure and no players or draft picks whatsoever.

Ditto Melbourne, theres a reason why they will have a whole lot of salary cap to use and thats because they are at the foot of the ladder. If they have a higher pick in the PSD (which is possible) then they would use it on sloane if he hadn't already been picked up (which Adelaide won't allow if he wanted out).

Where did you come up with this 1.5m a season figure. If your happy for your club to pay him that money (whilst he is an A grade mid hes not a top ten mid), then good luck to you.

Th offer you think is acceptable is a worse offer than what Melbourne and GWS struck when Melbourne got Dom Tyson (A high draft pick but very unproven at the time). Adelaide would laugh in your face at that offer and deal with another Victorian club if that were the case.

FWIW the offers that some st kilda posters think is reasonable makes me hope that Sloane stays at Adelaide.

 

[Vintage]

One question, how does St Kilda get pick 5?

 

[Dogsman16]

One question, how does St Kilda get pick 5?

Reasonable to assume St Kilda will have a pick around 3 - 5 at seasons end.

 

[dewah07]

Reasonable to assume St Kilda will have a pick around 3 - 5 at seasons end.

lol no its not

 

[Dogsman16]

lol no its not

Where do you think your first pick will be.

 

[dewah07]

Where do you think your first pick will be.

1, worst case 2

 

[Dogsman16]

1, worst case 2

Think you might finish above Carlton, Brisbane possibly the demons. Think your young players will help you out of the bottom 2 this season.

 

[Vintage]

1, worst case 2

Yeah, there's a bit of competition around that end of the ladder this year - Brisbane, Carlton, Gold Coast (though I expect them to improve when they get a few back) and St Kilda - maybe pick 3 is about right?

 

[Defacto]

i'd suggest running the ladder predictor on the AFL site. i did it and got as at 5th last

 

[Defacto]

Brisbane did overpay for Beams by throwing in Crisp (who played some really good game for the lions and just starting to show some really good signs for them) but yes it still cost them pick 5 and 25. Sloane is worth pretty close to that mark in terms of a trade point of view (top 2 BnF finishes in the past 2 years). I'd didn't contradict myself in the slightest as pick 5 and 25 which is Beams' worth is nowhere near the bag of chips that you would personally be offering for sloane.

I think you are forgetting that Carlton are probably going to offload some their stars for a couple of first round draft picks. This in addition to the retirement of Judd will free up a huge chunk of salary cap room of which they could use on Sloane and front load the crap out of it so that in 3 - 5 years time when their first round picks are out of contract they can give them decent coin. Also picking Sloane up in the PSD which you suggested St Kilda should do (instead of offering a reasonable and fair deal) won't compromise Carlton's draft strategy in the slightest. With coin available they would be stupid not to grab him in the PSD (if they finish lower on the ladder than the saints) as it would only cost them a monetary figure and no players or draft picks whatsoever.

Ditto Melbourne, theres a reason why they will have a whole lot of salary cap to use and thats because they are at the foot of the ladder. If they have a higher pick in the PSD (which is possible) then they would use it on sloane if he hadn't already been picked up (which Adelaide won't allow if he wanted out).

Where did you come up with this 1.5m a season figure. If your happy for your club to pay him that money (whilst he is an A grade mid hes not a top ten mid), then good luck to you.

Th offer you think is acceptable is a worse offer than what Melbourne and GWS struck when Melbourne got Dom Tyson (A high draft pick but very unproven at the time). Adelaide would laugh in your face at that offer and deal with another Victorian club if that were the case.

FWIW the offers that some st kilda posters think is reasonable makes me hope that Sloane stays at Adelaide.

and there you go. 1.5m is the number been rumoured around the place. 8m over 5 years.

we'd have 3-4m free in the cap next year before we hit 95%.

so lets say the rumour is correct, do you still think another club could match that offer?

 

[dewah07]

Think you might finish above Carlton, Brisbane possibly the demons. Think your young players will help you out of the bottom 2 this season.

Yeah, there's a bit of competition around that end of the ladder this year - Brisbane, Carlton, Gold Coast (though I expect them to improve when they get a few back) and St Kilda - maybe pick 3 is about right?

brisbane have a better side to win today than us, carlton i feel will get it together with their veterans and gold coast has to much talent still.

my bottom 2 right now still is saints and the demons

 

[Dogsman16]

and there you go. 1.5m is the number been rumoured around the place. 8m over 5 years.

we'd have 3-4m free in the cap next year before we hit 95%.

so lets say the rumour is correct, do you still think another club could match that offer?

So if you don't get a player in the trade period next year you will be paying 60 - 70% of the salary cap (assuming the salary cap is around 10 - 10.5m). That doesn't seem right.

If your club is willing to pay Rory Sloane 8 million dollars over 5 seasons (almost twice as much as Brisbane pays Beams) then good luck to you. Thats around the same deal Gaz got in his first 5 year deal at the suns whom would have had a much larger salary cap at the time than all AFL clubs and Gaz was is and always will be far more proven.

Your club won't offer him 1.5m a season. He'd be lucky to get 700 - 800 and if carlton are having the firesale everybody presumes they will then yes they will have the money to offer him a similarly large contract (obviously won't be 1.5m). Thats just ridiculous.

 

[dewah07]

So if you don't get a player in the trade period next year you will be paying 60 - 70% of the salary cap (assuming the salary cap is around 10 - 10.5m). That doesn't seem right.

If your club is willing to pay Rory Sloane 8 million dollars over 5 seasons (almost twice as much as Brisbane pays Beams) then good luck to you. Thats around the same deal Gaz got in his first 5 year deal at the suns whom would have had a much larger salary cap at the time than all AFL clubs and Gaz was is and always will be far more proven.

Your club won't offer him 1.5m a season. He'd be lucky to get 700 - 800 and if carlton are having the firesale everybody presumes they will then yes they will have the money to offer him a similarly large contract (obviously won't be 1.5m). Thats just ridiculous.

we have roughly 1.1-1.2million ATM through only paying 95% of the cap in our war chest.

and thats after we resigned 19 under 22's last year

 

[Dogsman16]

we have roughly 1.1-1.2million ATM through only paying 95% of the cap in our war chest.

and thats after we resigned 19 under 22's last year

1.1 - 1.2m (which seems about right) is a long number shy of what you other poster suggested though (3 - 4m).

Who also suggested that it was rumoured your club was offering 1.5 mil a season. Where did these figures suggested come from.

 

[dewah07]

1.1 - 1.2m (which seems about right) is a long number shy of what you other poster suggested though (3 - 4m).

Who also suggested that it was rumoured your club was offering 1.5 mil a season. Where did these figures he suggested come from.

u go to the AFL CBA and work out 95% of what the cap is.

its worth noting tho that no other club would have the amount of war chest money the saints have. (it would have been the dogs but boyd ruined that).

 

[Dogsman16]

u go to the AFL CBA and work out 95% of what the cap is.

its worth noting tho that no other club would have the amount of war chest money the saints have. (it would have been the dogs but boyd ruined that).

9.51m is 95% of the 2015 salary cap. I'm asking where did the other saints poster who was here find the 3 - 4m free salary cap space number from. No club would be spending 60 - 70% of the cap.