The concerning rise of aspirational economic leachers must be stopped

[Kwality]

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Status earned is vastly different to status due to position, think Kevin Rudd, he earned it prior to taking the PM job - lost it again when he was exposed.
Got to say I've rarely come across the status seekers suggested. Sadly in this context, politics is full of them, talkers noit doers.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Status earned is vastly different to status due to position, think Kevin Rudd, he earned it prior to taking the PM job - lost it again when he was exposed.
Got to say I've rarely come across the status seekers suggested. Sadly in this context, politics is full of them, talkers noit doers.

I've come across plenty.

Seeking a handout as a first port of call rather than trying 1, 2, 3 or 4 times at making a decent living from self-sacrifice and working hard.

I have no doubt that nearly all career politicians are leechers.

 

[Subutai]

And pass the vast fortune on to the masses? Can you really not see the problem with this?

They will attack us with drones and robot armies?

 

[Kwality]

I've come across plenty.

Seeking a handout as a first port of call rather than trying 1, 2, 3 or 4 times at making a decent living from self-sacrifice and working hard.

I have no doubt that nearly all career politicians are leechers.

I'd a add the career union officials to that, but not those who came up from the factory floor.

 

[Whit3y]

Anyway you look at (unless you are a shareholder perhaps ), the Poms have kicked a goal here - get on the phone Moro !!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-24/google-agrees-to-pay-back-taxes-to-britain/7110044

Google said the 130 million pounds would settle a probe by the British tax authority, which had challenged the company's low tax returns for the years since 2005.

It said it had also agreed a basis on which tax in the future would be calculated.

will our gov do the same?

multinationals that pay sfa tax are the stain on the underpants of society

 

[Kwality]

will our gov do the same?

multinationals that pay sfa tax are the stain on the underpants of society

Interesting that GST might be the most effective tax in this situation - nothing can excuse the failed legislation that allows the multi national lawyers to act within the legal framework to achieve $nil tax.

 

[Kwality]

Interesting that GST might be the most effective tax in this situation - nothing can excuse the failed legislation that allows the multi national lawyers to act within the legal framework to achieve $nil tax.

But Mrs Shortens young Billy can fix it - didn't when in Govt - why are voters cynical?

 

[Gough]

http://www.theguardian.com/business...y-asks-for-taxpayer-support-to-keep-coal-jobs

Queensland’s resources industry has called on the state and federal governments for help to save thousands of jobs, with a new report finding that a third of the coalmines in the state are running at a loss.

When you're selling energy's version of betamax, no bloody surprise you can't turn a buck. These mines should go the same way as our car industry.

 

[Rotayjay]

Like in many areas of personal life, public life and society, balance is needed. There will always be landlords and renters, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, when the average house price in a city reaches a million dollars (Sydney), something is out of balance. We should aspire to a society where everyone who is willing to work hard can achieve success and security, and the most vulnerable people get help when they genuinely need it. We should not aspire to a society where a third of hard-working people can afford two or more properties, whilst two thirds of hard-working people cannot afford one.

 

[Power Raid]

Like in many areas of personal life, public life and society, balance is needed. There will always be landlords and renters, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, when the average house price in a city reaches a million dollars (Sydney), something is out of balance. We should aspire to a society where everyone who is willing to work hard can achieve success and security, and the most vulnerable people get help when they genuinely need it. We should not aspire to a society where a third of hard-working people can afford two or more properties, whilst two thirds of hard-working people cannot afford one.

perhaps we should stop pork barreling our major cities and develop our smaller townships around the nation.

 

[Rotayjay]

perhaps we should stop pork barreling our major cities and develop our smaller townships around the nation.

Exactly. Speaking about balance, something is out of balance when the largest city in a state (Adelaide) is roughly one hundred times larger than the second-largest (Mount Gambier).

 

[madmug]

Exactly. Speaking about balance, something is out of balance when the largest city in a state (Adelaide) is roughly one hundred times larger than the second-largest (Mount Gambier).

Its hard to legislate against cities. That tends to be where the modern industries are centred. Information technologies & service industries for example. Cities are generally more efficient at providing most modern services.

Here in Tassie we have a fairly spread out population of 520k. Hobart at 220, thats 43%. The southern area has some 50% of the states population. It has one major tertiary level public hospital.

The north has some 25% of the states population, centred around Launceston, it too has one Major hospital, but 1/2 the population.

A bigger problem is providing services in areas like the North west Coast which is an area of small towns & again represents most of the other 25% of the states population. Each town wants its own Hospital & other services etc etc. But it cant sustain the one major hospital & satellite facilities it has, without a huge subsidy. It is very costly & inefficient. So what is the answer?

I know their are other issues with city growth. But most service provision is better with a larger population. The NWC is a pretty coastal rural area, but service provision & jobs growth are a real problem.

So population Geographical spread presents its own set of problems.

 

[Power Raid]

Its hard to legislate against cities. That tends to be where the modern industries are centred. Information technologies & service industries for example. Cities are generally more efficient at providing most modern services.

Here in Tassie we have a fairly spread out population of 520k. Hobart at 220, thats 43%. The southern area has some 50% of the states population. It has one major tertiary level public hospital.

The north has some 25% of the states population, centred around Launceston, it too has one Major hospital, but 1/2 the population.

A bigger problem is providing services in areas like the North west Coast which is an area of small towns & again represents most of the other 25% of the states population. Each town wants its own Hospital & other services etc etc. But it cant sustain the one major hospital & satellite facilities it has, without a huge subsidy. It is very costly & inefficient. So what is the answer?

I know their are other issues with city growth. But most service provision is better with a larger population. The NWC is a pretty coastal rural area, but service provision & jobs growth are a real problem.

So population Geographical spread presents its own set of problems.

yep, perhaps focus on developing a couple of places around Australia at a time. Start with cities with 100k plus and pork barrel those for a decade with tax incentives and infrastructure (as required), along with unique immigration policies, for a three or four decades.

it won't be easy but certainly better, in the long run, than building ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne


creating one city by merging busselton and bunbury by increasing the overall population is one example that would make sense

 

[medusala]

When you're selling energy's version of betamax, no bloody surprise you can't turn a buck. These mines should go the same way as our car industry.

Coal and oil prices go up and down, that is what happens in a market. If the mines go broke, so what? Someone buys them for stuff all and then turns a buck. That's how it should be.

As opposed to taxpayers getting utterly bent over for subsidising renewables that will make ZERO difference to world temperatures.

Its a pretty grubby position to take, fleece your fellow Australians via higher prices and taxes just to give yourself a smug sense of moral superiority.

 

[Power Raid]

And the lulz keep coming. Coal and oil prices go up and down, that is what happens in a market. If the mines go broke, so what? Someone buys them for stuff all and then turns a buck. That's how it should be.

As opposed to taxpayers getting utterly bent over for subsidising renewables that will make ZERO difference to world temperatures.

Its a pretty grubby position to take, fleece your fellow Australians via higher prices and taxes just to give yourself a smug sense of moral superiority.

moral superiority, daddy issues or both?

 

[medusala]

moral superiority, daddy issues or both?

Who knows. Half of bigfooty is living in a Bob Brown parallel universe where the money tree exists and gay marriage and illegal immigrants are somehow more important than the living standards of fellow citizens.

How they come to that conclusion I don't know. Perhaps they even turn up to their Arts lectures.

 

[CM86]

How they come to that conclusion I don't know. Perhaps they even turn up to their Arts lectures.

 

[medusala]

Comparing Literae Humaniores at Oxford to an Arts degree in Australia

Hopeless fail even by your subzero standards. Actually I take that back, he was a great horse. Paltry or non existent

 

[CM86]

Comparing Literae Humaniores at Oxford to an Arts degree in Australia

Hopeless fail even by your subzero standards. Actually I take that back, he was a great horse. Paltry or non existent

I didn't compare anything to anything...

You had a go at Art degrees... that's what he has.

Maybe be more specific? Do you think he is uneducated because of his art degree?
I think he seems very clever.

 

[Mofra]

yep, perhaps focus on developing a couple of places around Australia at a time. Start with cities with 100k plus and pork barrel those for a decade with tax incentives and infrastructure (as required), along with unique immigration policies, for a three or four decades.

Some Vic governments have tried by shifting state gov centres to regional hubs (ie WorkSafe to Geelong).
There was a push for more departments to be based out of Ballarat which is one plan that could work, even if it is only 1 hr away from Melbourne by V Line.

Of course as soon as you so that The Australian will be running editorials on governments not taking the absolute cheapest centralized option.

 

[Power Raid]

Some Vic governments have tried by shifting state gov centres to regional hubs (ie WorkSafe to Geelong).
There was a push for more departments to be based out of Ballarat which is one plan that could work, even if it is only 1 hr away from Melbourne by V Line.

Of course as soon as you so that The Australian will be running editorials on governments not taking the absolute cheapest centralized option.

decentralisation is an excellent step of growing places.

 

[kickazz]

decentralisation is an excellent step of growing places.

Agreed. It might seem less efficient in the short term, but when you factor in the wasted time commuting etc it makes sense.

The USA is a great example. Sure, it has quite a few huge cities, but it is littered with a myriad of cities with populations between 100K and 1M that many of us have never heard of.

 

[madmug]

yep, perhaps focus on developing a couple of places around Australia at a time. Start with cities with 100k plus and pork barrel those for a decade with tax incentives and infrastructure (as required), along with unique immigration policies, for a three or four decades.

it won't be easy but certainly better, in the long run, than building ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne


creating one city by merging busselton and bunbury by increasing the overall population is one example that would make sense

Well Whitlam wanted to help develop regional ares back in the day. Albury-Wodonga was cited as a developing hub. Fraser & the LNP soon put the kybosh on that. Hawk & Keating had another go at it but the effort was eventually killed off again by Abbott.

Its that sort of short sightedness we get from most pollies & Guments, especially from the adults on the right side of the political spectrum. They would rather destroy a good idea than let the opposition side look good. Yet another problem with our broken & corrupt party system.

 

[Power Raid]

Well Whitlam wanted to help develop regional ares back in the day. Albury-Wodonga was cited as a developing hub. Fraser & the LNP soon put the kybosh on that. Hawk & Keating had another go at it but the effort was eventually killed off again by Abbott.

Its that sort of short sightedness we get from most pollies & Guments, especially from the adults on the right side of the political spectrum. They would rather destroy a good idea than let the opposition side look good. Yet another problem with our broken & corrupt party system.

you have to question whether certain areas of government have to be demarcated from the executive and democracy