Society/Culture Is antisemitism on the rise?

[FireKrakouer]

Nazi/KKK type hate groups, along with anti-semitic groups of other races, have been around for a long time in varying numbers. They've never completely gone away, but for a while there it seemed that they at least weren't out and about in the open.

Patriot Front - Wikipedia

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Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia

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Adidas cuts ties with rapper Kanye West over anti-Semitism

The fashion giant said it does "not tolerate antisemitism" after the rapper's recent remarks.

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I'm hoping the this won't be another simple "red team good, blue team bad" type thread (oh who am I kidding), and that we can discuss whether or not hatred towards the Jewish community is increasing, and what the cause of it could be.

The conspiracy theorist within me believes that it could be another campaign of division pushed by Putin money or another state actor.

Listening to Kanye on the Lex Fridman podcast (haven't heard it all), it sounds like he has been mistreated by a few powerful people who happen to be Jewish. That he has now chosen to generalise a group of millions of people because of that is illogical, and I think his mental health has really suffered since separating from Kim Kardashian and he had to focus that bitterness somewhere.




Anyway discuss, my beautiful friends.

 

[Lethality]

Black Israelites have always been loud and proud antisemites.

But overall, yeah the bigots have really come out of the woodwork since Trump gave tacit support to hate groups.

 

[Malifice]

Nowadays you have two types of mainstream antisemites.

1. Conspiracy nuts (every single conspiracy boils down to 'the Jews did it' including Qanon, Climate denialism, Deep State, 9/11, Anti-vaxx, Sov-Cits etc), and
2. Neo-Nazis/ Far Right wingers (and I lump fundamentalist Salafi Jihadis and their ilk in the latter group).

Both groups parrot on about a 'cabal of international banking families, globalists and Hollywood Elites (and George Soros), aligned with Socialists and the Left, who run the world and are attempting to erode white culture/ the white race (Islam for the Fundie types) and impose Socialism on us via a program of Cultural Marxism/ Judeo Bolshevism'.

The former group (conspiracists) often don't realize that these 'financiers, bankers and Hollywood elites' are Nazi code for 'the Jews' and that all they're doing is regurgitating antisemitic conspiracies that have been around for centuries.

Many of them are genuinely ignorant of this fact. Many are not.

The latter group (Neo Nazis, Far right wingers, and Islamists), usually know exactly who these 'bankers, financiers and Hollywood elites' are, and in many cases are not afraid to say so directly (unless recruiting online, they like to let their audience 'connect the dots' on their own).

This exact conspiracy above is of course precisely what Hitler thought was 'really going on' and why he hated Jewish people so much. Hitler viewed the world, and human experience through the lens of a 'clash of the cultures/ races' with Jewish people being the secret puppet masters, dividing Europe (and the World) and behind every plot and misfortune of the German people.

He asserted (the long running conspiracy) that powerful Jewish Banking families (who European nobility had relied on for a millennium, when Christian banking wasn't a thing) were the real creators of both Capitalism (why they were so wealthy) and also Socialism/ Communism (Marx and Lenin were both ethnically Jewish). Jewish people controlled the USA and Europe (via Liberal Capitalsim and Banking) and also were behind the Communist uprising and controlled Russia.

He further asserted that Jewish people were also trying to 'replace the white race in Europe' via migration and racial admixture and were using 'Cultural Marxism' to push a 'leftist agenda, and degenerate art and culture' on the White Aryan race. They caused Germanies defeat in WW1 via the 'Stab in the back' conspiracy theory and were behind every misfortune and weakening of Germany and its culture in its history.

Finally, he believed in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' which discussed a 'Secret cabal of wealthy Jewish people, who bred Satanic bloodlines, and practiced blood libel' - the ritual murder and cannibalization of children; clear echoes of which can be seen in the modern Qanon conspiracy theory.

If you do any research into Hitler, what he thought about Jewish people, and why he hated them so much, you'll see the exact same things he thought being echoed by people - nearly word for word - in modern day Conspiracy theories, and Right-Wing forums online everywhere.

It doesnt help when the above conspiracies are made mainstream by people like Tucker Carlson (white replacement) Donald Trump (Qanon) and other Social media grifters

This is why conspiracists (regardless of prior political leanings, before becoming totally cooked) are all leaping over to MAGA s**t and Far Right-wing nonsense, and why Neo Nazis are so keen to lurk on Internet Social Media sites, and at anti Lockdown rallies and the like (they're there to recruit them).

Incels are particularly vulnerable to the above nonsense and are equally easily radicalized to mass murder. New Age types are vulnerable as well (although their radicalization generally just leads to social isolation and generally just spamming stupid memes all over social media).

Both groups are also too ******* stupid to realize this exact line of bullshit conspiracy thinking has been done before, it's not true, and that any time your argument begins or ends with 'Hitler was right' you lose the ******* argument.

 

[Mofra]

Yes, and the GOP have been courting them in recent times:

(Refers to the Holocaust, "6 Million Wasn't Enough")

 

[spinynorman]

Awkward for those who’ve been tacitly endorsing Nazism to now have someone explicitly supporting Nazism in their flock.

 

[Jafa]

Well this thread hasn't turned out well.

Didn't take long for the usuals to chip in about the GOP.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Awkward for those who’ve been tacitly endorsing Nazism to now have someone explicitly supporting Nazism in their flock.

The guy is cooked. I hope he gets some help and doesn't hurt anyone in the near future because he seems to be on a murder-suicide type path.

 

[Malifice]

Awkward for those who’ve been tacitly endorsing Nazism to now have someone explicitly supporting Nazism in their flock.

That awkward laugh by Jones... 'Well... I have to disagree with that...'

 

[owen87]

That awkward laugh by Jones... 'Well... I have to disagree with that...'

When even Alex Jones is disagreeing with you then you know you've gone too far

 

[Coolangatta]

Nowadays you have two types of mainstream antisemites.

1. Conspiracy nuts (every single conspiracy boils down to 'the Jews did it' including Qanon, Climate denialism, Deep State, 9/11, Anti-vaxx, Sov-Cits etc), and
2. Neo-Nazis/ Far Right wingers (and I lump fundamentalist Salafi Jihadis and their ilk in the latter group).

Both groups parrot on about a 'cabal of international banking families, globalists and Hollywood Elites (and George Soros), aligned with Socialists and the Left, who run the world and are attempting to erode white culture/ the white race (Islam for the Fundie types) and impose Socialism on us via a program of Cultural Marxism/ Judeo Bolshevism'.

The former group (conspiracists) often don't realize that these 'financiers, bankers and Hollywood elites' are Nazi code for 'the Jews' and that all they're doing is regurgitating antisemitic conspiracies that have been around for centuries.

Many of them are genuinely ignorant of this fact. Many are not.

The latter group (Neo Nazis, Far right wingers, and Islamists), usually know exactly who these 'bankers, financiers and Hollywood elites' are, and in many cases are not afraid to say so directly (unless recruiting online, they like to let their audience 'connect the dots' on their own).

This exact conspiracy above is of course precisely what Hitler thought was 'really going on' and why he hated Jewish people so much. Hitler viewed the world, and human experience through the lens of a 'clash of the cultures/ races' with Jewish people being the secret puppet masters, dividing Europe (and the World) and behind every plot and misfortune of the German people.

He asserted (the long running conspiracy) that powerful Jewish Banking families (who European nobility had relied on for a millennium, when Christian banking wasn't a thing) were the real creators of both Capitalism (why they were so wealthy) and also Socialism/ Communism (Marx and Lenin were both ethnically Jewish). Jewish people controlled the USA and Europe (via Liberal Capitalsim and Banking) and also were behind the Communist uprising and controlled Russia.

He further asserted that Jewish people were also trying to 'replace the white race in Europe' via migration and racial admixture and were using 'Cultural Marxism' to push a 'leftist agenda, and degenerate art and culture' on the White Aryan race. They caused Germanies defeat in WW1 via the 'Stab in the back' conspiracy theory and were behind every misfortune and weakening of Germany and its culture in its history.

Finally, he believed in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' which discussed a 'Secret cabal of wealthy Jewish people, who bred Satanic bloodlines, and practiced blood libel' - the ritual murder and cannibalization of children; clear echoes of which can be seen in the modern Qanon conspiracy theory.

If you do any research into Hitler, what he thought about Jewish people, and why he hated them so much, you'll see the exact same things he thought being echoed by people - nearly word for word - in modern day Conspiracy theories, and Right-Wing forums online everywhere.

It doesnt help when the above conspiracies are made mainstream by people like Tucker Carlson (white replacement) Donald Trump (Qanon) and other Social media grifters

This is why conspiracists (regardless of prior political leanings, before becoming totally cooked) are all leaping over to MAGA s**t and Far Right-wing nonsense, and why Neo Nazis are so keen to lurk on Internet Social Media sites, and at anti Lockdown rallies and the like (they're there to recruit them).

Incels are particularly vulnerable to the above nonsense and are equally easily radicalized to mass murder. New Age types are vulnerable as well (although their radicalization generally just leads to social isolation and generally just spamming stupid memes all over social media).

Both groups are also too ******* stupid to realize this exact line of bullshit conspiracy thinking has been done before, it's not true, and that any time your argument begins or ends with 'Hitler was right' you lose the ******* argument.

Brilliantly said.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I'm hoping the this won't be another simple "red team good, blue team bad" type thread (oh who am I kidding), and that we can discuss whether or not hatred towards the Jewish community is increasing, and what the cause of it could be.
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Cmon dude. More than a handful of posters on here pointed out Trump opened the Pandora’s box. Literal nazis loved him. We were saying this.

Corporate capitalism is terminal. The GOP can’t appeal to tax cuts, or rising tides lifting all boars or any of that s**t. Even patriotism that’s isn’t tied to white racial superiority.

They’re a party that can only appeal to racism, misogyny and bigotry. The right has always been conspiratorial. Bigotry and conspiracy has combined into a perfect storm. Q, ‘globalists’, white genocide. All leads back to Jews.

The GOP tried to ride this on Trump but it’s out now and they can’t control it.

Islamists have always been ****ed and will continue to be ****ed.

In the west , this appears a uniquely American problem. Their inherent racism, conspiracy obsession and collapsing society lends itself to anti semitism. I don’t see it in the west aside from small pockets of islamists.

I don’t see it in Aus aside from the typical right wing meme lords.


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[Scallop Industry Thug]

Didn't take long for the usuals to chip in about the GOP.

I wonder why.





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[Blue1980]

Didn't take long for the usuals to chip in about the GOP.

Can't really seperate them. I mean Trump had dinner with 2 anti-semites last week. Unless we don't consider Trump GOP?

 

[Malifice]

Can't really seperate them. I mean Trump had dinner with 2 anti-semites last week. Unless we don't consider Trump GOP?

He's also universally loved by David Duke, and the 'many fine people' over at Stormfront.

Until this happened when they freaked out a bit:

Now you've got this hilarious disconnect between his Neo-Nazis supporters, and his supporters that have drank the Kremlin Kool Aid and are voicing support for Putin 'because he's fighting the Nazis'.

Pete Evans went full 'Hitler was a great guy' years ago. Many of my kooky New Age/ Hippy/ Crystal types are full Nazi as well.

Was only a matter of time before a Black man went full Hitler as well.

Social media has a lot to answer for. Cooking people into full blown Nazism and Hitler worship.

 

[Seeds]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again. The liberal left made nazism ideology as outrageous as pedophilia by completely rejecting the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science. but the woke left unknowingly has gone about undoing what the liberal left achieved here.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again. The liberal left made nazism ideology as outrageous as pedophilia by completely rejecting the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science. but the woke left unknowingly has gone about undoing what the liberal left achieved here.

Seeds wins todays game of ‘use the term woke whenever you don’t understand something’.


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[Malifice]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

Opposing Israels actions in Palestine isnt Antisemitic.

Neither is criticism of Israel generally.

 

[Blue1980]

He's also universally loved by David Duke, and the 'many fine people' over at Stormfront.

Until this happened when they freaked out a bit:

Now you've got this hilarious disconnect between his Neo-Nazis supporters, and his supporters that have drank the Kremlin Kool Aid and are voicing support for Putin 'because he's fighting the Nazis'.

Pete Evans went full 'Hitler was a great guy' years ago. Many of my kooky New Age/ Hippy/ Crystal types are full Nazi as well.

Was only a matter of time before a Black man went full Hitler as well.

Social media has a lot to answer for. Cooking people into full blown Nazism and Hitler worship.

It’s almost like Trump has no ideology and stringing these useful idiots along for the ride……

But yes Trump helped give the antisemitism a voice again, simply because he saw a group of people who would love him for it.

Overall, I think that and some other nationalism in Europe being promoted has helped promote the antisemitism (so from trump/brexit times in 2016).

Hopefully more and more see this nationalistic, isolationist BS for what it is, a divisive dead end.

 

[Malifice]

Trump helped give the antisemitism a voice again, simply because he saw a group of people who would love him for it.

Overall, I think that and some other nationalism in Europe being promoted has helped promote the antisemitism (so from trump/brexit times in 2016).

Hopefully more and more see this nationalistic, isolationist BS for what it is, a divisive dead end.

Nek Minute:

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

- D. Trump, 5/12/2022

The campaigner is literally threatening to go full Reichstag Fire Decree. The Seppo's are hurtling towards fascism, and half of them either don't realize it or are cheering it on.

 

[the_interloper]

Seeds wins todays game of ‘use the term woke whenever you don’t understand something’.


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The old "label something so you don't need to actually argue a proper point"

 

[owen87]

Nek Minute:

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

- D. Trump, 5/12/2022

The campaigner is literally threatening to go full Reichstag Fire Decree. The Seppo's are hurtling towards fascism, and half of them either don't realize it or are cheering it on.

In a Trump v Constitution argument who do they support?

Many of them love their right to bear arms, but if Trump says the Constitution can simply be terminated, so can that right... tricky one.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Black Israelites have always been loud and proud antisemites.

But overall, yeah the bigots have really come out of the woodwork since Trump gave tacit support to hate groups.

So they hate themselves ?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again. The liberal left made nazism ideology as outrageous as pedophilia by completely rejecting the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science. but the woke left unknowingly has gone about undoing what the liberal left achieved here.

Some Orthodox Jewish groups are anti Zionist too

 

[Seeds]

Seeds wins todays game of ‘use the term woke whenever you don’t understand something’.


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And what dont i understand?

your post appears to be a deflection post born out of cognitive dissonance.

but i could be wrong. please tell me what i dont understand?

 

[Lethality]

So they hate themselves ?

They're a black group that claims that black people are the real Jews.