Chol and Lewis both have physical presence. They will be a handful for a lot of backs. The third tall, whether it be Gunston, DGB, or Ramsden will be the beneficiary and there should be plenty of crumbing opportunities for the small forwards.
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For the first time in a while opposition defences have some questions to answer. How do we organise our back structure so one of two 2m marking forwards isn’t vs a running back. Chol is a handful, with Mitch we have formidable marking power.
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Possible. I remember Archer did this very well vs N.Holland, but he wasn't so quick off the mark.
Doubt it would work so well vs Chol.
1. You're giving up the lead
2. He's very strong and can push back, unless you get under his hips for the high ball.
3. There's no way you'll reach the ball over his shoulder, around his back, or get above him when he leaps, so at worst crumbers gonna love it.
Chol will do as well as Chol wants to IMO.
Few defenders can match him if he becomes the focused and motivated player we need him to be.
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Shhhh. North Melbourne use bigfooty to get around paying for tactical coaches.
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I'm surprised its so low.
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Surprised it wasn’t front loaded as well.
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Footy journalists don’t know shit about what players are getting paid.
Being that they like to pretend to breach privacy laws for shits and gigs maybe it’s time to start letting players tweet out what journos earn from peddling gossip.
Being that they like to pretend to breach privacy laws for shits and gigs maybe it’s time to start letting players tweet out what journos earn from peddling gossip.
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450K per season is peanuts for a kpf who kicks +40 goals a season.
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I can’t figure out if he looks lazy or he actually is.
In his highlights he does a fantastic little lead back at the kicker at one point and it looks so laconic and lazy but his defender was in all sorts cause of it
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laconic is different to lazy, but i guess we will get to know quite well next season.
I trust the judgement of MM and SM.
I trust the judgement of MM and SM.
Yes, they have had some pretty good picks so far. I hope Sam and the coaches can turn his vast talent into consistent high level performance. Like a famous ex hawk, he's a big man with the speed and agility of a little bloke, could be anything if they find the switch.
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Putting aside that I think it's a fine salary to pay Chol, particularly considering the AFL average is probably going to be near enough $400k with the TPP increases... Chol doesn't kick 40+ a season. He's done it once, 2 years ago. Averaged out he kicks just over 10 a season.
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Using that average is just as misleading.
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It's not at all misleading.
It reflects that he's had one 40 goal season in 6 seasons, which isn't the same as 40 goals a season.
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In terms of averages/performances for Chol, I'd prefer to look at his last two or three seasons given he's a KPP, and thus the first few seasons are generally rough on them.
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Yes, averaging over 6 seasons when a lot played at VFL not AFL is nonsense.
Agreed Tony. Goals per game matter along with the other role that Chol plays in the team (relief ruck). There will not be a need to play 2 ruckmen meaning a spot is freed up for a utility (e.g. Weddle) to link up around the ground.
Chol is important not just for the goals he kicks but also for the balance of the team and the goals that creates.
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Great. So a 40 goal a year forward is being played at VFL level? How does that not prove my point?
Having one 40 goal season is not the same as being a 40+ goal a season forward. He hasn't had another season above 10 goals.
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You're not wrong, you're just being a Debbie Downer
Chol FF, Lewis finally able to play his prime position of CHF
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That sums up this user
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Yeah, I'm a real debbie downer.
I'm being realistic about what we've got. He's a serviceable key forward who suits our structure a lot better than Kosi did, and we're paying him a bit above the league average to be that. Expecting him to be a 40 goal a year forward because he did it 2 years ago is unrealistic, I'm just trying to frame expectation so that this board doesn't go through another 4 year period of constant pissing and moaning about a player not meeting their expectations like we did with Wingard and O'Meara.
At least if we do the long bomb, i'd be expecting a contest rather than him being outmarked.
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The highlight package shows two different styles of play. For Richmond a typical big forward's game, but for the suns, much more of a crumbing mid size player's goals (apart from the last one). So, has the way he has been coached part of the perception of his abilities?
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