Why boycotting Israel matters

[pugsville]

Whilst historically correct, be under no illusions, Israel would not exist if they didn't make a pre-emptive attack. There was no room in the equation for waiting and not taking initiative, Israel faced a dire and existential threat and acted.

Rubbish Nasser had no intention attacking. The israeli leadership is on the record that their was nor real Egyptian threat and that they chose war, and that in any event they were sure of victory even if the Egyptians attacked first, which the Egyptians were not prepared to do.

 

[pugsville]

Why do the left always love arseholes like nasser. Why did Egypt put troops into the sinai, demand the un force to get out and blockade Israels port. Nasser even apparently beleived the blockade would cause an israeli attack.

I'm not sticking up for Nasser but historical accuracy. Egypt actions were because Israel was threatening to Invade Syria.

 

[Bert Man]

Rubbish Nasser had no intention attacking. The israeli leadership is on the record that their was nor real Egyptian threat and that they chose war, and that in any event they were sure of victory even if the Egyptians attacked first, which the Egyptians were not prepared to do.

And yet he still broke the treaty in no unequivocal fashion. Egypt, Syria and Jordan were all prepared to attack. It's no secret they loath Israel and would have taken it off the map without any qualms. Self preservation doesn't allow Israel to have the luxury to stand down when such a treaty is broken, it creates very dangerous precedents they simply cannot stand for.

It's a very simple equation, if Israel demonstrate weakness they lay themselves exposed to being wiped off the map

 

[Procrastinator35]

And yet he still broke the treaty in no unequivocal fashion. Egypt, Syria and Jordan were all prepared to attack. It's no secret they loath Israel and would have taken it off the map without any qualms. Self preservation doesn't allow Israel to have the luxury to stand down when such a treaty is broken, it creates very dangerous precedents they simply cannot stand for.

It's a very simple equation, if Israel demonstrate weakness they lay themselves exposed to being wiped off the map

Given they're the only one's in the region with nukes....300 to be exact....Not to mention the U.S/NATO alliance at their beck n call whenever they need it.....Then that's a ******* ridiculous statement & you should ******* well know it.

 

[Bert Man]

Given they're the only one's in the region with nukes....300 to be exact....Not to mention the U.S/NATO alliance at their beck n call whenever they need it.....Then that's a ******* ridiculous statement & you should ******* well know it.

1967 is a long time ago and Israel did not have such an arsenal, and even if they did, they won a war against states pushing genocidal agendas, far from a terrible thing.


And I do agree with you, Israel are not threatened by these states who have issues of far greater importance. Today, vehement anti semitism and anti Zionism in the media and university campus' is Israel's greatest threat, exactly what you continue to exhibit in an extreme manner.

 

[pugsville]

And yet he still broke the treaty in no unequivocal fashion. Egypt, Syria and Jordan were all prepared to attack. It's no secret they loath Israel and would have taken it off the map without any qualms. Self preservation doesn't allow Israel to have the luxury to stand down when such a treaty is broken, it creates very dangerous precedents they simply cannot stand for.

It's a very simple equation, if Israel demonstrate weakness they lay themselves exposed to being wiped off the map

Just Rubbish completely wrong. There was no internet to attack Israel. It was Israel that attacked Egypt.

Just what exact treaty did Nasser break?

 

[Procrastinator35]

And I do agree with you, Israel are not threatened by these states who have issues of far greater importance. Today, vehement anti semitism and anti Zionism in the media and university campus' is Israel's greatest threat, exactly what you continue to exhibit in an extreme manner.

They bring it upon themselves with their apartheid treatment of the Palestinians....Including killing them in the streets of Jerusalem, right now ,as we speak.

It's not enough that they had their pals destroy all the strong secular Arab Democracies that surround them....Such is the insanity & degree of paranoia that feeds their power complex.

And as for Anti-Zionism in the Western MSM.....You've got to be ******* joking, given they have a freaking monopoly of ownership of it FFS!...Which includes a 16 year campaign of Demonizing Islam in the media in order to legitimize & sanction their despicable inhumane behavior.

 

[Total Power]

It's not enough that they had their pals destroy all the strong secular Arab Democracies that surround them....Such is the insanity & degree of paranoia that feeds their power complex.

Yes cause Syrian revolution was started by US and the C.I.A , it's never their own fault, it's always someone else's

 

[Total Power]

Access to Jordan's only seaport of Aqaba and Israel's only Red Sea port of Eilat was (and is) through the Gulf of Aqaba which give the 13 km wide Straits of Tiran strategic importance. In 1967, ninety percent of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran, making it a target of Egyptian blockade during the Arab League boycott of Israel. It also limited Israeli access to Africa and Asia. In a 2004 interview by author Avi Shlaim with Sami Sharaf, Egyptian Minister of State for Presidential Affairs in 1967, Sharaf stated that Nasser knew that the decision to block the Tiran Straits in 1967 made war "inevitable". Despite expressing publicy to U Thant, Secretary-General of the United Nations on 24th May 1967 who had gone to Cairo to help negotiate an agreement to avoid conflict, that the Staits were not important to Israel, Nasser had apparently expressed privately two days before hand that closing the straits would make war 100% likely. In a speech on 23rd July 1967, Nasser subsequently claimed that he had said on the 22nd May that closing the straits would have made war between Egypt and Israel 50-80% likely.

During May and June the Israeli government had also worked to keep Jordan out of any war with Egypt; it was concerned about being attacked on multiple fronts. Jordan's control of the West Bank put Arab forces just 17 kilometers from Israel's coast, a jump-off point from which a well-coordinated tank assault would likely cut Israel in two within half an hour. However on May 30 1967, Jordan signed a mutual defense treaty with Egypt, thereby joining the military alliance already in place between Egypt and Syria. Nasser said on the same day that any differences between him and the King of Jordan were erased "in one moment". This was after he had earlier declared: "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

This is the best explanation that i have seen so far.

 

[Bert Man]

They bring it upon themselves with their apartheid treatment of the Palestinians....Including killing them in the streets of Jerusalem, right now ,as we speak.

It's not enough that they had their pals destroy all the strong secular Arab Democracies that surround them....Such is the insanity & degree of paranoia that feeds their power complex.

And as for Anti-Zionism in the Western MSM.....You've got to be ******* joking, given they have a freaking monopoly of ownership of it FFS!...Which includes a 16 year campaign of Demonizing Islam in the media in order to legitimize & sanction their despicable inhumane behavior.

You are aware an Israeli security guard was stabbed yesterday? Not a Palestinian, an Israeli, there's very clear security footage.

And to call Israel apartheid is the epitome of ignorance. Out of interest in apartheid South Africa how many black judges were on a supreme court than sentenced a former president to jail? I'll let you answer that. In Israel two Palestinians were on a panel of 5 judges that sentenced Moshe Katzav to jail. There are countless examples as to why such a statement is utterly baseless.

And to say Jews are the cause for anti semetism is an awful comment which I don't believe you comprehend. But I guess when 67 Jews in Hebron were massacred in 1929 is because of their "terrible" treatment of Palestinians. Again, one of a plethora of examples, there is certainly not a shortage of anti semitism pre 1948

 

[pugsville]

And yet he still broke the treaty in no unequivocal fashion. Egypt, Syria and Jordan were all prepared to attack. It's no secret they loath Israel and would have taken it off the map without any qualms. Self preservation doesn't allow Israel to have the luxury to stand down when such a treaty is broken, it creates very dangerous precedents they simply cannot stand for.

It's a very simple equation, if Israel demonstrate weakness they lay themselves exposed to being wiped off the map

except the Israeli leadership is on the record disagree with you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War


"Former Chief of Staff of the armed forces, Haim Bar-Lev (a deputy chief during the war) stated: "the entrance of the Egyptians into Sinai was not a casus belli," but argued instead that the Egyptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran ultimately caused the war.

After the closing of the Straits of Tiran, Israeli Foreign Minister, Abba Eban, contended that this was enough to start the war. Eban said, "From May the 24th onward, the question who started the war or who fired the first shot became momentously irrelevant. There is no difference in civil law between murdering a man by slow strangulation or killing him by a shot in the head... From the moment at which the blockade was posed, active hostilities had commenced, and Israel owed Egypt nothing of her Charter rights."[202]

While not viewed by the Israeli military as an imminent threat, the presence of a long-term direct and 'immediate' threat on the border would require the IDF to mobilize its reserves and stand ready, thus severely disrupting normal life in Israel at intolerable economic cost.[203]

Writing in 2002, American National Public Radio journalist Mike Shuster expressed a view that was prevalent in Israel before the war that the country "was surrounded by Arab states dedicated to its eradication. Egypt was ruled by Gamal Abdel Nasser, a firebrand nationalist whose army was the strongest in the Arab Middle East. Syria was governed by the radical Baathist Party, constantly issuing threats to push Israel into the sea."[107] With what Israel saw as provocative acts by Nasser, including the blockade of the Straits and the mobilization of forces in the Sinai, creating military and economic pressure, and the United States temporizing because of its entanglement in the Vietnam War, Israel's political and military elite came to feel that preemption was not merely militarily preferable, but transformative.

Major General Mattityahu Peled, the Chief of Logistics for the Armed Forces during the war, said the survival argument was "a bluff which was born and developed only after the war ... When we spoke of the war in the General Staff, we talked of the political ramifications if we didn't go to war — what would happen to Israel in the next 25 years. Never of survival today."[204] Peled also stated that "To pretend that the Egyptian forces massed on our frontiers were in a position to threaten the existence of Israel constitutes an insult not only to the intelligence of anyone capable of analyzing this sort of situation, but above all an insult to Zahal (Israeli military)."[205]

In a 30 March 1968 Ma’ariv interview Defense Minister Moshe Dayan explained: "What do you mean, [the war was] unavoidable? It was, of course, possible to avoid the war if the Straits [of Tiran] had stayed closed to Israeli shipping.[206]"


Menachem Begin also stated that "The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."[207]

According to Martin van Creveld, the IDF pressed for war: "...the concept of 'defensible borders' was not even part of the IDFs own vocabulary. Anyone who will look for it in the military literature of the time will do so in vain. Instead, Israel's commanders based their thought on the 1948 war and, especially, their 1956 triumph over the Egyptians in which, from then Chief of Staff Dayan down, they had gained their spurs. When the 1967 crisis broke they felt certain of their ability to win a 'decisive, quick and elegant' victory, as one of their number, General Haim Bar Lev, put it, and pressed the government to start the war as soon as possible"

"Yitzhak Rabin, who served as the Chief of the General Staff for Israel during the war stated: "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."

Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban wrote in his autobiography that he found "Nasser's assurance that he did not plan an armed attack" convincing, adding that "Nasser did not want war; he wanted victory without war".[215][216][217]"

 

[Roylion]

And Israel could not have bought oil from the Americas? But in any case the Straits were Egyptian terrirtorial waters why should they not be able close access to a hostile power?

From the Americas? I gave you the oil price from Venezuela in comparison with Iran.

The Straits had been closed before and not been seen by Israel as a cause for War.

That’s not correct. In late 1955 Nasser blocked the 13 km wide Straits of Tiran by the installation of a coastal battery in violation of both the 1949 armistice (Article II) with Israel and international law. State practice and customary international law is that ships of all states have a right of innocent passage through territorial seas. Egypt had barred Israeli ships from the Suez Canal impounding Israeli ships, cargo and crews. The blockade was clearly part of an all out economic war against Israel. In July 1956 Ben Gurion gave orders for a pre-pre-emptive strike and ordered the Israeli General Staff to plan for war concentrating initially on the reopening of the Straits of Tiran, but also to remove the threat of the Fedayeen, whose raids had reached an all time high in 1956 and also to remove the threat of the Egyptian army in the Sinai.

During the Sinai campaign the Straits were re-opened on 5th November 1956 when the Israelis captured Sharm El-Shiekh. Israel withdrew from these positions, in return for UN guarantees of passage through the Straits to be manned by UN forces, until Nasser ordered them out on May 17th 1967 and closed the Straits again five days later on May 22nd.

Nassar only was in a standoff with Israel , because Israel was threatening to invade Syria.

A stand-off? Four days after closing the Straits Nasser had told the Arab Trade Union Congress that this time it was their intention to destroy Israel. Nasser had already moved large forces through Cairo into he Sinai and by the 20th May 100,000 Egyptian troops with 1,000 tanks had been massed along Israel’s south-western border. Contingents of troops had arrived from other Arab countries such as Iraq, Sudan. Kuwait and Algeria. By the end of May Israel was ringed by 250,000 Arab troops, 2,000 tanks and over 700 fighter and bomber aircraft. There are differing historical views, but certainly some historians claim that Egyptian Field Marshal Amer planned for initiating an attack on Israel on 27th May, which was code-named Operation Dawn and was only called off when the Soviets refused to support Egypt if they attacked first.

In regards to Syria, the Israelis’ had certainly made several threats to invade Syria to deal with the ever increasing Fatah attacks on their borders. In the first half of the 1960s, the Syrians had shelled Israeli settlements, continued to attack fishing boats on the Sea of Galilee, villages in the Huleh Valley and to fire on agricultural workers in the demilitarised zone. As Israel was about to complete its National Water Carrier, carrying water from the Sea of Galilee and the Jordan River to the arid south of the country, Syria threatened to go to war in order to obstruct the project. To Arab eyes, this project would enable the young and small Israel to settle a large number of people in its southern region, consolidating its existence. In January 1964 an Arab League summit meeting convened in Cairo and decided:

"The establishment of Israel is the basic threat that the Arab nation in its entirety has agreed to forestall. And since the existence of Israel is a danger that threatens the Arab nation, the diversion of the Jordan waters by it multiplies the dangers to Arab existence. Accordingly, the Arab states have to prepare the plans necessary for dealing with the political, economic and social aspects, so that if necessary results are not achieved, collective Arab military preparations, when they are not completed, will constitute the ultimate practical means for the final liquidation of Israel."

To deprive the Israelis of 35% of the planned 320 cubic metres that the Israelis intended to harvest from the Sea of Galilee (which was an amount well within the 1955 Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan (approved by technical water committees of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, but rejected by the Arab League), the Syrians began work on a canal on the Banias River in Syria, which flowed into the Yarmuk, which in turn flowed into the River Jordan. Combined with the canal works going on in Lebanon, Israel was going to lose two thirds of its water supply. In 1965, there were 3 notable border clashes, starting with Syrian shootings of Israeli farmers and army patrols, followed by Israeli tanks and artillery destroying the Arab heavy earth moving machines that were used for the diversion plan.

On 7th April 1967 Israeli aircraft attacked the artillery positions of the Syrian army in response to continued long range fire from Syria into Israel. Six Syrian aircraft were shot down. The Israelis issued a warning to the Syrian government that indicated that Israel would not remain passive in the face of further Syrian attacks and that should firing into Israel continue, the Israelis would react in such a way that could bring down the regime in Damascus. Syria then tried to impress upon the Egyptians that they were apprehensive of an attack on Syria. On the 13th May a Soviet delegation to Cairo informed the Egyptians that the Israelis had massed eleven brigades on the border with Syria. The Soviet Ambassador to Israel was invited by the Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol to accompany him to the Syrian border to show that there were not eleven brigades as had been falsely reported to the Egyptians by the Soviets but only eleven companies. The Soviet Ambassador declined the invitation. The Soviets were interested in pressing Syria’s case for political reasons of their own (which included trying to establishing their first major foothold in the Middle East in Syria) and were not interested in helping Israel deny their allegations.

Israel decision to start the war in 1967 was primarily due to internal Israeli Politics.

Tom Segev is of the view that the chief of staff, Yitzhak Rabin, drew a dovish cabinet into an unnecessary confrontation with the Arab world. Segev argues that Rabin, supported by his colleagues in the general staff, believed Israel could escalate its confrontation with Syria with impunity. Prime Minister Levi Eshkol wanted to avoid war and ordered the military to use defensive methods in dealing with the Syrian provocations. However, the generals ignored Eshkol’s instructions and went ahead with preparations for a major operation against Syria. When Egypt, Syria’s military ally, sent its forces into the Sinai in May of 1967 to deter Israel from attacking Syria, Israeli generals forced the prime minister to green light an all-out offensive in early June. In Segev’s story, Israel is no longer a victim of Arab hostility but rather an aggressive power that pushed Arab leaders into a corner and certainly that view is a narrative that anti-Israeli elements have tried to push.

However it's clear that in 1967 Israel's political leadership, decided that if the US would not act, and if the UN could not act, then Israel would have to act. It’s quite clear that Nasser, by closing the Tiran Straits, massing troops in the Sinai and engaging in rhetoric that called for the destruction of Israel embarked on an exercise in brinkmanship which went over the brink.

It was also quite clear that Israel in 1967 decided in favour of a pre-emptive strike in June 1967 because of its perceived economic, social and political vulnerabilities (described above and in previous posts) and its very real geographic vulnerabilities. As well as this there was the social and psychological fragility of the Israelis at the time. Nine out of every ten Jews living in Israel in 1967 had not been born there. Nearly one out of every five had lived in Israel for less than a decade. Many of them were Holocaust survivors or newcomers from Arab countries. Most Israelis had not yet mastered the Hebrew language. Egypt’s threats to exterminate Israel which was quite obviously rhetoric designed to raise Nasser;s standing in the Arab world (that I mentioned above) caused widespread and growing panic which the Israeli cabinet could not ignore. Certainly it appears that some militarists and politicians manipulated the public’s apprehensions, but there is ample evidence to show that there was authentic panic. In their private correspondence in the period leading up to the war, Israelis expressed feelings of complete helplessness, repeatedly referring to Arab threats to "exterminate Israel." These words, broadcast by Arab radio stations (see below) and added to Nasser’s own rhetoric (see below) , indicated, for many Israelis, the possibility of a second Holocaust. This is considered by some historians as a major factor in the decision to strike at Egypt, and Egypt’s almost immediate defeat became a major factor in turn, to make the decision to take East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Egypt’s new ally Jordan.

Some examples of the 1967 rhetoric I'm referrring to

Egypt

"Our aim is the full restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. In other words, we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel." – President Nasser of Egypt, November 18, 1965

"Brothers, it is our duty to prepare for the final battle in Palestine." – Nasser, Palestine Day, 1967

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

"We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." – Nasser, May 28, 1967

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein

"We are now ready to confront Israel .... The issue now at hand is not the Gulf of Aqaba, the Straits of Tiran, or the withdrawal of UNEF, but the ... aggression which took place in Palestine ... with the collaboration of Britain and the United States." – Nasser, June 2, 1967

"Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria is in a position to cut Israel in two at Kalkilya, where Israeli territory between the Jordan armistice line and the Mediterranean Sea is only twelve kilometers wide ... ." – El Akhbar newspaper, Cairo, May 31, 1967

"The Egyptian forces have taken up positions in accordance with our predetermined plans. The morale of our armed forces is very high, for this is the day they have so long been waiting for, for this holy war." General Abd el Mushin Murtagi, the Egyptian Commander of forces in the Sinai broadcast on Cairo Radio May 18 1967:

Cairo Radio Statements:

May 19, 1967: "This is our chance Arabs, to deal Israel a mortal blow of annihilation, to blot out its entire presence in our holy land"

May 22, 1967: "The Arab people is firmly resolved to wipe Israel off the map"

May 25, 1967: "The Gulf of Aqaba, by the dictum of history and the protection of our soldiers, is Arab, Arab, Arab."

May 25, 1967: "Millions of Arabs are ... preparing to blow up all of America's interests, all of America's installations, and your entire existence, America."

May 27, 1967: "We challenge you, Eshkol, to try all your weapons. Put them to the test; they will spell Israel's death and annihilation."

May 30, 1967: "With the closing of the Gulf of Akaba, Israel is faced with two alternatives either of which will destroy it; it will either be strangled to death by the Arab military and economic boycott, or it will perish by the fire of the Arab forces encompassing it from the South from the North and from the East."

May 30, 1967: "The world will know that the Arabs are girded for battle as the fateful hour approaches."

Jordan

"All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait. ... There is no difference between one Arab people and another, no difference between one Arab army and another." – King Hussein of Jordan, after signing the pact with Egypt May 30, 1967

Iraq

"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear – to wipe Israel off the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa." – President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967

Palestinians

"D-Day is approaching. The Arabs have waited 19 years for this and will not flinch from the war of liberation." – Ahmed Shukairy, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, May 27, 1967

"This is a fight for the homeland – it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967

"We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors – if there are any – the boats are ready to deport them." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem

Syria

Syria's forces are "ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united.... I as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation." – Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967

"Our two brotherly countries have turned into one mobilized force. The withdrawal of the UN forces ... means 'make way, our forces are on their way to battle.'" – Foreign Minister Makhous on his return from Cairo

Others

"The freedom of the homeland will be completed by the destruction of the Zionist entity and the expulsion of the Americans and the British from the region." – Algerian Prime Minister Houari Boumedienne

"We want war. War is the only way to settle the problem of Israel. The Arabs are ready." – Yemeni Foreign Minister Salam

 

[pugsville]

From the Americas? I gave you the oil price from Venezuela in comparison with Iran.

That’s not correct. In late 1955 Nasser blocked the 13 km wide Straits of Tiran by the installation of a coastal battery in violation of both the 1949 armistice (Article II) with Israel and international law. State practice and customary international law is that ships of all states have a right of innocent passage through territorial seas. Egypt had barred Israeli ships from the Suez Canal impounding Israeli ships, cargo and crews. The blockade was clearly part of an all out economic war against Israel. In July 1956 Ben Gurion gave orders for a pre-pre-emptive strike and ordered the Israeli General Staff to plan for war concentrating initially on the reopening of the Straits of Tiran, but also to remove the threat of the Fedayeen, whose raids had reached an all time high in 1956 and also to remove the threat of the Egyptian army in the Sinai.

During the Sinai campaign the Straits were re-opened on 5th November 1956 when the Israelis captured Sharm El-Shiekh. Israel withdrew from these positions, in return for UN guarantees of passage through the Straits to be manned by UN forces, until Nasser ordered them out on May 17th 1967 and closed the Straits again five days later on May 22nd.

The Arab states had not signed up to the innocent passage provisions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War

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"Egypt stated that the Gulf of Aqaba had always been a national inland waterway subject to the sovereignty of the only three legitimate littoral States — Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt — who had the right to bar enemy vessels. The representative of the United Arab Republic further stated that "Israel's claim to have a port on the Gulf was considered invalid, as Israel was alleged to have occupied several miles of coastline on the Gulfline, including Umm Rashrash, in violation of Security Council resolutions of 1948 and the Egyptian-Israel General Armistice Agreement."[149]

The Arab states disputed Israel's right of passage through the Straits, noting they had not signed the Convention on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone specifically because of article 16(4) which provided Israel with that right.[150]

In the United Nations General Assembly debates after the war, the Arab states and their supporters argued that even if international law gave Israel the right of passage, Israel was not entitled to attack Egypt to assert that right, because the closure was not an "armed attack" as defined by Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. Supporting this view in a letter written to the New York Times in June 1967, lawyer Roger Fisher argued that

The United Arab Republic had a good legal case for restricting traffic through the Strait of Tiran. First it is debatable whether international law confers any right of innocent passage through such a waterway.... [Secondly]... a right of innocent passage is not a right of free passage for any cargo at any time. In the words of the Convention on the Territorial Sea: 'Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order, or security of the coastal state... taking the facts as they were I, as an international lawyer, would rather defend before the International Court of Justice the legality of the U.A.R's action in closing the Strait of Tiran than to argue the other side of the case...[151]
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A stand-off? Four days after closing the Straits Nasser had told the Arab Trade Union Congress that this time it was their intention to destroy Israel. Nasser had already moved large forces through Cairo into he Sinai and by the 20th May 100,000 Egyptian troops with 1,000 tanks had been massed along Israel’s south-western border. Contingents of troops had arrived from other Arab countries such as Iraq, Sudan. Kuwait and Algeria. By the end of May Israel was ringed by 250,000 Arab troops, 2,000 tanks and over 700 fighter and bomber aircraft. There are differing historical views, but certainly some historians claim that Egyptian Field Marshal Amer planned for initiating an attack on Israel on 27th May, which was code-named Operation Dawn and was only called off when the Soviets refused to support Egypt if they attacked first.

In regards to Syria, the Israelis’ had certainly made several threats to invade Syria to deal with the ever increasing Fatah attacks on their borders. In the first half of the 1960s, the Syrians had shelled Israeli settlements, continued to attack fishing boats on the Sea of Galilee, villages in the Huleh Valley and to fire on agricultural workers in the demilitarised zone. As Israel was about to complete its National Water Carrier, carrying water from the Sea of Galilee and the Jordan River to the arid south of the country, Syria threatened to go to war in order to obstruct the project. To Arab eyes, this project would enable the young and small Israel to settle a large number of people in its southern region, consolidating its existence. In January 1964 an Arab League summit meeting convened in Cairo and decided:

"The establishment of Israel is the basic threat that the Arab nation in its entirety has agreed to forestall. And since the existence of Israel is a danger that threatens the Arab nation, the diversion of the Jordan waters by it multiplies the dangers to Arab existence. Accordingly, the Arab states have to prepare the plans necessary for dealing with the political, economic and social aspects, so that if necessary results are not achieved, collective Arab military preparations, when they are not completed, will constitute the ultimate practical means for the final liquidation of Israel."

To deprive the Israelis of 35% of the planned 320 cubic metres that the Israelis intended to harvest from the Sea of Galilee (which was an amount well within the 1955 Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan (approved by technical water committees of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, but rejected by the Arab League), the Syrians began work on a canal on the Banias River in Syria, which flowed into the Yarmuk, which in turn flowed into the River Jordan. Combined with the canal works going on in Lebanon, Israel was going to lose two thirds of its water supply. In 1965, there were 3 notable border clashes, starting with Syrian shootings of Israeli farmers and army patrols, followed by Israeli tanks and artillery destroying the Arab heavy earth moving machines that were used for the diversion plan.

On 7th April 1967 Israeli aircraft attacked the artillery positions of the Syrian army in response to continued long range fire from Syria into Israel. Six Syrian aircraft were shot down. The Israelis issued a warning to the Syrian government that indicated that Israel would not remain passive in the face of further Syrian attacks and that should firing into Israel continue, the Israelis would react in such a way that could bring down the regime in Damascus. Syria then tried to impress upon the Egyptians that they were apprehensive of an attack on Syria. On the 13th May a Soviet delegation to Cairo informed the Egyptians that the Israelis had massed eleven brigades on the border with Syria. The Soviet Ambassador to Israel was invited by the Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol to accompany him to the Syrian border to show that there were not eleven brigades as had been falsely reported to the Egyptians by the Soviets but only eleven companies. The Soviet Ambassador declined the invitation. The Soviets were interested in pressing Syria’s case for political reasons of their own (which included trying to establishing their first major foothold in the Middle East in Syria) and were not interested in helping Israel deny their allegations.

There was along history of border clashes. Israel was far from being innocent victim.

Tom Segev is of the view that the chief of staff, Yitzhak Rabin, drew a dovish cabinet into an unnecessary confrontation with the Arab world. Segev argues that Rabin, supported by his colleagues in the general staff, believed Israel could escalate its confrontation with Syria with impunity. Prime Minister Levi Eshkol wanted to avoid war and ordered the military to use defensive methods in dealing with the Syrian provocations. However, the generals ignored Eshkol’s instructions and went ahead with preparations for a major operation against Syria. When Egypt, Syria’s military ally, sent its forces into the Sinai in May of 1967 to deter Israel from attacking Syria, Israeli generals forced the prime minister to green light an all-out offensive in early June. In Segev’s story, Israel is no longer a victim of Arab hostility but rather an aggressive power that pushed Arab leaders into a corner and certainly that view is a narrative that anti-Israeli elements have tried to push.

However it's clear that in 1967 Israel's political leadership, decided that if the US would not act, and if the UN could not act, then Israel would have to act. It’s quite clear that Nasser, by closing the Tiran Straits, massing troops in the Sinai and engaging in rhetoric that called for the destruction of Israel embarked on an exercise in brinkmanship which went over the brink.

It was also quite clear that Israel in 1967 decided in favour of a pre-emptive strike in June 1967 because of its perceived economic, social and political vulnerabilities (described above and in previous posts) and its very real geographic vulnerabilities. As well as this there was the social and psychological fragility of the Israelis at the time. Nine out of every ten Jews living in Israel in 1967 had not been born there. Nearly one out of every five had lived in Israel for less than a decade. Many of them were Holocaust survivors or newcomers from Arab countries. Most Israelis had not yet mastered the Hebrew language. Egypt’s threats to exterminate Israel which was quite obviously rhetoric designed to raise Nasser;s standing in the Arab world (that I mentioned above) caused widespread and growing panic which the Israeli cabinet could not ignore. Certainly it appears that some militarists and politicians manipulated the public’s apprehensions, but there is ample evidence to show that there was authentic panic. In their private correspondence in the period leading up to the war, Israelis expressed feelings of complete helplessness, repeatedly referring to Arab threats to "exterminate Israel." These words, broadcast by Arab radio stations (see below) and added to Nasser’s own rhetoric (see below) , indicated, for many Israelis, the possibility of a second Holocaust. This is considered by some historians as a major factor in the decision to strike at Egypt, and Egypt’s almost immediate defeat became a major factor in turn, to make the decision to take East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Egypt’s new ally Jordan.

Some examples of the 1967 rhetoric I'm referrring to

Egypt

"Our aim is the full restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. In other words, we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel." – President Nasser of Egypt, November 18, 1965

"Brothers, it is our duty to prepare for the final battle in Palestine." – Nasser, Palestine Day, 1967

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

"We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." – Nasser, May 28, 1967

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein

"We are now ready to confront Israel .... The issue now at hand is not the Gulf of Aqaba, the Straits of Tiran, or the withdrawal of UNEF, but the ... aggression which took place in Palestine ... with the collaboration of Britain and the United States." – Nasser, June 2, 1967

"Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria is in a position to cut Israel in two at Kalkilya, where Israeli territory between the Jordan armistice line and the Mediterranean Sea is only twelve kilometers wide ... ." – El Akhbar newspaper, Cairo, May 31, 1967

"The Egyptian forces have taken up positions in accordance with our predetermined plans. The morale of our armed forces is very high, for this is the day they have so long been waiting for, for this holy war." General Abd el Mushin Murtagi, the Egyptian Commander of forces in the Sinai broadcast on Cairo Radio May 18 1967:

Cairo Radio Statements:

May 19, 1967: "This is our chance Arabs, to deal Israel a mortal blow of annihilation, to blot out its entire presence in our holy land"

May 22, 1967: "The Arab people is firmly resolved to wipe Israel off the map"

May 25, 1967: "The Gulf of Aqaba, by the dictum of history and the protection of our soldiers, is Arab, Arab, Arab."

May 25, 1967: "Millions of Arabs are ... preparing to blow up all of America's interests, all of America's installations, and your entire existence, America."

May 27, 1967: "We challenge you, Eshkol, to try all your weapons. Put them to the test; they will spell Israel's death and annihilation."

May 30, 1967: "With the closing of the Gulf of Akaba, Israel is faced with two alternatives either of which will destroy it; it will either be strangled to death by the Arab military and economic boycott, or it will perish by the fire of the Arab forces encompassing it from the South from the North and from the East."

May 30, 1967: "The world will know that the Arabs are girded for battle as the fateful hour approaches."

Jordan

"All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait. ... There is no difference between one Arab people and another, no difference between one Arab army and another." – King Hussein of Jordan, after signing the pact with Egypt May 30, 1967

Iraq

"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear – to wipe Israel off the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa." – President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967

Palestinians

"D-Day is approaching. The Arabs have waited 19 years for this and will not flinch from the war of liberation." – Ahmed Shukairy, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, May 27, 1967

"This is a fight for the homeland – it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967

"We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors – if there are any – the boats are ready to deport them." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem

Syria

Syria's forces are "ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united.... I as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation." – Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967

"Our two brotherly countries have turned into one mobilized force. The withdrawal of the UN forces ... means 'make way, our forces are on their way to battle.'" – Foreign Minister Makhous on his return from Cairo

Others

"The freedom of the homeland will be completed by the destruction of the Zionist entity and the expulsion of the Americans and the British from the region." – Algerian Prime Minister Houari Boumedienne

"We want war. War is the only way to settle the problem of Israel. The Arabs are ready." – Yemeni Foreign Minister Salam

Hmm cut and paste from dubious propaganda sites.

And I've shown key Israeli decision makers thought otherwise. Nasser was not going to attack. Israel chose to start the war for their own reasons.

 

[Total Power]

Boom! Roylion sets the record straight again

 

[Procrastinator35]

Hmm cut and paste from dubious propaganda sites.

And I've shown key Israeli decision makers thought otherwise. Nasser was not going to attack. Israel chose to start the war for their own reasons.

Yep...Unfortunately sums up Roylion's position on this issue to a Tee.....I doubt he's even visited a Palestinian enclave.

An appalling apologetics for an Apartheid regime, forcibly ensconced upon the Arab world by the Imperialist Poms & Septics to begin with. Without due consideration for all that was to follow.....Typical U.S & British short-sighted Foreign policy....And their current collective policies emanate directly out of the Medieval Crusade mind-set....Their lack of respect for the Arab world is utterly Pathetic.

Of course, oil is another huge factor & consideration here, quite apart from the racist & Arab ethnic cleansing that continues on in Israel & it's surrounding neighborhoods at pace.

 

[Total Power]

There was along history of border clashes. Israel was far from being innocent victim.




Hmm cut and paste from dubious propaganda sites.

And I've shown key Israeli decision makers thought otherwise. Nasser was not going to attack. Israel chose to start the war for their own reasons.

Propaganda? says someone quoting the wikipedia? anyway, a war was inevitable regardless, not to mention Arab radio stations were spewing anti-Jewish propaganda for a long long time, from your favourite wiki:

What the Fight in Israel Is All About... Spring of 1967 the Arab countries, led by Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt, prepared to attack Israel and, in their own words, "throw the Jews into the sea." [36] [37], the Arab leaders' slogan : "We'll Throw Them into the Sea." [38] Al-Nasser [told] the UN forces in 1967, 'Get out and we will throw them into the sea. We will throw the Jews into the sea.' [39]

In 1967, Egypt's Nasser was planning a Pan-Arab invasion to eradicate Israel,[40][41] he declared, a few days before the war, "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel."[42], Syria's Assad echoed, "It is time to embark on a war of annihilation." The same sentiments were voiced in 1973. [43]

Lebanese journalist Brigitte Gabriel: 'Arabs are taught hatred of Jews with mothers' milk.' "universities teach hatred of Jews," from a lecture at Columbia university - March 6 2005 entitled: "Environments of Hate: Indoctrination in the Arab World and Propaganda Advocacy in Americas university Classrooms" I am an eyewitness and a victim of the indoctrination of hate education, racism, intolerance, intimidation and fabricated lies by my government and religious influences. This indoctrination was for one purpose: To eradicate the newborn state of Israel ; to foment hatred and wipe out Jewish presence in an Arab dominated world. For Arabs, the simple existence of Israel was viewed as a catastrophe...al nakbah! This pan Arab hate indoctrination was a reaction to Jews returning to their homeland after Arabic and Islamic belief for 1400 years that the Yahuds were vanquished and subjugated as Dhimmi. I believe hate motivated indoctrination fosters irrational thinking and faulty reasoning.[45]


https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Israel_vs_Genocide


the Six-Day War was merely a continuation of the War of Independence, 1947-1949, designed to bring about the demise of the sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people and the "cleansing" of the Land of Israel of its Jews under the slogan as i mentioned above. 67 didnt transform Palestinian view of religion, this is utter nonsense. the fact that those living in gaza and W. Bank are now more conservative Muslims than their parents is a prevalent trend across the entire generation, young European Muslims are more conservative than their parents, hence the rise in terrorism

palestinians have been aching for a genocide of the Jews decades before '67, in '21 and especially in '48, where jihad movements to cleanse the Muslim lands of the 'yahood' was commonplace, just look up Haj al Amin al Husseini, any of Nasser's speeches on google, or the Green Shirts in Egypt

 

[Total Power]

Arthur Derounian, a journalist travelling through the region in 1948 on the Islamic jihad to murder jews:



"I could tell by his gray turban and flowing, gray-black burnous that he was a Bedouin from the desert, and at the same time a sheikh of El Azhar. I had caught a glimpse of him the previous night. Now he was whiling away his time by toying with the sibha, a string of large oval amber beads, used by the Arabs to count their prayers and also to work off nervous energy.

Fascinated, I watched his enormous hands, capable of choking a throat as easily as crushing an egg, as he endlessly slipped bead after bead through his fingers. He put away the beads and dug his hand deep into the folds of a pocket inside the voluminous burnous. It emerged with a handful of heavy-caliber bullets. His other hand dipped, and came out clutching a Belgian automatic. He placed this in his lap and patted it fondly.

"Allah! I paid £20 for this, and I won't have my money's worth until I have killed twenty Jews. One pound, one Jew."

This pleasant observation was translated for me by another neighbor, a police lieutenant who had replaced my student friend. I suspected he had taken a seat near me to watch me more closely, and I played my hand accordingly.

"How many have you killed so far?" I asked the Bedouin.

"With my rifle, four. With the knife, two." He held up his fingers each time. "That is not enough in the sight of Allah. I have come to Cairo to buy heavy arms. With these we shall have a blood feast."

He apparently took a fancy to me. "You are the first American I have liked," he said. "You do not display Western manners. You do not have superior ways. I feel toward you as a brother. You talk like an Arab. Allah, you look like an Arab. I want you to visit me in the Negev," he said quite suddenly. He was evidently in earnest, because he gave me his name, which I carefully copied down — Sheikh Younis Hussein Mohammed — and detailed instructions for reaching his desert stronghold, near Falouja, above the Palestine-Egyptian border. Leaning over, he asked what kind of gun I carried.

"I shoot only with my cameras," I said. "I need no guns."

"You are a brave American, but not a wise one," Sheikh Mohammed said. "Visit me, and my men will teach you to kill."

"You will be afraid to go," the police lieutenant put in.
"You will have fear of the Jews."

"I have no fears," I said. "I have faith, just as you have faith in Allah. With Allah at my side I have passed many dangers. Soon I shall leave with many volunteer fighters for the Jehad in Palestine. I shall stay until all Palestine is liberated
from the Zionist Jews."

"Those are beautiful words," the sheikh said, after they had
been translated loudly not only to him but to the entire grim
audience about me.

Arthur Derounian - Cairo To Damascus, 1951




https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-5UIiCSQccCwZoezi/Cairo To Damascus_djvu.txt

More propaganda i assume, if it doesn't agree with my sources it must be propaganda.

 

[pugsville]

Propaganda? says someone quoting the wikipedia? anyway, a war was inevitable regardless, not to mention Arab radio stations were spewing anti-Jewish propaganda for a long long time, from your favourite wiki:

Wikipedia has it's faults but generally it comes with footnotes and sources that you can follow up on. Unlike Roylion's cut and paste job.

The Website I found his cut paste on was a propaganda site, devoted to telling one extremely bias version of things.

 

[pugsville]

Propaganda? says someone quoting the wikipedia? anyway, a war was inevitable regardless, not to mention Arab radio stations were spewing anti-Jewish propaganda for a long long time, from your favourite wiki:

What the Fight in Israel Is All About... Spring of 1967 the Arab countries, led by Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt, prepared to attack Israel and, in their own words, "throw the Jews into the sea." [36] [37], the Arab leaders' slogan : "We'll Throw Them into the Sea." [38] Al-Nasser [told] the UN forces in 1967, 'Get out and we will throw them into the sea. We will throw the Jews into the sea.' [39]

In 1967, Egypt's Nasser was planning a Pan-Arab invasion to eradicate Israel,[40][41] he declared, a few days before the war, "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel."[42], Syria's Assad echoed, "It is time to embark on a war of annihilation." The same sentiments were voiced in 1973. [43]

Lebanese journalist Brigitte Gabriel: 'Arabs are taught hatred of Jews with mothers' milk.' "universities teach hatred of Jews," from a lecture at Columbia university - March 6 2005 entitled: "Environments of Hate: Indoctrination in the Arab World and Propaganda Advocacy in Americas university Classrooms" I am an eyewitness and a victim of the indoctrination of hate education, racism, intolerance, intimidation and fabricated lies by my government and religious influences. This indoctrination was for one purpose: To eradicate the newborn state of Israel ; to foment hatred and wipe out Jewish presence in an Arab dominated world. For Arabs, the simple existence of Israel was viewed as a catastrophe...al nakbah! This pan Arab hate indoctrination was a reaction to Jews returning to their homeland after Arabic and Islamic belief for 1400 years that the Yahuds were vanquished and subjugated as Dhimmi. I believe hate motivated indoctrination fosters irrational thinking and faulty reasoning.[45]


https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Israel_vs_Genocide


the Six-Day War was merely a continuation of the War of Independence, 1947-1949, designed to bring about the demise of the sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people and the "cleansing" of the Land of Israel of its Jews under the slogan as i mentioned above. 67 didnt transform Palestinian view of religion, this is utter nonsense. the fact that those living in gaza and W. Bank are now more conservative Muslims than their parents is a prevalent trend across the entire generation, young European Muslims are more conservative than their parents, hence the rise in terrorism

palestinians have been aching for a genocide of the Jews decades before '67, in '21 and especially in '48, where jihad movements to cleanse the Muslim lands of the 'yahood' was commonplace, just look up Haj al Amin al Husseini, any of Nasser's speeches on google, or the Green Shirts in Egypt

Yup more propaganda./ really crude propaganda. Really who is stupid enough to take this gump seriously..

 

[Total Power]

Yup more propaganda./ really crude propaganda. Really who is stupid enough to take this gump seriously..

Ah so when i quote wikipedia its propaganda, when you quote its not, hey? quality reply, you are on fire with your one liners

and which gump are you talking about? the sources are written clearly, there are multiple authors, kick on the numbers and see. Sorry that it doesnt agree with "your version" of the truth.

 

[Total Power]

Wikipedia has it's faults but generally it comes with footnotes and sources that you can follow up on. Unlike Roylion's cut and paste job.

The Website I found his cut paste on was a propaganda site, devoted to telling one extremely bias version of things.

I found it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation

Is this a propaganda site? and people quoting RT here, what is that? gospel?

 

[pugsville]

Ah so when i quote wikipedia its propaganda, when you quote its not, hey? quality reply, you are on fire with your one liners

and which gump are you talking about? the sources are written clearly, there are multiple authors, kick on the numbers and see. Sorry that it doesnt agree with "your version" of the truth.

Not true, you did not post wikipedia but wikiunversity which is not moderated content. Different site. Different rules. It was just a list of articles which were seemed to all propaganda all designed to vilify one side of the conflict without any attempt to portray history in an accurate fashion.

 

[Total Power]

Not true, you did not post wikipedia but wikiunversity which is not moderated content. Different site. Different rules. It was just a list of articles which were seemed to all propaganda all designed to vilify one side of the conflict without any attempt to portray history in an accurate fashion.

So what? did you check the sources? its clearly mentioned what were the sources.Which source do you disagree with and why?

 

[Total Power]

Not true, you did not post wikipedia but wikiunversity which is not moderated content. Different site. Different rules. It was just a list of articles which were seemed to all propaganda all designed to vilify one side of the conflict without any attempt to portray history in an accurate fashion.

Btw this tell me this is also propaganda..war with Israel was inevitable due to the reasons i mentioned above:

We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.

Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight

President Nasser of Egypt -1967
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/30/newsid_2493000/2493177.stm

Tell me now this is a propaganda too?

This is exactly what i said, it runs a lot deeper than what just happened in 1967, its been building for decades. You do not expect Israel to respond to the army build up around their borders, but Russia feels threatened by NATO bases all around their country and people like p35 have fully supported Russian attacks against Georgia and Crimea. Israel can defend themselves, going by history, they have been on receiving end of it and fresh after the holocaust they chose to defend themselves from the threats, wow yeah massive crime there. Don't forget to mention that Husseni hitlers key ally in the middle east been sowing the anti-semitic seeds in Palestine for decades before 1948, but i assume you don't like facts.

 

[pugsville]

Btw this tell me this is also propaganda..war with Israel was inevitable due to the reasons i mentioned above:

We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.

Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight

President Nasser of Egypt -1967
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/30/newsid_2493000/2493177.stm

Tell me now this is a propaganda too?

This is exactly what i said, it runs a lot deeper than what just happened in 1967, its been building for decades. You do not expect Israel to respond to the army build up around their borders, but Russia feels threatened by NATO bases all around their country and people like p35 have fully supported Russian attacks against Georgia and Crimea. Israel can defend themselves, going by history, they have been on receiving end of it and fresh after the holocaust they chose to defend themselves from the threats, wow yeah massive crime there. Don't forget to mention that Husseni hitlers key ally in the middle east been sowing the anti-semitic seeds in Palestine for decades before 1948, but i assume you don't like facts.

you only interested in painting one side of the conflict as black. If you edit history to only mention the bad deeds of one side it's not an overall accurate picture. There's plenty of bad behaviour you can list a long list of stuff from either side. If you only produce such a list, you're not interested in any sort of reasonable discussion, you are indulging in propaganda.

The israeli leaders are on the record as saying the war was not inevitable, it was a choice. Nasser was not intending to attack Israel he wanted to deter Israel from attacking Syria.