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I'm no Dennis Denuto but I though a third party, even the police, cant charge someone with assualt unless the alleged victim gives the go ahead?????


Which would mean in this case, the fact Bock is charged with assult, means his girlfriend did press charges, which means he did assault her.
 
It's not a civil case (in which case his gf holds all the cards) it's a criminal case in which is she even drukingly says "he touched me" he must be charged.
 
SpringChoke said:
I'm no Dennis Denuto but I though a third party, even the police, cant charge someone with assualt unless the alleged victim gives the go ahead?????


Which would mean in this case, the fact Bock is charged with assult, means his girlfriend did press charges, which means he did assault her.
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No i've actually know a few people who were charged with assult from heresay. But I'll leave it too the experts around the technical stuff.

You have to remember springy being charged doesn't actually mean you've done anything wrong. It just suggests that their is evidence you may have done something wrong.
 
WALL-e said:
Don't jump to too many conclusions either way.

Sounds like the property damage was the pub trying to get what would usualy not matter, paid for. If he was just play fighting with a mate and dented a wall, no issues there.

The real issue is obviously he and the missus.

Now usually if police attend a domestic dispute they will arrest the male, this is standard as they usually take them to 'cool off' in a cell.

The charge could stem from his missus sayin he grab me by the arm (police have to charge this as assulst but it will get thrown out) or it could be serious.

It's a matter for the law to deal with, now that everyone is sober it should be dealt with rather quickly and dropped if not serious or proceeded with if it is.

The AFC should see if he broke any team rules, if not, they should wait for the legal findings before punishment.
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this is a good post

without knowing the facts once Bock's girlfriend lays a complaint no matter how serious the Police will lay a charge and let the process determine the appropriate result.

I just hope that it was nothing more than Bocky grabbing her arm, domestic violence against women should not be tolerated, however I will not judge Bock until all the facts are known

The matter of Bocky being intoxicated at 2am is the first issue that needs to be addressed by the club, if this behaviour breaks team rules then he should be treated no differently to any other player on the list.

Once this has been decided the clubs needs to try and determine the facts of the evening and once they are confident that the facts are undisputable they will also need to make a judgement on this matter and treat Bock like any other player on the list
 

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Geoffa32 said:
He will get off and will suffer little sanction. The "invisible hand" that assists AFL footballers will weave its work.

Mind you I have heard of other bloke hit their GFs and nothing comes of it, and the girl goes back to them.....:rolleyes:
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What a cynical post! Don’t you think the character assassination is a substantial penalty? Look even you infer him to be a women basher and you don’t even know the story.
 
Silly, silly boy. Regardless of the police outcome (which is probably a year away) his reputation has been damaged which will be difficult to repair.
 
Capitalist said:
No i've actually know a few people who were charged with assult from heresay. But I'll leave it too the experts around the technical stuff.

You have to remember springy being charged doesn't actually mean you've done anything wrong. It just suggests that their is evidence you may have done something wrong.
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I didn't think you could be charged with assault from heresay. I thought the victim had to lay charges?????
 
If the victim give enough reason to believe there was an assult (especially in domestic violence cases) the police will charge them.
 
Capitalist said:
What a cynical post! Don’t you think the character assassination is a substantial penalty? Look even you infer him to be a women basher and you don’t even know the story.
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Probably a bit harsh, but find it hard to defend him just because he wears the Tri Colours.

If he is innocent I apologise.
 
SpringChoke said:
I didn't think you could be charged with assault from heresay. I thought the victim had to lay charges?????
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Na they were at a pub when a scuffle broke out. The bouncers then identified them as the assailants (despite the fact that 1 the bouncers didn’t see the fight and 2 the people in the fight left .
Once it hit the court however the judge threw it out. From what I understand the police have to arrest if there is a complaint? (What I would give for a resident legal expert!)

On a side note, I have a mate who is a policeman he reckons he gets a good laugh most weekends when arresting people and they start talking about their rights! He reminds them that we live in Australia and the Miranda (sp) Rights don’t apply here.
 

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The club is in a difficult position, which I doubt the football department would be pleased with.

They'll have to balance "innocent until proven guilty" with the damage done to the brand and image of the club. They can't wait a year to let it run its course.

If the club's own investigation finds he's done the wrong thing he should be stood down and he should not play until it is resolved. I don't think any of us want that, but in my view that's the correct course of action.

Similar to Nick D'Arcy and the Australian swim team. Swimming Australia didn't wait until the matter was heard before taking appropriate action.

Bock is a great player, and I certainly hope that that this is only a minor matter, but there must be accountability for actions and no player is bigger than the club.
 
Jumbo said:
The gravity of the charge changes rapidly if the assault is against a partner (becomes an indictable offence) which can have very harsh penalties and doesn't look real good on your resume!!
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. For starters, there are no such thing as indictments and misdemeanours in South Australia (or, as far as I know, anywhere else in Australia). Second, the fact that the alleged assault was against his partner has, in a legal sense, nothing to do with anything. Bock was charged with assault under the Criminal Law Consolidation Act - there is a separate Domestic Violence Act with presumably harsher penalties (I'm no expert on the subject) under which no charge has been laid. The worst that could happen is that he could be charged with aggravated assault, but in a situation like this where the bloke is clearly not going to jail, it would for all practical purposes just be calling the same thing a different name.

I think it's really important that people here distinguish between the legal process and any club penalties that might be imposed. It's important that the club come to any disciplinary decision in the next day or two - as it wouldn't be a good look to just let this slide until the middle of the year, which is when Bock's guilt or otherwise will be determined. It's no good saying "if he's guilty, they should punish him", because by that time the punishment will have lost all relevance, and if he's been found guilty of a criminal offence it would just be kicking the guy while he's down. So what they need to do is get a clear version of events from Bock, and possibly his girlfriend.

The important thing, from an AFC disciplinary pov, is whether he has actually broken any team rules, and if so, to what extent? Frankly, none of us know what the rules are so there is no point saying he should be suspended or he should be treated the same as everyone else blah blah blah. It appears there are different rules in place now to two years ago, so why should he be treated the same as Hudson, Vince etc? It may be that the players are allowed to have a Saturday night out to let their hair down after a Friday night game. Having said that, if he has broken any rules, the club should determine how badly he broke them and punish accordingly. The fact that he's Nathan Bock should make no difference to that. And at the very least, they should send him and/or his girlfriend to some couples counselling or anger management or something, if for no other reason than to give a public appearance of doing the right thing.

From a legal perspective, I really think it's nothing to worry about. As a lot of people have already said, you can get charged with assault for anything just on the say so of anyone, so until I see the girlfriend with a black eye or an arm in a sling, I refuse to get caught up in the "wife-basher" brouhaha. I'm not ruling out that it's serious, but I think that if it was, a few more details would have come to hand by now. Let's wait and see.
 
As a friend of the alleged victims family I can only say this situation has been a constant source of anguish for some considerable time.

I hope the parties can now finally resolve these issues and move forward for the good of all.
 
On Triple M this morning they said they believed the Crows players have a 2am curfew (Ali Carle - who goes out with Matty Clarke - agreed, but she wasn't 100% sure) and if you remember a few years ago, Vince and Hudson were suspended for being out a few minutes past curfew. That panicked me - since Bock was out past 2am and he was arrested. Even though he is our best player, they shouldn't just not suspend him because "we need him". You can't suspend 2 players for just being out a few minutes past, and not suspend a player who was out AND arrested.
 
Crows wait for Bock charge facts


April 06, 2009 10:00am



THE Crows will take time to determine the facts behind an incident involving star Nathan Bock before imposing any penalty, chief executive Steven Trigg says.
The all-Australian AFL defender has been charged with assaulting his girlfriend at an Adelaide hotel and with causing property damage after being detained by police late Saturday night.
He will face court later this year and Trigg says the club will get all the facts together before taking any steps of its own.
"We will spend a bit of time today to establish exactly what happened before we determine what, if anything, we will do," Trigg told ABC radio today.
He said the club would speak with people who were at the scene of the alleged incident and also to hotel management to "put the whole picture together".
Bock, who played for the Crows in his side's loss to St Kilda in Adelaide on Friday night, faces sanctions from his club as a result of the incident.
He can be fined a maximum of $5000 under the AFL players' code of conduct, with a club-imposed suspension also possible.
Trigg said a suspension would be considered but whether or not it was likely depended on the facts.
"I don't want to pre-empt what we will do with him until we understand exactly what's happened," he said.
"We just need some clarification as to what the charge is.
"We just need some certainty before we can act."
Bock has played 88 AFL games since making his debut in 2004.
The 26-year-old last year was selected in the All Australian side and also won Adelaide's club champion award.



http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25295532-12428,00.html
 

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Whilst I will defend him until he is proven guilty, damn this kind of crap is annoying especially when done at a pub!. Still at least the club is on the front foot, hopefully some of the anti-establishment fans can feel a bit happy its not being swept under the carpet.
 
Peter J said:
As a friend of the alleged victims family I can only say this situation has been a constant source of anguish for some considerable time.

I hope the parties can now finally resolve these issues and move forward for the good of all.
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Gets! said:
was only a matter of time Bocky...
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Would either of you guys like to expand?
 
Peter J said:
As a friend of the alleged victims family I can only say this situation has been a constant source of anguish for some considerable time.

I hope the parties can now finally resolve these issues and move forward for the good of all.
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Gets! said:
was only a matter of time Bocky...
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IddyBiddy said:
Would either of you guys like to expand?
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Agreed, you can't half throw sometime like that out there and not tell the whole thing, if you aren't prepared to then don't say anything at all.
 
Symesy15 said:
On Triple M this morning they said they believed the Crows players have a 2am curfew (Ali Carle - who goes out with Matty Clarke - agreed, but she wasn't 100% sure) and if you remember a few years ago, Vince and Hudson were suspended for being out a few minutes past curfew. That panicked me - since Bock was out past 2am and he was arrested. Even though he is our best player, they shouldn't just not suspend him because "we need him". You can't suspend 2 players for just being out a few minutes past, and not suspend a player who was out AND arrested.
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I'm pretty sure they don't have a curfew any more. That was just for that period of time when we were trying to get in the finals I think, or were in the finals.
 
Punchy Bassett said:
Agreed, you can't half throw sometime like that out there and not tell the whole thing, if you aren't prepared to then don't say anything at all.
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How about they don't tell any side of any story as this has nothing to do with us.
 

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