Is Pendlebury as good as Buckley?

[TradeDraft]

I been thinking about this for awhile, Comparing Pendles and Bucks.

Both Have:

• Have Great Kicks
• Great Vision
• Make Players Around them Better
• Great Marks
• Great Presense on the Field.

Differences are:

• Bucks played with Poor Sides in the 90's and Pendles has not played in a Poor Side Yet
• Pendles is more Inside then Bucks
• Bucks has the Copeland and Brownlow

I want to hear your Thoughts on this?

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

I been thinking about this for awhile, Comparing Pendles and Bucks.

Both Have:

• Have Great Kicks
• Great Vision
• Make Players Around them Better
• Great Marks
• Great Presense on the Field.

Differences are:

• Bucks played with Poor Sides in the 90's and Pendles has not played in a Poor Side Yet
• Pendles is more Inside then Bucks
• Bucks has the Copeland and Brownlow

I want to hear your Thoughts on this?

Maybe at the beginning of his career but by the end this is simply not true. Pendlebury might one day be worth mentioning in the same thread as Buckley, but you have jumped the gun big time my friend.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Nope, simple as that.

 

[RattataIsSoCool]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Please.

At this stage, one is arguably the best player we've had since our club's inception, the other isn't even the best player (yet) of the current senior side.

 

[HFF]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Nope.

Bucks was the best kick of the footy I've ever seen. His technique was flawless.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Please.

At this stage, one is arguably the best player we've had since our club's inception, the other isn't even the best player (yet) of the current senior side.

I rate Pendles as the Pies best Player

 

[HFF]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

I rate Pendles as the Pies best Player

Well, he isn't.

A bloke named Dane Swan is. The evidence is overwhelming.

3x (in a row) Copeland Trophy winner, #1 premier player in the comp in season 2010 and statistically record breaking the best in the league, 2x AA, MVP winner, Coaches Association best player, international rules best player etc.

Pendles may one day surpass Swan and is on track to possibly do so with an AA and Norm Smith to his name but on current evidence, Dane Swan is not only the best player at Collingwood but arguably the best player in the comp.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Well, he isn't.

A bloke named Dane Swan is. The evidence is overwhelming.

3x (in a row) Copeland Trophy winner, #1 premier player in the comp in season 2010 and statistically record breaking the best in the league, 2x AA, MVP winner, Coaches Association best player, international rules best player etc.

Pendles may one day surpass Swan and is on track to possibly do so with an AA and Norm Smith to his name but on current evidence, Dane Swan is not only the best player at Collingwood but arguably the best player in the comp.

Fair Enough and if you go by that then Swan is in the top 5 Players Collingwood has ever put on the Black and White

 

[Syphoncom]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Well, he isn't.

A bloke named Dane Swan is. The evidence is overwhelming.

3x (in a row) Copeland Trophy winner, #1 premier player in the comp in season 2010 and statistically record breaking the best in the league, 2x AA, MVP winner, Coaches Association best player, international rules best player etc.

Pendles may one day surpass Swan and is on track to possibly do so with an AA and Norm Smith to his name but on current evidence, Dane Swan is not only the best player at Collingwood but arguably the best player in the comp.

Swan (not Pendles here, but an example) may be viewed as as important, or as valuable as 'a Nathan Buckley', in that he gets similar accolades, attention from opposition, respect from peers and the competition as a whole.

But he's still not as good as Buckley. Off the field or on it, for mine. You could make an argument that players with x,y,z achievements and those that achieve that level of, "we must shut this person down or we're no chance of winning", are just as good.

But above and beyond that, I still think that Bucks not only had the leadership that most lack, but an aura that is almost impossible to obtain and one that takes more than even 2-3 years of being good. Opposition were in awe of him.

When he got the ball, you knew something good was going to happen, commentators got excited, the crowd got up and I'm sure teammates knew, they had ****ing Nathan Buckley playing for them.

 

[PiesMan]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Fair Enough and if you go by that then Swan is in the top 5 Players Collingwood has ever put on the Black and White

Swan is absolutely a once in a generation player. Think about how many players you have seen win 3 copelands in a row and play as consistently well as Swan has over the last 4 years and hopefully next 4 years.

People need to realise this and appreciate that they are able to watch the man ply his craft week in week out.

I really think a lot of Collingwood people take D Swan for granted.

 

[TownleyTime]

Swan is our best right now but Pendlebury is only marginally inferior. By seasons end, I'd expect Pendlebury to be ahead of Swan if he shows the improvement he has this preseason.

 

[Thommo 42]

Shortest answer possible:

NO

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Sorry, no.

Buckley is my all time favourite, and Pendles is my current favourite, but no.

When Pendlebury gets Buckley's insane disposal on BOTH feet, and can play any position on the ground well (except Ruck), THEN maybe we can talk.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Swan is absolutely a once in a generation player. Think about how many players you have seen win 3 copelands in a row and play as consistently well as Swan has over the last 4 years and hopefully next 4 years.

People need to realise this and appreciate that they are able to watch the man ply his craft week in week out.

I really think a lot of Collingwood people take D Swan for granted.

Well said.

There have been very few players that have won 3 copelands in a row, let alone win one of the 3 in a premiership year, and that's what Dane Swan has achieved.

Copleands are the biggest individual award around our club, they are held in higher esteem then the Brownlow, or an MVP, or any other "AFL" award, and to win 3 in a row puts him in the category with the Roses, Kynes and Buckleys (and one or two others).

Swan for mine is the only current player who can be mentioned in the same sentence as Bucks, although Pendles has at least 7-8 years to improve his standing.

Swan is a Collingwood champion, as Bucks was, Pendles is well on his way to being one too, in fact he is almost certain to be one, but longevity at the club is one of the "hallmarks" of a champion, so all Scott has to do is hang around and play anywhere near the level we know he can and he will be a Collingwood Champion pretty soon.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Swan is absolutely a once in a generation player. Think about how many players you have seen win 3 copelands in a row and play as consistently well as Swan has over the last 4 years and hopefully next 4 years.

People need to realise this and appreciate that they are able to watch the man ply his craft week in week out.

I really think a lot of Collingwood people take D Swan for granted.

The reason Swan isn't greatly appreciated is because he has come so close on the back of Buckley, and in all honesty, he is nowhere near as good as Buckley. Statistically you will be able to make a case for Swan, but Buckley was getting 30 touches a week when teams were getting 300. Swan is getting 30 a week when teams are regularly getting 400. This is without even getting into the way they actually use the ball.

I should say nowhere near as good at the moment because Swan has continued to improve every year he has played, and who knows, maybe he will go to an even higher level over the next couple of seasons. But a 28 year old Nathan Buckley in this current side for Dane Swan= better chance at a premiership.

Just on this, how great would it have been to see Pendles and Bucks playing together for 5 years??? And what about if Swanny had been born just three or four years earlier? We could have beaten those damn Lions!!!

Does anyone remember what Buckley's champion data scores used to be like?? I cant remember him averaging under 140 when he was still fit and in the midfield. I can't help but think if Buckley had been playing in his prime during the new supercoach era there would be a lot more neutral supporters who would have loved him!!!

 

[robertg22]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

He'll never be held in the same regard as Bucks, but that's not exactly a blight on his credentials.

FWIW I rate the best Pies I've seen in this order:

1. Buckley
2. Daicos
3. Swan
----a considerable amount of daylight----
4. G Brown
5. Clement

Pendles wouldn't be far behind in a group of players that would include Millane, Didak, Williams & possibly McGuane.
Having said that, by the time Bucks' second season for Collingwood came around he was almost 23 years old - at approximately the same age Pendles has already played over 100 games (10 finals, 2 grand finals & a premership), finished top 5 in the Brownlow, Norm Smith, ANZAC medal, AA, finished top 3 in the B&F 3 times & vice captain of the club for a second consecutive year.

 

[Old Spice]

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[Scodog10]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Copleands are the biggest individual award around our club, they are held in higher esteem then the Brownlow, or an MVP, or any other "AFL" award, and to win 3 in a row puts him in the category with the Roses, Kynes and Buckleys (and one or two others).

I love the club as much as the next person but there is no way known that the Copeland is held in higher regard than the MVP, I get what you mean by around our club, but being voted by your peers as the best player in the game for a given season is by far the biggest accolade a player can receive.

Oh and Buck's has Pendles covered at this stage by the length of the Flemington straight.

 

[Frankie23]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

I see where you are coming from Dave, personally once there careers have finished, pendles will be ahead of Bucks. i have no doubt he will win a Brownlow medal/Copeland soon enough. He has a premiership medal and a Norm Smith to go with it.


At the same stage in their careers (23 years old), you would have Pendlebury ahead of Buckley. I think this is a better argument for the Pendles fans

Pendles has already a top 5 Brownlow finish, numerous placings in the Copeland, ANZAC Medal, Norm Smith etc etc. It's a pretty impressive CV so far.

 

[shawthing09]

If we are talking about who has the better career of course Swan is above Pendles due largely to age and experince etc. If you are talking about right now who is the best player in the club that is hugely arguable and not nearly as clear cut as some are trying to make it sound. I'd certainly argue Pendles is the better of the two.

Anyway neither get close to Buckley. Buckley was truely exceptional in almost every important area of the game. Swan is a truely exceptional runner and winner of the ball in one on one contests and possibly better then Bucks in those regards but Bucks is well and truely ahead in every other facet.

 

[Dundalis]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Neither Swan or Pendlebury are as gifted as Buckley. Neither are anywhere near as good a kick. Pendlebury is only an elite kick in todays game of constant 20-30 metre chipping. He doesn't have Buckley's level of accuracy or penetration. Buckley could bend the ball around 5 players from 60 metres away. Pendles isn't anywhere near the same league as a kick as Buckley, but then not many are. Swan isn't even in the argument.

The fact is I would take one Buckley possession for every two of either Pendles or Swan. Plus I have never seen either of those two carry us in a game like Buckley did consistently, albeit, they have certainly had far less need to. Still, if I were to bet my life on a player coming through and winning a game for us off his own boot, Swan and Pendles wouldn't even be in the conversation IMO. Buckley, then daylight.

 

[gintekram]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

He'll never be held in the same regard as Bucks, but that's not exactly a blight on his credentials.

FWIW I rate the best Pies I've seen in this order:

1. Buckley
2. Daicos
3. Swan
----a considerable amount of daylight----
4. G Brown
5. Clement

Pendles wouldn't be far behind in a group of players that would include Millane, Didak, Williams & possibly McGuane.
Having said that, by the time Bucks' second season for Collingwood came around he was almost 23 years old - at approximately the same age Pendles has already played over 100 games (10 finals, 2 grand finals & a premership), finished top 5 in the Brownlow, Norm Smith, ANZAC medal, AA, finished top 3 in the B&F 3 times & vice captain of the club for a second consecutive year.

Really? Not sure Swan is there yet.

 

[Dundalis]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Really? Not sure Swan is there yet.

As good as Swan is, I don't think he ever will be. It's based on pure talent as much as consistent performance, and for me Swan will always fall a long way short of Buckley in this area.

Bucks was a genuine matchwinner who consistently won us games off his own boot. While Swan has less need to do just that, I regard him more as a player that contributes to the team performance rather than being a genuine matchwinner in his own right.

 

[sidebum]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

Pendles is nipping at Swan's heels and will go past him this season if he continues the improvement he has displayed on a yearly basis.

Neither of them are in the same league as Bucks was though.

 

[OniAu]

Re: Pendles good as Bucks?

50 metre pin point passes from bucks were sublime. I havent even witnessed another player in the afl kick it as good as bucks let alone a pies player.

Pendles is improving at a dramatic rate, to think hes only 22 or 23, hes only going to be coming into his prime in a few years. Swan and pendles will be remember as greats of the club for sure.