Zyrus "Waylen" Manson

[josh the gent]

Via the PSD, could we look at this guy?

I know we may not have had much luck with our indigenous recruits of the past, however if this guy works out he will be a massive weapon in the AFL.

Obviously he will take some careful and delicate management, but with the lessons learned from Josh Hill and Brennan Stack, etc, surely we are in a position to have a go.

Manson's talent far surpasses those two anyway, and for his talent alone, surely he is worth drafting...

 

[Ant_]

Would he last till our rookie pick?

 

[josh the gent]

Would he last till our rookie pick?

Not sure - not even sure he will last to our PSD pick to be honest!

 

[Gus]

Panos, Jones, Hill, Grant, Roughead, Cordy

We're covered for talls who can play forward.

 

[Dazb86]

Nope. Just had issues with a kid that wanted to go home. This guy couldn't handle the pressures of the draft testing.

 

[stefoid]

Just like tattslotto, the reward may be substantial, but the risk is too great.

 

[100action]

NO. Our club just lost Schofield, Manson cant even stay in Melbourne for a day.

 

[Eastdog]

Im just not sure with some of these players. On the one hand from what josh the gent has said he seems like a quality player who has a lot to offer but then the downside is whether he will stick around in the long term which im not sure. Zeph Skinner was brought up in another thread somewhere. How do you see Skinner as a player progressing next season. Will Skinner play more games in the senior side or play mostly at Williamstown.

 

[josh the gent]

Im just not sure with some of these players. On the one hand from what josh the gent has said he seems like a quality player who has a lot to offer but then the downside is whether he will stick around in the long term which im not sure. Zeph Skinner was brought up in another thread somewhere. How do you see Skinner as a player progressing next season. Will Skinner play more games in the senior side or play mostly at Williamstown.

With players like Skinner you never know what you are going to get. It is probably more likely that he will be a flop, but you just never know, and if he ends up being a gun, then there is soooo much to be gained.

Manson is an even greater enigma than Skinner. Seriously, the guy could be as good as Buddy Franklin, but then again, he could be a Troy Taylor (i.e. just bugger off home and we get nothing out of him). Nobody can say for sure.

What I can say, is that I would always be reluctant to spend a high-mid draft pick on a player like that. I had no problems with Skinner being drafted late (pick 89 last year I think?), because we really aren't giving away much.

Our PSD pick is the last full pick in the AFL - it's after 5 GWS picks, GC, PA, Freo, Richmond, etc. Whoever we draft will be pure speculation, and if they wind up buggering off home then really there is not a huge amount of harm done.

Also, I honestly think (based on everything I have heard in the media to date) that if any coach can get a guy to play for him, Macca is that man.

I would love to see a future Bulldogs forward line with Manson and Skinner ripping it up!!

 

[Spiritof82]

With players like Skinner you never know what you are going to get. It is probably more likely that he will be a flop, but you just never know, and if he ends up being a gun, then there is soooo much to be gained.

Manson is an even greater enigma than Skinner. Seriously, the guy could be as good as Buddy Franklin, but then again, he could be a Troy Taylor (i.e. just bugger off home and we get nothing out of him). Nobody can say for sure.

What I can say, is that I would always be reluctant to spend a high-mid draft pick on a player like that. I had no problems with Skinner being drafted late (pick 89 last year I think?), because we really aren't giving away much.

Our PSD pick is the last full pick in the AFL - it's after 5 GWS picks, GC, PA, Freo, Richmond, etc. Whoever we draft will be pure speculation, and if they wind up buggering off home then really there is not a huge amount of harm done.

Also, I honestly think (based on everything I have heard in the media to date) that if any coach can get a guy to play for him, Macca is that man.

I would love to see a future Bulldogs forward line with Manson and Skinner ripping it up!!

Isn't quiet true, we are giving away valuable salary for these guys that hang around the club for a year or two, provide nothing then go missing when they think they have been hard done by. The club needs players that are dedicated and determined to play, not country league wonders who become mummies boys when they move more than 100km from home but are still happy to collect their pay each week.

 

[RoyBoyTurnedDog]

Obviously he will take some careful and delicate management, but with the lessons learned from Josh Hill and Brennan Stack, etc, surely we are in a position to have a go.

Apart from the colour of their skin, the comparison is pointless. Should we be wary of our latest draftees because of what happened with Akermanis or Tim Walsh? Neither Hill or Stack struggled with city life or moving from their ancestral lands as far as I know, they just weren't up to standard as AFL players. Judge the kid on his merits, not his race......

 

[josh the gent]

Apart from the colour of their skin, the comparison is pointless. Should we be wary of our latest draftees because of what happened with Akermanis or Tim Walsh? Neither Hill or Stack struggled with city life or moving from their ancestral lands as far as I know, they just weren't up to standard as AFL players. Judge the kid on his merits, not his race......

Take it easy mate.

Facts are facts, and as far as percentages go, aboriginal players typically experience more difficulties leaving their home communities to play in the AFL than other races/groups. There is no racial discrimmination in that statement, just a pure observation based on fact.

It is a factor that would be considered by any club that has looked at Manson - no different to Liam Jurrah for example - or Zephi Skinner.

 

[RoyBoyTurnedDog]

Sorry, my post did come across a bit heavy handed - not trying to paint you as racist, I just don't see the need to compare this kid to Hill or Stack. Skinner maybe, in that they both come from isolated communities and it would be a challenge to move to Melbourne. Where as Stack and Hill both spent quite a while in Perth before moving to Melbourne. (David Wirrpunda used to get comments assuming he was from a remote area - he was born and raised in Carlton FFS! Likewise Sean Charles - although Healesville is kind of remote )

Again, apologies if I offended you, my post reads a bit more emotional than I intended it to be.

 

[True Dog]

Panos, Jones, Hill, Grant, Roughead, Cordy

We're covered for talls who can play forward.

Panos, Cordy and maybe even Grant can play at both ends..... We have to ask ourselves is the risk worth the reward??? You can bet your bottom dollar that some club will roll the dice...Why not us??

 

[lindsay_bulldogs]

Before Skinner I would have said yes. I got sucked in with all the hype surrounding Skinner. The reality is these guys don't make the conventional draft because they have major flaws in there games coupled with the issues of coming from remote communities. They have X factor which is good but this is usually seen once or twice a game and for the rest they are inconsistent at best. Much rather pick up a guy who is a proven WAFL, SANFL, or VFL player around 20 to 24 as a Rookie and give them a crack.

 

[Butane]

Before Skinner I would have said yes. I got sucked in with all the hype surrounding Skinner. The reality is these guys don't make the conventional draft because they have major flaws in there games coupled with the issues of coming from remote communities. They have X factor which is good but this is usually seen once or twice a game and for the rest they are inconsistent at best. Much rather pick up a guy who is a proven WAFL, SANFL, or VFL player around 20 to 24 as a Rookie and give them a crack.

I agree but I think we have enough rookie spots to take a punt with one of them. I don't know enough about Manson to say if he's the one to take but I think you gamble with x-factor in one of these positions.The rest we go for mature reliable players.

 

[Gus]

Before Skinner I would have said yes. I got sucked in with all the hype surrounding Skinner. The reality is these guys don't make the conventional draft because they have major flaws in there games coupled with the issues of coming from remote communities. They have X factor which is good but this is usually seen once or twice a game and for the rest they are inconsistent at best. Much rather pick up a guy who is a proven WAFL, SANFL, or VFL player around 20 to 24 as a Rookie and give them a crack.

Skinner made the conventional draft.

 

[Dylan Burger]

Can't see why it wouldn't be a good idea, if that spot is going to be used at all go for someone with the potential to be the best player. High risk high reward.

As far as the skinner comparison goes though, I'd say that he is fairly dedicated and not very homesick (or so it would appear). If he can go on training camps with the team to NZ and not want to run home, as well as filling in roles with things like community days and bulldogs tv, I seriously doubt he has the homesick problem, at this stage anyway. Taking him with our last draft pick is hardly a punt, because lets be honest, at 89 it's not that often you get a gem. For a rookie draft spot and manson's potential, I'd say he's well worth the risk

 

[Gus]

I seem to recall some issues with Skinner early, but they were dealt with and he seems to have been able to manage.

 

[Mutt]

I seem to recall some issues with Skinner early, but they were dealt with and he seems to have been able to manage.

I recall that Zephi spent a brief time training with Willi the year before we drafted him - might have been in the pre-season. Anyway, I think we had the opportunity to do some due diligence on Skinner before drafting him, whereas Manson will probably be a complete unknown to us (except for the numerous stories coming out of WA.)

 

[bulldogsman]

No thanks. I'd much rather find the next Michael Barlow or James Podsiadly.

The chances of this guy working out for us are next to zero. He couldn't even stay in Melbourne for the full 4 days at the draft combine. Once the endurance test came around (as well as the interviews), he made out he had an injury and then just took off. Of course only a few days later he was able to play a full game up in the Northern Territory.
Claremont couldn't even get him to stay in Perth for a week. He played a few games then he disappeared.

The last thing I want, is to waste needless time and resources on this guy. If he can't adjust to city life in Perth, there's no way he could adjust to Melbourne's. Whether he can adjust to being a full time footballer is also very questionable.

 

[Gus]

I recall that Zephi spent a brief time training with Willi the year before we drafted him - might have been in the pre-season. Anyway, I think we had the opportunity to do some due diligence on Skinner before drafting him, whereas Manson will probably be a complete unknown to us (except for the numerous stories coming out of WA.)

Plus Zephi seems a genuinely outgoing and friendly guy who'd relate to people around him and make friends easy. Compared to Troy Taylor who wasn't as outgoing and that didn't work out.

Manson could be one of the two, or somewhere in the middle. And that would require extra management.

 

[100action]

Plus Zephi seems a genuinely outgoing and friendly guy who'd relate to people around him and make friends easy. Compared to Troy Taylor who wasn't as outgoing and that didn't work out.

Manson could be one of the two, or somewhere in the middle. And that would require extra management.

troy taylor's FB during his stay with richmond had to be seen to be believed, numerous posts of his mentioned Richmond as being an "upgraded centrelink" and "only rocked up to training for the paycheck".

as for manson once again NO, please take the Fremantle approach and draft guys like Barlow, Broughton, Lower, Mzungu, Faulks, Sandilands etc, how fremantle got away with drafting solid players even when bigfooty nufties predicted they would make an impact is bewildering.

 

[Butane]

as for manson once again NO, please take the Fremantle approach and draft guys like Barlow, Broughton, Lower, Mzungu, Faulks, Sandilands etc, how fremantle got away with drafting solid players even when bigfooty nufties predicted they would make an impact is bewildering.

I've been saying it for years! There's a bloke who's won the SANFL B&F medal 3 times and was robbed in 2009 who has a solid head on his shoulders and wants to return home to Victoria. He's 26 years of age and he's an absolute football brain.

Why nobody gives this bloke a chance I'll never know. He's a lock to make it at AFL level.

 

[Gus]

James Allan.