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Pronunciation: /səˈpɔːtə/
noun

  • 1a person who approves of and encourages a public figure, political party, policy, etc.: Labour supporters
  • a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team: an Oxford United supporter
I have never in my life seen such negative comment and derision for our great club. We are 1 and 2 in after just 3 rounds. We had a very strong game against Hawthorn, played badly yet still won against Richmond and yes we got trounced by Carlton.

Combine our injuries, a change of Senior Coach and a battering in the Press and we are not doing as badly as some would have us believe.

Don't get me wrong, our start to the season hurts me as well but I am proud to call myself a "Supporter" in the true definition of the word.
 
otfc42 said:
Pronunciation: /səˈpɔːtə/
noun

  • 1a person who approves of and encourages a public figure, political party, policy, etc.: Labour supporters
  • a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team: an Oxford United supporter
I have never in my life seen such negative comment and derision for our great club. We are 1 and 2 in after just 3 rounds. We had a very strong game against Hawthorn, played badly yet still won against Richmond and yes we got trounced by Carlton.

Combine our injuries, a change of Senior Coach and a battering in the Press and we are not doing as badly as some would have us believe.

Don't get me wrong, our start to the season hurts me as well but I am proud to call myself a "Supporter" in the true definition of the word.
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Well there is no Proper Defination of Supporter in Sport.

AS we seen here there are many Type of Supporters.

There are the Types that are always postive, There are some that can be Postive and Negative depending on the Time and people who can just be Negative but Support the Team.

So I don't buy into a Dictionary telling me what a Supporter should be.

I have my way and if you don't like it then TOUGH
 
I think it's great to support, but to not cast a critical eye over events of the last few weeks is to deny intelligent thought the right to exist. There are just too many things going wrong and too many rumours floating about for people to simply accept the team at face value.

There would be a lot of soul searching going on at the club, and so there should be. It seems possible to some of us that the training schedule has been too hard, that the new assistants may not be of the same calibre as those who have left the club and that players are having problems with the new coach and game plan.

I don't really agree with you that the level of derision of the club is getting out of control. Most discussion has been constructive. Negative comments aimed at some of the players are perfectly understandable, particularly with regard to Sinclair, Wood and Buckley. This reflects a concern about our lack of depth.
 
I don't think the issue is the losses OP.

It's the manner in which the losses happened, combined with the injury list, combined with the off field drama, combined with shithouse form from top players.

It's pretty much Murphy's Law down at Westpac right now, which makes it hard.
 

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Not all supporters suck up to everyones arses and think everything is going jolly down at Collingwood. Whoever thinks that is delusional. We are struggling right at the moment and supporters get frustrated at that and that's understandable. Just shows the passion people have for the Pies. I will be positive when we are going well but if things aren't going well I will also be negative. That's just me and if people don't like what some supporters have to say you do have the option of not replying to their posts.
 
davywap said:
Is it a coincidence that the first 3 response are from 3 of the most negative posters on here?

Hmmm, I think there's something in that for everyone.
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Honestly, was there anything overly negative about my post?

Stop being a jerk and add something constructive or just shut up.
 
a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team:
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But by that definition, criticism has to be part of it.

You don't achieve anything in life, or in a sport by not learning from your mistakes, taking in criticism and improving because of it.

Last Friday Night's performance is open for crtiticism, and so are many other factors that have taken us to this point of the season so far.

The part of that definition that states "actively interested" to me requires an individual to question what is going wrong, while in the same breath continuing to support the team and wish it any future success.

A "supporter" isn't a follower, they are not blind in their support of the team, they see problems, comment on them and move on.

I'll continue to criticise if I want, because without improvement, the team I support isn't going to get back on track and achieve success long term, that's a simple fact of life, and sport.
 
I think that when someones criticieses its ok if its constructive. I hate whining going seasons over oh we suck wa wa wa.

I think pointing out a deficiency, saying what you would do to improve the situation and making it an opportunity its quite alright. Look no ones perfect and everyone is with in their right to post however they like within the rules of big footy :)
 
mattys123 said:
But by that definition, criticism has to be part of it.

You don't achieve anything in life, or in a sport by not learning from your mistakes, taking in criticism and improving because of it.

Last Friday Night's performance is open for crtiticism, and so are many other factors that have taken us to this point of the season so far.

The part of that definition that states "actively interested" to me requires an individual to question what is going wrong, while in the same breath continuing to support the team and wish it any future success.

A "supporter" isn't a follower, they are not blind in their support of the team, they see problems, comment on them and move on.

I'll continue to criticise if I want, because without improvement, the team I support isn't going to get back on track and achieve success long term, that's a simple fact of life, and sport.
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I couldn't agree more in regards to criticism and it's in the way it's delivered to how effective it is.

I wasn't singling anyone out in regards to this post but with some of the comments already it's quite obvious that people have simply read the definition and not the entire post.

Have no problems with the way you post Matty and it's often well structured with constructive argument/criticism. And by the way, I hope Clarke has a blinder for his 50th :)
 
otfc42 said:
You may not "buy into a Dictionary telling me what a Supporter should be", however after seeing your many posts. I really think you should "buy a Dictionary"
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Time to owe this thread, as it is just becoming a slogging match.
TD is entitled to his opinion, as are you, but I think you are now taking it a bit far.

End thread
 
davywap said:
Is it a coincidence that the first 3 response are from 3 of the most negative posters on here?

Hmmm, I think there's something in that for everyone.
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So where is your positive contribution to this debate? Mr Positivity indeed! Incidentally, you can't post much here because I cannot recall ever seeing your username. What is 'Davywap' supposed to signify?
 

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otfc42 said:
You may not "buy into a Dictionary telling me what a Supporter should be", however after seeing your many posts. I really think you should "buy a Dictionary"
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And you should buy a bit of sensitivity from somewhere.
 
I am actively interested in and wish the club success. I don't see anything about not being upset when we play shit in your definition.


Why are people obsessed with posting this kinda stuff, "Look at me I never say a bad word about the club, I am a hero."

Next time we get smashed by 60 points by our arch rival I will try and laugh it off
 
otfc42 said:
You may not "buy into a Dictionary telling me what a Supporter should be", however after seeing your many posts. I really think you should "buy a Dictionary"
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I think you might need a Red Card
 
I'd argue it's the super positive supporters that aren't real supporters.

Being super positive all the time gets you nowhere. Criticism, and expectation of excellence is what drives and makes you better.

This bullshit "participation ribbon" attitude a lot of Collingwood supporters have is borderline sickening.
 

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Shpeshal Ed said:
I'd argue it's the super positive supporters that aren't real supporters.

Being super positive all the time gets you nowhere. Criticism, and expectation of excellence is what drives and makes you better.

This bullshit "participation ribbon" attitude a lot of Collingwood supporters have is borderline sickening.
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Ed, I don't have a problem with criticism of the Pies. We're a passionate group and this forum is a good place to voice our frustrations. We all love the team and we share the joy when success comes our way.

Criticism (objective) and expectation is the job of the coaching department not ours. That doesn't mean that we can't observe and state the obvious.

I felt disappointment in our application last week and I was happy to be able to post my thoughts here amongst like minded ... mostly :), people. We do go over the top though with our criticism, it's a fair call.
 
IMO, the ones that aren't TRUE supporters are the "supporters" that jeered the players off the ground. (If it happened).
 
TheFreshBanana said:
IMO, the ones that aren't TRUE supporters are the "supporters" that jeered the players off the ground. (If it happened).
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There weren't too many Pie fans jeering players off the ground last week, mainly because that negative element had already left (probably at 3/4 time).

I've never booed/jeered a side off the ground, yes I have been disgusted in some performances in my time of watching the Pies play, but what does doing that to a team achieve?:confused:
 
mattys123 said:
There weren't too many Pie fans jeering players off the ground last week, mainly because that negative element had already left (probably at 3/4 time).

I've never booed/jeered a side off the ground, yes I have been disgusted in some performances in my time of watching the Pies play, but what does doing that to a team achieve?:confused:
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Get's it off your Chest
 
It's already been said, people should be able to post whatever they like on these forums. And sensitive folks just need to look the other way....but

but when so-called supporters trash Collingwood footballers, especially the younger ones, then I find it hard to believe that they are supporters.

So when I look at Malthouse, I can see that he is no longer a supporter because earlier in the week, he openly discussed the alleged failures of Swan and Tarrant in last years grand final. It's ok for him. He's a journo, not a supporter. I wouldnt do it. I support the team.

I think there is nothing wrong with saying that the team will need to improve. Nothing wrong with discussing the game plan. Nothing wrong with criticising structures etc.......all of this within reason. If you join a conga of ferals posting crap after a loss, then I dont think you're much of a supporter, but well explained criticism is ok....but I would never say a player needs to be traded etc. I couldnt do that and call myself a supporter.
 

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