Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[TennisPlayerAndy]

And of course he said that the multiple club second case he was refering to came from the report yeah?

Nah, he just made it up.....

 

[Travisty]

And of course he said that the multiple club second case he was refering to came from the report yeah?

Answer this question: What was the purpose of the AFL press conference/statement today?

 

[sr36]

If they are cleared it means there has been no wrong doing, why would it not be tenable?

If they are cleared by ASADA, the coaches and administration will still go down as it's pretty clear that they coerced their employees into being guinea pigs in experimental medicine. I'd say this almost definitely breaks agreements with player unions and AFL rules, as well as probably breaking Australian laws.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Yeah we're under investigation. Congrats.

Where did Gil say we're the club in the report?

I know it isnt clear cut, i understand your arguement, the report mentions 1 team systematically doping, Gil says Essendon is the team being investigated for substance abuse of multiple players.

That is the link, the report mentions one team who systematically doped, your the team being investigated for multiple breaches?

 

[boncer34]

Ok well nobody else is bothering with that connection so I see where the misunderstanding is coming from. It makes little difference at this stage to the deepness of Essendons shitness.

Needless to say Essendon is the only AFL club that its likely to be. And the most recent employer of Dank.

Correct. Everybody else is willing to make that connection without any proof. I'm not arguing we're not under investigation.

I'm arguing that Gil hasn't said anything we didn't already know. People are going into meltdown claiming he said we're the team in the report. He didn't.

If I'm proven wrong you'll be second on my list Timmy.

 

[boncer34]

Answer this question: What was the purpose of the AFL press conference/statement today?

To state that they knew of two instances. One which we can presume safely came from the report. One involving Essendon which as far as we know commenced Thursday.

Answer this question: Did Gil say today Essendon are the team in the report?

 

[Ghostwriter]

Today's naming names would be a disservice to the ACCC's ploy to get players to "come forward".

If you were on PED's, and you didn't play for Essendon, would you volunteer yourself now, thinking there's only 1 other player in the league they know of?

Good point, but it is a hopeful ploy, imagine if the chief of police stood up in front of the press and said, to all you crims out there please come forward.

 

[theflea]

If I am proven to have been given false information I will apologise for passing it on to the BF community.

If however, I am proven to be correct, I will expect apologies from all those Essendon supporters who have said I have been fabricating events.


Thank you.

What was the info?

 

[Stamos]

Lols if the single player at another club was Goddard

 

[Air_Chester]

Thats ASADAs call.

I was referring to the possible ASADA sanctions, should have added that in.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I have honestly never come across this before and a quick Google search is only coming up with recent articles. Do you have a date range or anything so I can investigate further. Were there newspaper articles etc?

I doubt you'd find any articles mentioning the rumour, tbh. It's probably horseshit, I only mentioned it because some people have used the current investigation as a way of reinforcing the older rumour from his playing days.

 

[Defacto]

i'm starting to hear rumors of essendon approaching VFL players. one is a ruckmen that was signed up.

anyone heard similar stories?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

What was the info?

It's scattered repeatedly over the last 500 pages!

 

[SnowRoo]

Lols if the single player at another club was Goddard

Beat me to it.

Birds of a feather........

 

[whiteoak]

boncer34

 

[Silvagnis]

Lance, Pazza, fish- seriously dudes this is the time for defence and appearance. Its not done yet, come on boys..

Should Mark McVeigh and Taylor Walker apologise to Reimers?

Dale Lewis all over again.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Yeah how dare Essendon fans get upset about the possibility of no team for 2 years!

I don't remember them ever crying too many tears for anyone else.

In fact, I remember the exact opposite.

 

[mike14]

If they are cleared by ASADA, the coaches and administration will still go down as it's pretty clear that they coerced their employees into being guinea pigs in experimental medicine. I'd say this almost definitely breaks agreements with player unions and AFL rules, as well as probably breaking Australian laws.

You might have to step me through this one. If they are cleared it means everything was 'above board', it means there's no coercion (and I doubt there is anyway) and that no-one was a guinea pig as they were given forms stating what was going in them. In that case how were any laws broken and why are the coaches and administrators going down

 

[Travisty]

To state that they knew of two instances. One which we can presume safely came from the report. One involving Essendon which as far as we know commenced Thursday.

Answer this question: Did Gil say today Essendon are the team in the report?

So it is safe to presume that the incident regarding the single player is the one from the report, but the one involving Essendon is NOT from the report.. Why?

Answer to your question: Yes.

 

[TerryWallet]

I was referring to the possible ASADA sanctions, should have added that in.

ASADA will say tough t***ies to the players. Unless the player/players name names and help with convictions.

Harsh but necessary.

 

[boncer34]

So it is safe to presume that the incident regarding the single player is the one from the report, but the one involving Essendon is NOT from the report.. Why?

Answer to your question: Yes.

Because the player in question hasn't come forward. I presume there is no other way for the AFL to know.

Essendon however came forward so there is a perfectly logical reason.

BTW can you please provide the quote from Gil. Ta love.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You're a moderator and you post stuff like this? Pretty disappointing.

The poster was questioning how it could come to be that someone would query Hird's involvement with the current peptide investigation, and link it with his playing days.

I simply suggested that there was once a rumour about him during his playing days, as I stated in that post, it's probably horseshit, but it's out there and has been for years.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Please do. If the investigation comes up with no wrong doing (and that's the hypothetical I ran with in my opening post) then why would Hird's job be untenable? Go nuts...

At present Hird is the leader of a club that has;
- Allowed its sport science staff to administer substances that he cannot verify are legal.
- Allowed its sport science staff to administer substances that were so controversial it's leadership group requested 'consent forms'.
- Allowed its sport science staff to be lead by an unregistered 'sports scientist' that was turned away from the GCFC. This has culminated in the worst injury run at the club if not in its history, then certainly in its last 15 odd years.
- Has members of its staff under investigation for criminal activity.

All this culminates in considerable stress on players who are (unwittingly) the subject of criminal and doping investigations.

Is that trust repairable? We shall see.

 

[strobe00]

Today's naming names would be a disservice to the ACCC's ploy to get players to "come forward".

If you were on PED's, and you didn't play for Essendon, would you volunteer yourself now, thinking there's only 1 other player in the league they know of?

Well, they did say one player. Maybe a few blokes might think they're that one player.

But yeah, it does take a bit of the bite away. And I'm glad it has, because it reduces the amount of speculative sh*t being thrown around.

Very happy with it. ACC has had enough time to gather evidence. It's up to them to run with what they've got and try to squeeze as much as they can out of whoever they have right now... rather than let the sport be tarnished further in the hope that more guilty folks will own up.

 

[boncer34]

The poster was questioning how it could come to be that someone would query Hird's involvement with the current peptide investigation, and link it with his playing days.

I simply suggested that there was once a rumour about him during his playing days, as I stated in that post, it's probably horseshit, but it's out there and has been for years.

Any evidence other then your word its been out there for years and years?