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bouncing back said:
if we picked players on whether they were good blokes mcgill wouldn't have played a test.:p

watson was a success in england but he's beginning to be found out now. i'd have rogers before him anyday.
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Sorry can't let you bag MacGilla. Macgilla called a spade a spade, if he thought you were a shit bloke he would tell you. As a lowly 5th grader in Sydney many moons ago I was lucky enough to have a lengthy chat with the great man after play in our clubrooms long after the tossers had left when he was just making his way for NSW. At that stage there was a bit of baggage associated with him for infamously donging his own captain on the field during a semi final the previous year. Knowing the guy that he donged and hearing the story, I have nothing but praise for him. A different cat yes, but certainly not in the shit bloke category IMO.:thumbsdown:

His call on SBS for full umpire technology to be used and a hat rack with an automatic clicker to be at the bowlers end was just priceless!
 
western royboy said:
Katich is the classic example and spent a few years on the scrap heap until the wives were forced to patch up their feud.
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Was this the situation during the Ashes in 05, that Gilchrist and Ponting have touched upon but never gone into details? If so details please :p
 
western royboy said:
Look at the mode of dismissal for Watson in his last 20 innings. I think you will find LBW appears far too often.
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Since taking over as ODI opener (26 innings), he's been dismissed LBW 6 times.

In his 5 innings as test opener, 4 LBW dismissals.

So in ODIs it's no concern whatsoever. And in those tests it could be put down to lack of opening experience, english swinging conditions, duke balls etc.

The Watson/LBW conspiracy just seems to me to be an excuse to bag him.
 

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ManWithNoName said:
Since taking over as ODI opener (26 innings), he's been dismissed LBW 6 times.

In his 5 innings as test opener, 4 LBW dismissals.

So in ODIs it's no concern whatsoever. And in those tests it could be put down to lack of opening experience, english swinging conditions, duke balls etc.

The Watson/LBW conspiracy just seems to me to be an excuse to bag him.
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Yeah that was a vicious delivery he copped tonight. Ease up you blokes.
 
ILY Leonard said:
why does he question the logic of including watson, when watto averaged 48 in the ashes with 3 half centuries from 5 innings? I'd say that is one of the few decisions they got right. he had a chance and he failed twice and as a result we lost our first test for ages.
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I agree, Watson justified the selectors faith to pick him. Hughes and Jaques are way in front of Rogers at the moment becuase they have proven themselves at the highest level.

I would still prefer one of these two to come back intot he side as an opener, drop hussey and place watson at 4 or 5. North needs to add more consistency to his game at the moment is 10 or 100.

western royboy said:
Sorry can't let you bag MacGilla. Macgilla called a spade a spade,
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Agreed, he was an arrogant bloke but he knew and didnt shy away from it...a bit like watching Richo play footy...something enetertaining will always happen!
 
Hellgood said:
Was this the situation during the Ashes in 05, that Gilchrist and Ponting have touched upon but never gone into details? If so details please :p
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Wives had a MAJOR failling out on tour including a catfight in the team hotel. Really upset the team harmony so those in the know say.

At the end of the tour exit S Katich for several years.
 
legend166 said:
I often wonder when you hear the "doesn't get picked for 'personality' reasons" line, what it actually means.

Are these guys legitimately w***ers, or do they not fit in the 'blokey' culture of guys who don't get pissed after the game and so on?
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I think the term is "Not a Good Tourist" ie. do they contribute positively:) emphasis the "positively" to the team when they are in it.

Read between the lines, these guys may either sulk, get ths shits or not show the due respect that being a member of this most exclusive of clubs requires.

I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with whether they get on the piss or not (not in 2days age) it is about team dynamics and fitting in.

Brad Hodge and Rogers on the surface of it are entitled to feel shafted, BUT.......if they are honest with themselves they should be able to look back and see where they burnt their bridges and at this point they remain as they are.

You may only get 1 or 2 chances to get into that room and wear that cap, so when you do you would want to ensure you do everything possible to stay there or ensure that the door always remains open at some later point.....Not slammed in your face with the doors locked and Security Dog on guard.
 
2010/11 cost him big time. He was forced to wait a long time for a vacancy in the opening role - he got a shot in failed in 2008. For so long he was seemingly the next in line with Hayden, Langer then Katich, then Jaques in front of him. Then Hughes burst onto the scene, then Watson turned into a very solid opener. 2010/11 was when it looked like everything was bursting at the seams for us and he was injured, and when he was playing he couldn't score a run. It was debatable whether they would've picked him anyway given the reluctance to give him a shot prior to that season.

At 35 it's unlikely he's gonna get a chance now, but we could do a lot worse than him. Nearly 20,000 runs (and will probably end up hitting the 20k mark) for 1 test is a tough run.
 

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Four openers in out team is enough I'd say.
 

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bird_man said:
I'd say I'd rather a quality, in form opener batting in the middle order than an ordinary middle order batsman in ordinary form.
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He's is 35, he had his chance when Hayden retired. Really shouldn't be an option.
 
The Reaper said:
Cowan's previous shield seasons were just as good when he was selected.
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I don't really see what relevance that has to this. Cowan not being able to replicate his his form from the Shield at the top level shouldn't be a mark against performing in the Shield. Cowan isn't a reflection on the Sheffield Shield, just because he hasn't stepped up in test matches, doesn't mean anyone else who performs in the Shield should be written off. If that were the standards, what would the criteria for being selected be? I'd much rather have a system where people who have consistently performed domestically get opportunities and if they fail, the next best domestic performer gets a go as opposed to picking on gut feel.

Rattled on a bit there, but my main point is that scoring runs domestically should still be the main selection criteria and shouldn't stop just because one player looks like he can't make the step up. Not advocating selecting Rogers btw, that ship has sailed.
 

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