Teams 2013 Rate my Dream Team

[FlowersByIrene]

It seems you continue to throw bait so sure, I will show you my lineup for now. It usually changes after every night of NAB Cup matches. Just throwing ideas out there. Also are you saying it's wrong because you don't agree with it? Whatever happened with people having their own opinion?

Im saying its wrong because you appear to be trolling or purposefully trying to get people to consider poor options. IMO (For example Monfries after the bye rounds, due to a slight hammy, where is the logic there)

And also BJ in the middle??

J. Thurlow vs J. Viney/K.Mitchel/L.Whitfield/N.Graham etc


Also it would appear to me that you have

3 who almost definitely wont play round 1 (Mitchell, Rowe, Neade)
3 who are not locks to play and if they play will score sub 50 (Stevenson, Currie, Lee)
1 who is still risky (Docherty)
1 who we'll have to wait and see, if he plays will score but wont neccesarily play (Crouch)


As it has been stated here before Rookies don't normally matter at this stage because we'll wait for Round 1 line ups but you're problem is you have some of the cheapest rookies.

What happens when the only rookies playign roudn 1 are

Whitifield, O'Rourke, Mayes, Daniher, Maccaffer, Pittard, etc

You'll have to downgrade a premium and you're already really short on premiums in the FWD line and Backline


Edit jsut saw you chaged the BJ things anyway

 

[Trav 20]

Certainly not sold on Byrnes either.

The last time Byrnes was a regular at Geelong he had years scoring 77 and 81. He'll be a regular at Melbourne and is priced at 44. He'll play every game, so JS is great and he'll make you money. You'll up grade him, but he's a sound pick, especially when the forward-line is light on for decent rookies.

And yes, I realise Melbourne isn't Geelong. But I see him averaging 70+.

 

[Krujan]

The last time Byrnes was a regular at Geelong he had years scoring 77 and 81. He'll be a regular at Melbourne and is priced at 44. He'll play every game, so JS is great and he'll make you money. You'll up grade him, but he's a sound pick, especially when the forward-line is light on for decent rookies.

And yes, I realise Melbourne isn't Geelong. But I see him averaging 70+.

He really improved his defensive game (as in tackle count) in the VFL last year averaging 95DT if I'm not mistaken. I think he could easily go 75+ and end up a strong forward benchie much like Porps last year...for those who hang on to him.

 

[Jobe3votes]

Im saying its wrong because you appear to be trolling or purposefully trying to get people to consider poor options. IMO (For example Monfries after the bye rounds, due to a slight hammy, where is the logic there)

And also BJ in the middle??

J. Thurlow vs J. Viney/K.Mitchel/L.Whitfield/N.Graham etc


Also it would appear to me that you have

3 who almost definitely wont play round 1 (Mitchell, Rowe, Neade)
3 who are not locks to play and if they play will score sub 50 (Stevenson, Currie, Lee)
1 who is still risky (Docherty)
1 who we'll have to wait and see, if he plays will score but wont neccesarily play (Crouch)


As it has been stated here before Rookies don't normally matter at this stage because we'll wait for Round 1 line ups but you're problem is you have some of the cheapest rookies.

What happens when the only rookies playign roudn 1 are

Whitifield, O'Rourke, Mayes, Daniher, Maccaffer, Pittard, etc

You'll have to downgrade a premium and you're already really short on premiums in the FWD line and Backline


Edit jsut saw you chaged the BJ things anyway

Macaffer isn't a rookie
Rowe is my 4th ruck, to be used as DPP with Cox.
Crouch well everyone is picking him and got 19 touches in todays practise match vs Fremantle.
Mitchell is a stop gap pick, well until I finalise that spot. I wont be picking him.
Neade most definately wont play round 1? He was all the rage in the NAB Cup match, odds are he will if he keeps playing like that.
Currie is picked by alot also and I feel is 2nd in line for the main ruck spot at Kangaroos.
Docherty is also picked by alot of people on here and is 1 of a few Lions players who is an option to fill the game down back.
Lee is 50/50 to staying my lineup, will have to show something before round 1, may change it, but stays there for now.

But thankyou for your feedback, will take on board

 

[Jobe3votes]

Matthew Wright (16 possessions) till he was subbed out at half-time Liking that for sure.

 

[Krujan]

Macaffer isn't a rookie
Rowe is my 4th ruck, to be used as DPP with Cox.
Crouch well everyone is picking him and got 19 touches in todays practise match vs Fremantle.
Mitchell is a stop gap pick, well until I finalise that spot. I wont be picking him.
Neade most definately wont play round 1? He was all the rage in the NAB Cup match, odds are he will if he keeps playing like that.
Currie is picked by alot also and I feel is 2nd in line for the main ruck spot at Kangaroos.
Docherty is also picked by alot of people on here and is 1 of a few Lions players who is an option to fill the game down back.
Lee is 50/50 to staying my lineup, will have to show something before round 1, may change it, but stays there for now.

But thankyou for your feedback, will take on board

I don't know why anyone would bother justifying their pre-season bench rookie selections. They're all just speculative if/until they're named for Rd1. You just wasted 5 minutes of your life that you will never get back...

 

[VSTone]

Crouch well everyone is picking him and got 19 touches in todays practise match vs Fremantle.

15 handballs

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Crouch also only averaged 55 DT points at the lower leagues and will wear the vest. Not sure why everybody is picking him.

 

[Keystone agony]

Matthew Wright (16 possessions) till he was subbed out at half-time Liking that for sure.

15 handballs

Where you guys getting the stats from?

 

[Matching Mole]

Anyone tempted by Sloane this year? I know we're not short of midfield guns to choose from but his first half of 2012 was very good before he tired. Another pre-season on and there's no reason he couldn't start 2013 with a bang.

 

[Keystone agony]

Crouch also only averaged 55 DT points at the lower leagues and will wear the vest. Not sure why everybody is picking him.

Yeh best not because he avg so lowly in another lesser league. For your info your reading a little bit too much into that sort of thing.

Anyway crows no longer have Tippett, Doughty and B.Smith (start) for the year. Thats 3 gaping holes that need to be filled. The crows look like they might only play 2 tall forwards (Jenkins and Tippett) so it means an extra small is added based on last years team.

They then have to cover the loss of 2 rebounding defender types. Whos to say they will remain clean until round 1 starts from here on in aswell? no team does another injury and 4 players need to be picked that were not picked last year. Crouch most certainly would be one of the first in line. Clearance work, 19 posses today shows he has DT capabilities he also had some big games in the SANFL last year.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Where you guys getting the stats from?

AFC and Freo websites.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yeh best not because he avg so lowly in another lesser league. For your info your reading a little bit too much into that sort of thing.

Crouch's game is built off of two things:
a) Being a man-child.
b) Quick handballs out of pressure.
Now, he was much bigger than most of the other players he was against in the lower leagues, and he still didn't average very well. That doesn't bode well for him at AFL level. As for b, players with this role don't score all that well, and I can't see his role changing from what he's best at. I'm not reading too far into the numbers, I'm reading into his role in a team.

I just think there are far better options. If he ends up being a huge money maker this year, fantastic, I'll wear that - but the amount of hype around him being one of the first-picked midfield rookies is a bit eccentric.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Crouch's game is built off of two things:
a) Being a man-child.
b) Quick handballs out of pressure.
Now, he was much bigger than most of the other players he was against in the lower leagues, and he still didn't average very well. That doesn't bode well for him at AFL level. As for b, players with this role don't score all that well, and I can't see his role changing from what he's best at. I'm not reading too far into the numbers, I'm reading into his role in a team.

I just think there are far better options. If he ends up being a huge money maker this year, fantastic, I'll wear that - but the amount of hype around him being one of the first-picked midfield rookies is a bit eccentric.

Don't diss my boy!!!

Facts are that his JS has always been steady, and as a result of Brodie Smith doing his collarbone, this will re-assure Crouch's JS in the team, either at half back, half forward or whatever. He is dirt cheap like O'Meara, and has the potential to rack up touches. His k2h ratio may be outta wack, but I can see him being a good marking defender in link-up play if he played in defense.

/crowscolouredglasses...

 

[Keystone agony]

Crouch's game is built off of two things:
a) Being a man-child.
b) Quick handballs out of pressure.
Now, he was much bigger than most of the other players he was against in the lower leagues, and he still didn't average very well. That doesn't bode well for him at AFL level. As for b, players with this role don't score all that well, and I can't see his role changing from what he's best at. I'm not reading too far into the numbers, I'm reading into his role in a team.

I just think there are far better options. If he ends up being a huge money maker this year, fantastic, I'll wear that - but the amount of hype around him being one of the first-picked midfield rookies is a bit eccentric.

I agree with what you have said to a degree.

So you wouldnt be touching Wines either considering he fits the same category to an even worse extreme?

However im not sure what role he will play i dont think he will be the number one inside midfielder at the crows with ST, Danger, Vince, Sloane, NVB, Mackay, Wright roaming the midfield. He wouldnt get put ahead of any of them.

I think people get really excited by him because he was that GWS mini early pick and they become based price but are the best players.

Did he avg 55 at SANFL level? if so thats against men and is very impressive. Remember state league stats are and have been always a lot less than AFL level.

I think people are certainly picking Jaeger and Viney ahead of him but than hes probably next in line on most list and i dont see a problem with that.

For me i dont lock anyway away as a lock in just yet. Every spot is up for grabs and that is decided after the full NAB games. Im still far from making my decisions on anyone and i usually dont enter the afl dreamteam site much between this time and after NAB grandfinal time. Its more notes on games and watching games.

It would be interesting to know how many rookies you are starting in the mids? under Whitfields price? and whether he is apart of that mix or whos in front of him for you?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Don't diss my boy!!!

Facts are that his JS has always been steady, and as a result of Brodie Smith doing his collarbone, this will re-assure Crouch's JS in the team, either at half back, half forward or whatever. He is dirt cheap like O'Meara, and has the potential to rack up touches. His k2h ratio may be outta wack, but I can see him being a good marking defender in link-up play if he played in defense.

/crowscolouredglasses...

Haha, don't get me wrong: Crouch, like O'Meara, is going to be a star. I'm just not sure he'll score as highly as people make him out to. Will start on my bench, if at all.

That only confirms his spot until Smith is back in ~round 6, though. I'd rather a rookie who plays two matches in the first five and averages 70-80 than someone who plays all five and averages 50.

There is nothing - yet - to suggest he'll improve on his showings in the lower competition, where he averaged a measly 0.72 DT points per minute - as a comparison, barely considered Tom Temay scored 1.03 p/m. I'm not saying pick Temay, I'm just showing that Crouch hasn't shown much to suggest he'll score well in the AFL. If he lights up the rest of the pre-season, awesome, he's a starter - but the fact that he should be in everybody's team because he will score easily is just not true. JS isn't everything, and right now he hasn't shown enough.

With the huge amount of trades this year, clever money-making is key - and I just don't see it with Crouch yet.

 

[Keystone agony]

Haha, don't get me wrong: Crouch, like O'Meara, is going to be a star. I'm just not sure he'll score as highly as people make him out to. Will start on my bench, if at all.

That only confirms his spot until Smith is back in ~round 6, though. I'd rather a rookie who plays two matches in the first five and averages 70-80 than someone who plays all five and averages 50.

There is nothing - yet - to suggest he'll improve on his showings in the lower competition, where he averaged a measly 0.72 DT points per minute - as a comparison, barely considered Tom Temay scored 1.03 p/m. I'm not saying pick Temay, I'm just showing that Crouch hasn't shown much to suggest he'll score well in the AFL. If he lights up the rest of the pre-season, awesome, he's a starter - but the fact that he should be in everybody's team because he will score easily is just not true. JS isn't everything, and right now he hasn't shown enough.

With the huge amount of trades this year, clever money-making is key - and I just don't see it with Crouch yet.

Temay played against boys

Crouch played against AFL bodied men

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I agree with what you have said to a degree.

So you wouldnt be touching Wines either considering he fits the same category to an even worse extreme?

However im not sure what role he will play i dont think he will be the number one inside midfielder at the crows with ST, Danger, Vince, Sloane, NVB, Mackay, Wright roaming the midfield. He wouldnt get put ahead of any of them.

I think people get really excited by him because he was that GWS mini early pick and they become based price but are the best players.

Did he avg 55 at SANFL level? if so thats against men and is very impressive. Remember state league stats are and have been always a lot less than AFL level.

I think people are certainly picking Jaeger and Viney ahead of him but than hes probably next in line on most list and i dont see a problem with that.

For me i dont lock anyway away as a lock in just yet. Every spot is up for grabs and that is decided after the full NAB games. Im still far from making my decisions on anyone and i usually dont enter the afl dreamteam site much between this time and after NAB grandfinal time. Its more notes on games and watching games.

It would be interesting to know how many rookies you are starting in the mids? under Whitfields price? and whether he is apart of that mix or whos in front of him for you?

Wines had a K:H ratio of 1.2 last year, racked up over 7 tackles per match, and averaged something like 25 disposals per match - that's why he's priced much higher. He averaged 98 DT points - 1.29 per minute. Wines has shown more to indicate that he will score well at AFL level.

That's fair enough mate and my comment isn't a, "He shouldn't be in anyone's team," - it was more intended to show that he's not the second coming of Jesus like a huge portion of DTers seem to think. I've had him in and out of my team at various times; I'm just not sure he's the best option until he shows more.

I'm not sure if it's SANFL or not; has it listed as "NAB AFL Under-18s". I don't really follow the lower leagues so I'm not sure, haha.

I'm only starting two rookies at the moment in the Jaegermeister and Viney, but that's of course subject to change.

All I'm really saying is that he's not a lock, and alternatives should definitely be considered at this point.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Haha, don't get me wrong: Crouch, like O'Meara, is going to be a star. I'm just not sure he'll score as highly as people make him out to. Will start on my bench, if at all.

That only confirms his spot until Smith is back in ~round 6, though. I'd rather a rookie who plays two matches in the first five and averages 70-80 than someone who plays all five and averages 50.

There is nothing - yet - to suggest he'll improve on his showings in the lower competition, where he averaged a measly 0.72 DT points per minute - as a comparison, barely considered Tom Temay scored 1.03 p/m. I'm not saying pick Temay, I'm just showing that Crouch hasn't shown much to suggest he'll score well in the AFL. If he lights up the rest of the pre-season, awesome, he's a starter - but the fact that he should be in everybody's team because he will score easily is just not true. JS isn't everything, and right now he hasn't shown enough.

With the huge amount of trades this year, clever money-making is key - and I just don't see it with Crouch yet.

Take into account though that he did not set the world on fire in the SANFL due to hamstring injuries earlier in the season, and that in itself would've meant that he could've been nursed into the first few rounds or even months, to make sure he didn't get injured again. That would've meant less time on ground and playing in less dangerous positions. I'd like to see his averages in the 2nd half of the year, because that was when he was starting to come into his own.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Just found that he did in fact average 68 in the SANFL, which is very decent. Wasn't aware he had an injury. Definitely under consideration now, but as I said, not a lock just yet.

Any idea why he didn't play NAB r1, BoshtrichBurger...? Likely for r2?

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Just found that he did in fact average 68 in the SANFL, which is very decent. Wasn't aware he had an injury. Definitely under consideration now, but as I said, not a lock just yet.

Any idea why he didn't play NAB r1, BoshtrichBurger...? Likely for r2?

He did play Round 1... Against Saints and Port? Yep, he did.

Didn't really set the world on fire, but was consistent. He should be in all pre-season games.

 

[Keystone agony]

Wines had a K:H ratio of 1.2 last year, racked up over 7 tackles per match, and averaged something like 25 disposals per match - that's why he's priced much higher. He averaged 98 DT points - 1.29 per minute. Wines has shown more to indicate that he will score well at AFL level.

That's fair enough mate and my comment isn't a, "He shouldn't be in anyone's team," - it was more intended to show that he's not the second coming of Jesus like a huge portion of DTers seem to think. I've had him in and out of my team at various times; I'm just not sure he's the best option until he shows more.

I'm not sure if it's SANFL or not; has it listed as "NAB AFL Under-18s". I don't really follow the lower leagues so I'm not sure, haha.

I'm only starting two rookies at the moment in the Jaegermeister and Viney, but that's of course subject to change.

All I'm really saying is that he's not a lock, and alternatives should definitely be considered at this point.

Nope hes priced higher because he was pick 7 a high pick at port (think he was pick 7 maybe 8 not sure but still point made). You do understand the pricing right?

Also ill say it again Wines played against boys, Crouch against ex AFL hardened bodied men.

Had Crouch played VFL he wouldve done much better than Temay.

Its certainly clear that Crouch doesnt mind a handball but if hes gonna get 20 of them a game than im not fazed. He also likes a tackle. Hes also 108k where Wines is not so picking Wines over crouch youd expect a much greater avg.

So who are your 2 non starting rookies on the midfield bench?

Agree hes not a lock - no one is in my book and alternatives have to always be considered

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

He did play Round 1... Against Saints and Port? Yep, he did.

Didn't really set the world on fire, but was consistent. He should be in all pre-season games.

Oh man, my bad, I watched both of those matches and didn't even notice him.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Oh man, my bad, I watched both of those matches and didn't even notice him.

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[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Agree hes not a lock - no one is in my book and alternatives have to always be considered

And that's the only point I'm trying to make.

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To be fair, I was watching a few Adelaide uniques very, very closely, so I'm not surprised I missed him.