No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[militiaa]

Another outburst from Caro....
the bottom line of this is the Cha-ching, and guess how they make that Cha-Ching, people reading it,
Well done we have assisted in this.

Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[kfc1]

He said hird is coach and they all want him back but the decision was made because of the agenda of a few journos

This is the disgusting part. We should know by now that NOTHING we do could ever get the media off our backs. Why disadvantage ourselves to try something that won't work?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

This is the disgusting part. We should know by now that NOTHING we do could ever get the media off our backs. Why disadvantage ourselves to try something that won't work?

Winning our #17 flag

 

[letstayunited]

The other concern with allowing the media to affect decisions at board level is that it provides positive reinforcement to them. The club really needs to stand up. I hate to say it but I wish we had someone with the gumption of Eddie McGuire at board level.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

The other concern with allowing the media to affect decisions at board level is that it provides positive reinforcement to them. The club really needs to stand up. I hate to say it but I wish we had someone with the gumption of Eddie McGuire at board level.

We need to take a leaf out of the Israeli book here. Just not give a **** what the rest of the world thinks ,and do what is best for us and ours.

 

[eddie_punchclock]

We need to take a leaf out of the Israeli book here.

No thanks

 

[yodellinhank]

Just wondering whether there is the same enthusiasm for Hird now than there has been in the past from our supporters or do you think there are many who are starting to waver? Is he the same spiritual and untouchable figure he has always been?

Also if there is an internal conspiracy (for wont of a better word) to oust him from coaching next year what would he do? Where would he go?

As I said in the Hird suspension positives thread, it is an absolute myth about Hird being untouchable. A skinny kid who wasn't going to make it, whose body wasn't up to it, who had his faced smashed in, had a run in with the umpires... after every setback he got stronger.

I'm prepared to wait and see if the same will happen for him as a coach.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

No thanks

I don't agree with what they're doing at all. I admire their ability to be completely oblivious to what the entire rest of the world is saying.

 

[Bennett.]

We need to take a leaf out of the Israeli book here. Just not give a **** what the rest of the world thinks ,and do what is best for us and ours.

yes, just not care...

*putting my rocket launcher away*...

 

[eddie_punchclock]

Another outburst from Caro....
the bottom line of this is the Cha-ching, and guess how they make that Cha-Ching, people reading it,
Well done we have assisted in this.

Nothing more and nothing less.

I stopped reading her garbage a long time ago.
A click on one of her articles is analogous to walking into a public bathroom & peeking under the toilet lids.

 

[yaco55]

I am very disappointed with the (multiple) posters here who think that Hird and others should go if players are suspended.

As I have said before, what was done remains the same, irrespective of the outcome of the SC/INs.
The case against the players will be decided by legalities. Whether a tribunal accepts ASADA's assertions about what its circumstantial "evidence" means, and the burden of proof required etc.
We will never know the full story unless Dank were to come clean, which he clearly won't.
The outcome of those legalities etc in no way enlarges or diminishes what Hird, Thompson, Goodwin, Reid etc have done or are responsible for.

You should judge how you view their roles now, and not let the final outcome distract you.

If the players get off, it doesn't make anyone more innocent, it just means we dodged a bullet based on the legalities. If the players are suspended, it doesn't make anyone more guilty, it just means we got done on the legalities and some tribunal's interpretation of the rubbish that ASADA are going to put up.

In my view, Hird is innocent of all wrongdoing. He has the character, loyalty and competence of a leader that is rare, and not to be discarded, and the club owes him a huge debt of gratitude for what he has borne on its behalf for the last 12 months.

There is no way I can accept that we should have some sort of clean out, for the sake of appeasing the masses, or even for the sake of making a new start, when that would mean sacrificing those who have stood tall and done so much for our club through this crisis.

FFS show some solidarity and strength of character, and support Hird, Thompson and all those at the club who have steered us through this to the best of their ability.

Question

Do you think that Hamilton/Robson/Corcoran are innocent of all wrongdoing ? For me this seems to be the nub of the question - lets forget about the collateral damage and who cares if a player or two or 34 is suspended ?

 

[rines]

We are now seeing WHY you shouldn't run your club based on what the media wants... so you come out and state that Hird 'won't be coaching'... and you think that will shut Caro up?? Yeah right.. no.. now you just have here waffling about what is happening at board meetings and how he is 'hanging on to his job by a thread'... so well done fellas.. how about your do another feel good piece with her Little.. worked so well last time.

Makes the argument stronger that we should have just stayed silent.. Hird comes straight back in.. and end the constant speculation. Club needs to grow a pair and stop pandering to the BS.

I have no idea what Bomber thinks.. but if he 'knifes' Hird and takes his job after his comments over the last two weeks.. I know many many many Bombers fans that will never forgive him. I believe Thompson has made it about as clear as he can.. Hird is coming back and that is the end of that.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

We are now seeing WHY you shouldn't run your club based on what the media wants... so you come out and state that Hird 'won't be coaching'... and you think that will shut Caro up?? Yeah right.. no.. now you just have here waffling about what is happening at board meetings and how he is 'hanging on to his job by a thread'... so well done fellas.. how about your do another feel good piece with her Little.. worked so well last time.

Makes the argument stronger that we should have just stayed silent.. Hird comes straight back in.. and end the constant speculation. Club needs to grow a pair and stop pandering to the BS.

I have no idea what Bomber thinks.. but if he 'knifes' Hird and takes his job after his comments over the last two weeks.. I know many many many Bombers fans that will never forgive him. I believe Thompson has made it about as clear as he can.. Hird is coming back and that is the end of that.

They're talking about it now.

Let them get it out of their system before the eve of the finals.

 

[2one2]

Everyone do yourself a favour and watch the explosive doorstop before mother****ing dawn where he's jet lagged, polite - still poking his head out from behind the fence to answer the journo's questions - BUT HE SAYS "DEFINITELY" IN RESPONSE TO...well, we don't even really know - probably that he's looking forward to sitting down with Bomber, maybe that he'd like to help out with round 23. That's. ****ing. It.

Damo and Caro went full ****in idiot over the word definitely?!?!? Are you mother****in kidding me?

The sad thing is that they will never be held to account - we should stop pretending that they will because the worst that will happen is a cryptic tweet from Chip, or Lloydy looking at his notes and mumbling that she's just wrong. Nothing more.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8878904

 

[yaco55]

Brilliantly said. And absolutely correct.

One of the most extraordinary things to observe, as well, is that these people seem to think Hird hasn't already suffered any kind of penalty. Let alone an absolutely major one, both personally and professionally. All for seemingly having done nothing wrong anyway. (And for putting his arse on the line for the club, like no one has probably ever done before. And, what's more, doing so on the basis of shocking advice from the club in any case!!)

Gobsmacking.

You and others seem to be obsessed with Hird - How about others like Hamilton, Robson etc. It's like the club is called Essenhird.

 

[yaco55]

end of careers say what!?!?!

And I doubt that if a player gets a two year suspension that he will return to Essendon.

 

[yaco55]

There is no way known any Essendon player will be banned. Absolutely no way. This will fizzle out with a whimper, not end with a bang. I'm not sure how this talk of 2 year bans and Infraction notices has crept back in to the possible scenarios but it is not going to happen.

My belief is that no players will ultimately receive bans but if the case goes beyond the Fedaral Court the club will be up for another round of massive legal fees. I find it disappointing that posters seem unconcerned about this issue - It's liek they live in a fantasy world.

 

[yaco55]

And Hird is the "part" (if you want to put it that way) who has already been given a suspension. Others haven't received one. My comments above singled out Hird precisely on that basis - and I'm really not sure how that's not bleedingly obvious, to be honest.



There are numerous posts on here that would have you believe he still potentially needs to take a personal whack for something many of us would argue that he's minimally responsible for, at worst ie effectively disregarding the point that he's already copped a major penalty that he shouldn't have.

I might be getting you confused with somebody else as I've got a poor connection ATM and can't be bothered trawling through the thread. But I'm pretty sure it was actually you who said something like "the club will have no credibility if the players are sidelined while the coaches hang around". Well, sorry, but in case you hadn't noticed, our senior coach has already been sidelined while all the players and other coaches have 'hung around'.

You forgot about Corcoran, Thompson who got fined, and Dr Reid who fought his proposed suspension. A dose of reality - There is no way that the AFL will allow Hird to coach if players are suspended - And the club would have similar in his contract.

You are all about Hird coping a whack - How much money has the club spent defending the supplements program - Which is still ongoing - I reckon the club has copped a bigger whack - And this is not considering the players - But they don't count !

 

[yaco55]

You honestly think ASADA would leak their entire player briefs? Really?

Why would they even contemplate that?

ASADA's case is far from watertight - Why would the Justice reviewing the case ask ASADA to get affidavits ? I suspect ASADA's case is weak and flimsy, but the major irritation is that the club has to spend big money on legal fees.

 

[Duckworth]

Why do I watch Footy Classified...

 

[caboose]

You and others seem to be obsessed with Hird - How about others like Hamilton, Robson etc. It's like the club is called Essenhird.

Give me a break.

After ALL the garbage you've written in this thread (for which I don't think I've personally criticised you once, as it happens), you attack me personally because I happen to like Hird? And because I think he's been badly maligned and scapegoated? And because I happen to believe in the tradition, unfortunately long ago discarded and trashed in this saga, of 'innocent until proven guilty'?

Seriously. Pull your head in. (And that's as respectfully as I can put it.)

 

[the PILL]

Caro needs to cleanse her soul... There is not enough room in Hell for that woman and the devil...

Now the board is spliting ... Turn it up...!

 

[yaco55]

It's nowhere near "as simple as that".

The bolded part - you have exaggerated the argument to the nth degree to try to make your point somehow convincing.
You've gone from participating in an argument where some posters said if any player is suspended, the whole (or in some cases, not all) the football dept should be sacked,
to
your "if" statement above.

Very different. Stick to the subject if you are going to argue the point.

You are naive if you think that the truth is somehow going to emerge from the mists as soon as prosecutions are mounted. Your statement that "if it is found that Dank gave the players a saline solution......etc" seems to indicate you are hoping that someone is going to lay out what actually happened.
Dream on.
At the end of any prosecution, no matter what the outcome, we are all going to be still arguing and speculating about what really happened. Maybe Dank used Thymomodulin. Maybe he never found out that WADA had added TB4 to its banned list until it was too late, for reasons that WADA or ASADA failed to list it, or that he was negligent. Maybe it was all a fraud on the club and the players never got what Dank obtained. Maybe this, maybe that......lots of maybes. Very few known definites.

It is never going to be "that simple".
Unless there is a smoking gun, the players, if they are suspended, will have been outed on a whole lot of maybes. Even if there is a smoking gun, there will not be any clear picture of the extent to which Dank & Robinson, alone, are responsible, and we are still going to have enormous scope to argue the extent of responsibility of others like Hird.

Can I get this clear - Players get suspended but Hird remains as a coach ? Yes or No ?

 

[yaco55]

bit like what Gold Coast and Melbourne allowed and the other 11 clubs who had little idea what was going on? Bit like how the AFL wasnt happy with the program at the EFC but allowed it to continue and conduct specific testing and scrutiny? YEah alot of things dont add here.

Can you find out if the AFL/ASADA target tested players from Melbourne and the GC ? And whether samples were sent off to Germany ?

 

[2one2]

And there we go. Lloydy got stunned, filled his pants and Caro went full ****in putrid mole on him