Coaching Staff Senior Coach: John Worsfold - Thank you John

[Eleven 38]

We were in a no win situation really. If they went through a proper process and Worsfold got the job they'd cry sham process. If we just appointed Worsfold with no process they cry "the club who got fined for governance doesn't even have a process to select a coach..

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Pretty awkward for Malthouse

I still think Carlton and Malthouses issues were that of horrific list management. They continually shipped quality and brought in shite such as Dale Thomas and Liam Jones.

I'm confident (Cooney aside, which ranks as one of the single worst trades in history) we can avoid that and are on the right track. If we clean out more cloggers this year we definitely will be.

 

[Phone]

We were in a no win situation really. If they went through a proper process and Worsfold got the job they'd cry sham process. If we just appointed Worsfold with no process they cry "the club who got fined for governance doesn't even have a process to select a coach..

If the process didn't involve begging Worsfold to apply who knows...

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Which is what exactly??

Roos job is clearly to completely turn over a list that was congenitally ****ed.

It's a hard process and he's done ok.

They've done 10+ list changes the last two years and will again this year. By the time he hands over to Goodwin in 2017 there'll be next to zero players left from when the started.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

The process is a matter of due diligence to make sure that the 'target' is indeed the best person for the job, so that we don't end up with someone like Mick Malthouse when we could have had Luke Beveridge if we'd done our due diligence through an interview process.

Sorry but Rubbish. Carltons problem wasnt the fact Malthouse couldnt coach, Carltons issue was over exaggerating where its list was at and making bad drafting/recruiting decisions which happened before and during Malthouse reign.

As i have said before Leigh Matthews at lions, Blight at Crowes, Roos at Swans, Choco at Port didnt go through processes and ended up ok, even Ross Lyon was head hunted by Freo.

on the other hand Mark Neeld, Scott Watters, went through club processes????

 

[The Bomb]

Roos job is clearly to completely turn over a list that was congenitally stuffed.

It's a hard process and he's done ok.

They've done 10+ list changes the last two years and will again this year. By the time he hands over to Goodwin in 2017 there'll be next to zero players left from when the started.

People forget Sheedy failed going through the process at Melboure, but developed GWS beautifully.

 

[ghostdog]

Sorry but Rubbish. Carltons problem wasnt the fact Malthouse couldnt coach, Carltons issue was over exaggerating where its list was at and making bad drafting/recruiting decisions which happened before and during Malthouse reign.

As i have said before Leigh Matthews at lions, Blight at Crowes, Roos at Swans, Choco at Port didnt go through processes and ended up ok, even Ross Lyon was head hunted by Freo.

on the other hand Mark Neeld, Scott Watters, went through club processes????

So because other footy clubs who didn't have a fair dinkum process went on to win flags with a head hunted coach, we should too.
Why bother interviewing the best candidates available to see what they understand about our list and the context of EFC's current position?
Why should we bother asking them about the state of the game and strategic thinking in a few game scenarios, or how we'd line up against this team or that team?
So long as their name has been up in lights before and they've won a flag, a decade ago, who cares about process?
Due diligence is strictly for chumps because you don't find out anything?

It's a bit of no brainer.

 

[Eleven 38]

If the process didn't involve begging Worsfold to apply who knows...

That's an assumption. We don't know what was said in the meeting.

 

[Jobe Watson]

So because other footy clubs who didn't have a fair dinkum process went on to win flags with a head hunted coach, we should too.
Why bother interviewing the best candidates available to see what they understand about our list and the context of EFC's current position?
Why should we bother asking them about the state of the game and strategic thinking in a few game scenarios, or how we'd line up against this team or that team?
So long as their name has been up in lights before and they've won a flag, a decade ago, who cares about process?
Due diligence is strictly for chumps because you don't find out anything?

It's a bit of no brainer.

Don't worry about it.

We'll just keep pissing off prospective coaches and lowering our league wide respect because we're Essendon and we do what we want and we send private jets with our captain and vice captain just to ask a coach to "apply".

5 different coaches in 5 years. Our processes or lack thereof have worked perfectly so far.

 

[Darealrath]

Is anyone else actually applying? I suspect the industry knows Worsfold has the job so I doubt we're wasting anyone's time.

 

[srobbo]

Roos job is clearly to completely turn over a list that was congenitally stuffed.

It's a hard process and he's done ok.

They've done 10+ list changes the last two years and will again this year. By the time he hands over to Goodwin in 2017 there'll be next to zero players left from when the started.

Please!

So you're telling me MFC's only expectations were to have him turn over a list that blind man freddy could've achieved. He had no choice but to!

However lets just piss 3 years down the drain culling a list that any half respecting coach would've done anyway & barely improve the brand of footy while we're at it.

His lame explanation's of Melbourne's plight this year smack of a bloke with no answers.

Epic Fail!!

 

[Phone]

That's an assumption. We don't know what was said in the meeting.

Putting the CEO, Prez, Captain and VC on a plane solely to attend a meeting with Worsfold said it all. That says you're the man. And look, I don't mind that, but then don't go on about how he's still totally gonna go through the process/panel.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Please!

So your telling me MFC's only expectations were to have him turn over a list that blind man freddy could've achieved. He had no choice but to!

However lets just piss 3 years down the drain culling a list that any half respecting coach would've done anyway & barely improve the brand of footy while we're at it.

His lame explanation's of Melbourne's plight this year smack of a bloke with no answers.

Epic Fail!!

So you don't think the way Melbourne play footy has improved significantly?

Lol ok

 

[srobbo]

So you don't think the way Melbourne play footy has improved significantly?

Lol ok

He's taught them to put numbers behind the ball to stop opponents scoring as heavily, with absolutely no emphasis on how to score themselves.

If you call that significant improvement you're easily pleased. I know plenty of died in the wool dees supporters who aren't.

 

[Bombermania]

Paul Roos had a couple of years to decompress & look how that's turned out so far.

Just saying.

To be fair to Roos, that comes back to the playing personnel, give him our list and we would be pretty competitive, Melbourne were in a position to win up to seven or eight games this season but let themselves down.

 

[Bombermania]

He's taught them to put numbers behind the ball to stop opponents scoring as heavily, with absolutely no emphasis on how to score themselves.

If you call that significant improvement you're easily pleased. I know plenty of died in the wool dees supporters who aren't.

Well yeah, they have a pretty poor forward line, Hogan will be something in a few seasons but in the meantime they will struggle to score.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

He's taught them to put numbers behind the ball to stop opponents scoring as heavily, with absolutely no emphasis on how to score themselves.

If you call that significant improvement you're easily pleased. I know plenty of died in the wool dees supporters who aren't.

Those dyed in the wool supporters were probably happier with the late Dean Bailey's 50-point win one week, 100-point loss the next approach.

I'll give you a spoiler for the future of the MFC: what Roos is doing is better.

 

[Doss]

Anyone who sat through what we did to Melbourne in Round 2, 2013 and then looks at today's product, with the many huge flaws it still undoubtedly has, would acknowledge they've headed in the right direction.

Mind you, the only direction from there was up, but at least there is a discernible spirit there now. The Neeld model had less volume than a ghost.

 

[Stopher]

That was the only time I ever left a game feeling sorry for opposition supporters.

 

[Toohey776]

I wonder what Little, Heppel, Watson and cambell told John Worsfold in order to convince him to apply for the job?
Didnt he rule out senior coaching earlier in the year?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Anyone who sat through what we did to Melbourne in Round 2, 2013 and then looks at today's product, with the many huge flaws it still undoubtedly has, would acknowledge they've headed in the right direction.

Mind you, the only direction from there was up, but at least there is a discernible spirit there now. The Neeld model had less volume than a ghost.

There's now spirit, pride, standards, and Jesse Hogan. 4 things that weren't there previously, and 4 keys to premiership success.

 

[lenny2013]

Please!

So you're telling me MFC's only expectations were to have him turn over a list that blind man freddy could've achieved. He had no choice but to!

However lets just piss 3 years down the drain culling a list that any half respecting coach would've done anyway & barely improve the brand of footy while we're at it.

His lame explanation's of Melbourne's plight this year smack of a bloke with no answers.

Epic Fail!!

Nek minit Goodwin will inherit a Paul Roo's list on the rise in 2017, and lead them to finals and will be lauded as a super coach.

The MFC rebuild was always going to take 4 or 5 years.

 

[Marley10]

I wonder what Little, Heppel, Watson and cambell told John Worsfold in order to convince him to apply for the job?
Didnt he rule out senior coaching earlier in the year?

I'm not $ure. $eem$ like a $ecret.

 

[Marley10]

We have a premiership winning coach as a candidate and the list he oversaw is in a prelim at the moment. Seems alright with me.

Adelaide did pretty good after he came as well.

I just hope that he doesn't say we have a team that can contend. I dislike it when coaches overrate their list. That's our job.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

So because other footy clubs who didn't have a fair dinkum process went on to win flags with a head hunted coach, we should too.
Why bother interviewing the best candidates available to see what they understand about our list and the context of EFC's current position?
Why should we bother asking them about the state of the game and strategic thinking in a few game scenarios, or how we'd line up against this team or that team?
So long as their name has been up in lights before and they've won a flag, a decade ago, who cares about process?
Due diligence is strictly for chumps because you don't find out anything?

It's a bit of no brainer.

well the other flip of the coin to that argument is 'so because carlton followed a process you want us to copy them'?