Social Religion, Politics and absolutely nothing to do with footy

[FredLeDeux]

It's The Lord's Day, if you don't get down to My House and start worshipping Me, you will all be smited.

Sent from My Royal Telephone using The Finger of God.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Oh, and just for the record Baby Duck...

"Always found it interesting that atheists demand empirical evidence for a deity they already acknowledge is non-material."

I demand empirical evidence for a deity that doesn't exist, because emperical evidence doesn't exist to prove that there is a deity.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Precisely. Much like Russell's Flying Teapot - there's no way to see it, but I know, I just know, that it's there.

Inside a flesh-and-bone box called Man there exists a God. Simultaneously no God exists. The proof won't come until the box is opened and, of course, Man dies.

Schrodinger's God?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I have a friend who's an fwit and claims he's apart of the darkness and is immortal - how do i wake that idiot up to reality

Why does it matter what he believes? Is it effecting you? No. Everyone is different. Who actually cares. Respect peoples beliefs. And worry about yourself instead of others.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Inside a flesh-and-bone box called Man there exists a God. Simultaneously no God exists. The proof won't come until the box is opened and, of course, Man dies.

Schrodinger's God?

Unless, of course, it was Wigner's Friend who opened the box.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Unless, of course, it was Wigner's Friend who opened the box.

So serial killers, as box-openers by trade, are those closest to God? Can we trust these conscious observers?

 

[FredLeDeux]

So serial killers, as box-openers by trade, are those closest to God? Can we trust these conscious observers?

No, it's another infinite recursion, just like the Creator God. So they are God-like, in that sense.

 

[Whit3y]

this thread is about religion isnt it?

needs more talk about ablett snr

 

[you pick one]

So whats religion got to do with our next premiership?????

I don't know but I promised the greater being just about everything from around 1970 to 2007,of cause I didn't pay up.

 

[dazbroncos]

Moved to Scratching post…

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forums/the-scratching-post.224/

Go Catters

 

[FredLeDeux]

Why does it matter what he believes? Is it effecting you? No. Everyone is different. Who actually cares. Respect peoples beliefs. And worry about yourself instead of others.

In a free society
- everybody is entitled to have others respect their right to their beliefs
- everybody else is entitled to disrespect and criticise the beliefs themselves.

The 2nd proposition is automatically implied by the 1st.

 

[JUBJUB]

this thread is about religion isnt it?

needs more talk about ablett snr

Alex Rance likes this thread

 

[Partridge]

It's The Lord's Day, if you don't get down to My House and start worshipping Me, you will all be smited.

Sent from My Royal Telephone using The Finger of God.

As George Carlin once observed "Will he strike me down? He doesn't dare."

 

[Partridge]

this thread is about religion isnt it?

needs more talk about ablett snr

Probably.

If I had the chance to speak to him again, I'd sit cross legged if he talked footy. If he started offering half-baked apologetics, the discussion might be more robust.

 

[Baby Duck]

Perhaps, perhaps not. But I believe that is highlights an underlying flaw in the whole premise of a god.

How so? God being a transcendent being that has both masculine and feminine qualities, it is to man and it's anthropomorphising tendencies that you should search for the flaw.

 

[Strangled Cat]

How so? God being a transcendent being that has both masculine and feminine qualities, it is to man and it's anthropomorphising tendencies that you should search for the flaw.

I'll just ask you a straight up question: What makes you believe that god exist? Assuming that you are Christian, I don't need the history lesson, I just would like a straight answer. Why are you religious and what makes you believe that your religion and god is the correct one out of all of the other religions out there?

 

[Baby Duck]

Oh, and just for the record Baby Duck...

"Always found it interesting that atheists demand empirical evidence for a deity they already acknowledge is non-material."

I demand empirical evidence for a deity that doesn't exist, because emperical evidence doesn't exist to prove that there is a deity.

Then why waste your time talking about something you don't believe is real?

 

[Baby Duck]

I'll just ask you a straight up question: What makes you believe that god exist? Assuming that you are Christian, I don't need the history lesson, I just would like a straight answer. Why are you religious and what makes you believe that your religion and god is the correct one out of all of the other religions out there?

Simply stated, I see perfect order and obvious intelligence in nature. Believing that the phenomenal world arose completely by random, chaotic chance is totally irrationally to me, and just plain intellectually dishonest. You correctly assumed I am Christian, but I am far from orthodox. I believe all paths lead up the mountain in their own unique way, and that it is to the detriment of the individual to waste their time circling the mountain telling everyone they are wrong.

 

[Lana]

Simply stated, I see perfect order and obvious intelligence in nature. Believing that the phenomenal world arose completely by random, chaotic chance is totally irrationally to me, and just plain intellectually dishonest. You correctly assumed I am Christian, but I am far from orthodox. I believe all paths lead up the mountain in their own unique way, and that it is to the detriment of the individual to waste their time circling the mountain telling everyone they are wrong.

Accepting all of that, the next question is simple, why Jesus?

 

[Strangled Cat]

Then why waste your time talking about something you don't believe is real?

I'm confronted with other's beliefs about things that aren't real. When those beliefs are ever-present and pervasive in society, why would I not concern myself with them? You need only look to the middle east to see why the belief in a creator without verifiable evidence is a disaster waiting to happen. But it's a disaster that's been going on for thousands of years, so there's really nothing new to see here.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Simply stated, I see perfect order and obvious intelligence in nature. Believing that the phenomenal world arose completely by random, chaotic chance is totally irrationally to me, and just plain intellectually dishonest. You correctly assumed I am Christian, but I am far from orthodox. I believe all paths lead up the mountain in their own unique way, and that it is to the detriment of the individual to waste their time circling the mountain telling everyone they are wrong.

Yet none of those things are relevant when we apply it to a designer, who just so happens to have existed for an eternity, before one day deciding to create the world in seven days?

 

[Baby Duck]

Accepting all of that, the next question is simple, why Jesus?

He exemplifies what we should all strive for.

 

[Baby Duck]

Yet none of those things are relevant when we apply it to a designer, who just happens to exist for an eternity, before one day deciding to create the world in seven days?

I'm not being condescending, but judging by that statement I don't think you have grasped eternity, or existence outside the restrictions of time and space.
I'm more of the persuasion that the days represent periods of time btw.

 

[Strangled Cat]

He exemplifies what we should all strive for.

I've posed the question many times. Why do we need to derive our morality from religion? There's many people out there who exemplify what we should all strive for, but should we worship them? Why does god even want to be worshiped, anyway? To me, seeking worship is vain, and vanity is a form of pride, and pride which we all know is one of the seven deadly sins.

 

[Galaxy]

I donut remember making this fred.